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      Spoiler for Version 0.2:
      Last edited by Shift; 11-11-2008 at 12:05 AM.

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      Looks great! I was going to say that you should write something about sleepwalking, but then you went and did it. Two thumbs up

      Quote Originally Posted by Shift View Post
      Looks great! I was going to say that you should write something about sleepwalking, but then you went and did it. Two thumbs up
      Hmm I'm thinking, newbies to this post probably aren't going to scroll down for the updated one. Would you like me to post a little note and a link to the updated part?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Shift View Post
      Hmm I'm thinking, newbies to this post probably aren't going to scroll down for the updated one. Would you like me to post a little note and a link to the updated part?
      Yes, if you think that would be helpful. But if you are one of those people with special, magical powers here on DV, the best thing would be to actually replace the original article with the updated version (as I intended to do via editing).

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      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      Yes, if you think that would be helpful. But if you are one of those people with special, magical powers here on DV, the best thing would be to actually replace the original article with the updated version (as I intended to do via editing).
      Ah, I assumed that since you just posted it you didn't want me to do that

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shift View Post
      Ah, I assumed that since you just posted it you didn't want me to do that
      Well, I first tried to PM it to you, but the length exceeded a 25000 character limit, so my only option was to post it.

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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqlhkPkpNMM

      Link to extract form SALTCUBE video on Sleep Paralysis.
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      So, what you're trying to say is that most of the members are lieing!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sanquis View Post
      So, what you're trying to say is that most of the members are lieing!
      Not lying, just misinformed. There is a sleep disorder, then there are some common hallucinations that most people experience while falling asleep.

      It's like calling schizophrenia artistic inspiration. You may get inspired by the hallucinations and paranoia you get from the disorder, and you may just get inspiration all on your own, but being inspired in and of itself doesn't give you schizophrenia. Not just that, but its stupid for people to wander around claiming to have a disorder when all they can do is paint canvasses. It gets much more complicated because, say, you can only be inspired at 3 in the morning while you tend to experience schizophrenic 'attacks' of hallucinations at 7 in the morning that may or may not inspire you.

      I don't know that's a bad analogy. I was going somewhere with it and then I got bored
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      Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqlhkPkpNMM

      Link to extract form SALTCUBE video on Sleep Paralysis.
      Strange that they would claim that you need SP to have an OBE, because a study based on 400 cases of OBE found that this was only rarely the case:

      "Most of Green's cases occurred to people whose physical body was lying down at the time (75%). A further 18% were sitting and the rest were walking, standing or were 'indeterminate.' In fact it seemed that muscular relaxation was an essential part of many people's experience. Just a few found that their body was paralyzed. A feeling of paralysis was found to be only rarely a prelude to an OBE."

      Out of Body Experience FAQ discussing
      Green, C., Out-of-the-body Experiences, London: Hamish Hamilton, 1968.

      PS: I've had that "lead blanket" feeling many times, but always when I try to move I find that I'm able to, so this does not mean that you're paralyzed.

      Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
      Strange that you would claim I said you "need" SP to have an OBE/Lucid Dream.
      Given that I didn't.
      I never said you claimed that, but the video you referred to pretty much implied it.

      As to the lead blankey feeling, the saltcube video describes this as "partial sleep paralysis".
      There ain't no such thing as "partial sleep paralysis", neither in the sense of the disorder or REM atonia, because that would be self-contradictory; if you can move you are in no way paralyzed. As I wrote in my article this is simply reduced muscle tone, and it happens naturally when you fall asleep.

      Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
      Thats pretty clear. SP=Where REM Atonia takes place in the waking state.
      So far so good.

      On that basis, I'm going we have to conclude that Sleep Paralysis is exactly the right term to use to describe the stage which can be reached during a WILD.
      No, that does not make much sense, because then you would have to be saying that WILDs are taking place in the awake state.

      Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
      See.
      Moonshine, when I'm talking to you I don't address you in the third person plural. The word "they" clearly refers to the people who made the Saltcube video.

      This is a very common phenomenon (even experienced by yourself also it seems).
      But I've never had any problems moving when I get the lead blanket feeling.

      Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
      So you now agree that Sleep Paralysis can legitimately be used to describe Rem Atonia whilst the mind is awake.
      Phew!
      I now agree? Isn't this exactly what it says in note 3 in the article I wrote?

      LOL. No. Read my statement.
      Ok, let's look at it again: "On that basis, it seems conclusive that Sleep Paralysis is exactly the right term to use to describe the stage which can be reached during a WILD."

      So your own statements say:
      • SP is REM atonia experienced while awake
      • SP describes a stage reached during a WILD

      From these statements I draw the conclusion that you you think it's possible to be awake during a WILD.
      Last edited by Howie; 12-12-2008 at 12:57 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      Moonshine, when I'm talking to you I don't address you in the third person plural. The word "they" clearly refers to the people who made the Saltcube video.
      Fair nuff. My bad.

      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      But I've never had any problems moving when I get the lead blanket feeling.
      Hence, the "partial" no?

      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      I now agree? Isn't this exactly what it says in note 3 in the article I wrote?
      Ah right. Sorry about the misunderstanding, given some of the other comments I thought we were still discussing whether or not
      Sleep Paralysis was acceptable terminology. Something which you originally disputed.

      http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=67632

      Again my bad. Glad we're singing from the same hymn sheet.
      You might want to bring Shift up to speed though.


      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      I now agree? Isn't this exactly
      Ok, let's look at it again: "On that basis, it seems conclusive that Sleep Paralysis is exactly the right term to use to describe the stage which can be reached during a WILD."

      So your own statements say:
      • SP is REM atonia experienced while awake
      • SP describes a stage reached during a WILD

      From these statements I draw the conclusion that you you think it's possible to be awake during a WILD.
      How about we call it a wild attempt then?
      Last edited by Howie; 12-12-2008 at 12:52 AM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
      Hence, the "partial" no?
      No. After the lead blanket feeling sets in, when I try to move I can do it just as easily as when I'm fully awake. Apparently this was also the experience of xxstimpzxx in this thread that you may recall. He says: "a few times ive felt as if i was coverd by a metal blanket, and thought i had made it but when i tried to move my arm it instantly felt normal". That's exactly what it's like.

      Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
      How about we call it a wild attempt then?
      Ok, but then you're back to things that I already wrote about in my article. I already said that you can use SP (the disorder) to initiate WILDs.
      Last edited by Howie; 12-12-2008 at 12:52 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      Ok, but then you're back to things that I already wrote about in my article. I already said that you can use SP (the disorder) to initiate WILDs.
      SP doesn't have to be a disorder though.

      I realise I'm arguing over nothing here.
      But when in rome.

      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      No. After the lead blanket feeling sets in, when I try to move I can do it just as easily as when I'm fully awake. Apparently this was also the experience of xxstimpzxx in this thread that you may recall. He says: "a few times ive felt as if i was coverd by a metal blanket, and thought i had made it but when i tried to move my arm it instantly felt normal". That's exactly what it's like.
      Well I guess this isn't the same as my experience, or that described by the salt cube video, where you can move but its hard work and sluggish.
      Last edited by Howie; 12-12-2008 at 12:53 AM.
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      Great post, although I haven't read it all, it appears to be very imformative and literate. Also, there are various negatives that may occur throughout ones life that can increase the odds of sleeping paralysis, not that any of them are wishful enough; for any of them to be valuable enough to be induced in order to achieve sleeping paralysis and then a lucid dream, depression can influence it effectively. Sleeping paralysis still occurs a lot to me, not most recently, but throughout this year, it has occurred a lot of times in contrast to previous years; sleeping paralysis had started back in February 2006 for myself. My initial speculation over the experience was to be the fact that it was something of which was spiritual, perhaps a ghost hauting me or something as such. However, my perception changed when I understood more of sleep psychology. Also, I've noticed for one thing to occur whilst in a sleeping paralysis, or mostly upon, is the lack of memory - more recently, I would find it difficult to remember the sleep paralysis, as well as the lack of lucidity. Although I'd know it wasn't real, I still wouldn't be able to eliminate any auditory, sensory or visual hallucinations.

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