Last stage of a Wild

[exileblue]

Sorry if I ask some stupid things in here, but I took a few month break of LD and forgot some stuff about Wilds, but I try to skip the stupid parts. So I tried to Wild for more than a year and I got very far... SP starts after a few minutes now and after an hour or so I loose every external feeling, sometimes I have the roller coaster-feeling and such, but I always stop at this point. I even asked this questions a few times in other forums, but still nothing. Now with my new collected motivation I want to overcome this border to my own dream land. Which mental images or tricks do you know, that could help me in my situation?

[adraw]

It depends, when you are performing experiments. If you are performing them at night, everything you have to do is just wait and relax physically and mentally. It seems you mastered physical relaxations, so the second part would be mental relaxation.

[exileblue]

Ok, I thought that I had a calm mind most of the time, but I will try to impove it.

[DreamChaser]

Sorry if I ask some stupid things in here, but I took a few month break of LD and forgot some stuff about Wilds, but I try to skip the stupid parts. So I tried to Wild for more than a year and I got very far... SP starts after a few minutes now and after an hour or so I loose every external feeling, sometimes I have the roller coaster-feeling and such, but I always stop at this point. I even asked this questions a few times in other forums, but still nothing. Now with my new collected motivation I want to overcome this border to my own dream land. Which mental images or tricks do you know, that could help me in my situation? Again, IMO SP isn't the wave feeling and numbness in your muscles. It may be leading to SP but not SP. I get those feelings most nights before bed. SP to me is a voilent grabbing and taughtness occuring in your body and loud noises( like banging on your wall) and/or screeches. Its like someone is shocking you and all your muscles are contracting. It is cool to just let it happen if you can and don't fight it if you can help it. The less you fight it the quicker it seems to subside and often leads to a false awakening, but nearly always a LD of some sort. Only time it didn't for me was the first time when I thought someone had come in and attacked me. I fought it and after like 30 secs of fighting the paralasis, woke and broke free. Now I am trying to get it back most mornings. IMO.

[adraw]

Again, IMO SP isn't the wave feeling and numbness in your muscles. It may be leading to SP but not SP. I get those feelings most nights before bed. SP to me is a voilent grabbing and taughtness occuring in your body and loud noises( like banging on your wall) and/or screeches. Its like someone is shocking you and all your muscles are contracting. It is cool to just let it happen if you can and don't fight it if you can help it. The less you fight it the quicker it seems to subside and often leads to a false awakening, but nearly always a LD of some sort. Only time it didn't for me was the first time when I thought someone had come in and attacked me. I fought it and after like 30 secs of fighting the paralasis, woke and broke free. Now I am trying to get it back most mornings. IMO. Exactly the same for me. Really SP is something really different. I couldnt understand it before I got it. And really the numbness you get at the evening is nothing compared to real SP episode. You really feel like beeing closed in your body and there is someone present in your room. Everything seems dark and you are feeling natural fear. I have had it three times in my life and it was this month and really before i thought i am near to SP when i feel the numbness. Wrong. It is different state. It is much deeper. And much more strange . I am just to enter dream from this state, becouse every three times it was so strange and I gave up. I am yet to face my fear

[roland3tr]

Thats what I have been explaining all the time. There has become a common thought in the forum that SP is relaxation and numbness and some HI. The thing they describe happens when you go to bed, I mean it always happens. But SP happens on the really thin line between consciousness and unconsciousness. Like you said it is a different state. I mean people are talking about swallowing problems during SP or breathing ?? As far as I've known and exprienced SP is short and you can't feel a damn thing or move but lots of vibrations, levitating feeling and sounds etc. depends on the people. Most people complain about not achieving anything after SP like " ...then I couldn't feel my body, itchy feeling, saw some HI, got SP but then what? nothing happens ? " Then we advise to visualize. Then again nothing happens. Well I think thats again because the thing they are expriencing is not SP.

[Dizko]

Thats what I have been explaining all the time. There has become a common thought in the forum that SP is relaxation and numbness and some HI. The thing they describe happens when you go to bed, I mean it always happens. But SP happens on the really thin line between consciousness and unconsciousness. Like you said it is a different state. I mean people are talking about swallowing problems during SP or breathing ?? As far as I've known and exprienced SP is short and you can't feel a damn thing or move but lots of vibrations, levitating feeling and sounds etc. depends on the people. Most people complain about not achieving anything after SP like " ...then I couldn't feel my body, itchy feeling, saw some HI, got SP but then what? nothing happens ? " Then we advise to visualize. Then again nothing happens. Well I think thats again because the thing they are expriencing is not SP. Agreed.

[moonshine]

Thats what I have been explaining all the time. There has become a common thought in the forum that SP is relaxation and numbness and some HI. The thing they describe happens when you go to bed, I mean it always happens. But SP happens on the really thin line between consciousness and unconsciousness. Like you said it is a different state. I mean people are talking about swallowing problems during SP or breathing ?? As far as I've known and exprienced SP is short and you can't feel a damn thing or move but lots of vibrations, levitating feeling and sounds etc. depends on the people. Most people complain about not achieving anything after SP like " ...then I couldn't feel my body, itchy feeling, saw some HI, got SP but then what? nothing happens ? " Then we advise to visualize. Then again nothing happens. Well I think thats again because the thing they are expriencing is not SP. I think you are right in that SP is a very particular and hard to miss feeling. But there does seem to be a process which leads up to SP. First there's minor pins and needles, probably due to low circulation in arms and legs we get calmer and quieter. Then comes the warm prickly wave, which is most definitely not pins and needles. Come up from feet to head. I've felt this before. My breathing seemed to get really difficult. I felt a pressure in my head. It was...well, it was pretty wild. I think its fair to describe the wave as the start of SP. No doubt after this comes SP proper. But In my case I accidentally swallowed as my head throbbed and it went away.

[roland3tr]

That is the thing, your head can't throb (at least physically) because you cannot move in SP Thats why I'm telling that it is something else.

[exileblue]

I often heard, that one can move in SP... it's just really hard. I never, not even ones had SP were I could't move if I wanted to. Maybe it wasn't really SP, but then I have no idea how to reach it.

[adraw]

Thats really interesting. Process, which leads to sleep paralysis. I experimented a lot with relaxation with mind taming, and never got into state of SP which was so deep as sleep paralysis just before you wake up (Hypnopompic one). In Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics, I found out, that he mentions something similar in feelings to SP episode, and it is named as term: Deep trance. As he mentions, its not something, what cannot be achieved easily...You need to be pretty skillful in terms of physical and mental relaxation. Maybe I have yet to achieve that state from waking one. Still at least I know, where I am heading About the movement in sleep paralysis... According to my observations. It really felt like you are moving some part of the body, but suddenly you realise, its only your dream body, and you have to start from the beginning. It feels so repetitive sometimes. Really strange feeling. If you try to open your eyes. They automatically tend to close again. Not to mention, that you see some irrational images. You may see another room, that you are currently at... Really as if you were in the middle of dream.

[roland3tr]

The real question is how to induce SP (the one we are talking about) ? I think it is not very possible. It only happens to me when I just wake up and when I wake up 4 hours later and get back to bed 3 min later after I am awake. But the most strong ones always happen just after I wake up.

[adraw]

Thats exactly the question. I just start a new thread

[DreamChaser]

The real question is how to induce SP (the one we are talking about) ? I think it is not very possible. It only happens to me when I just wake up and when I wake up 4 hours later and get back to bed 3 min later after I am awake. But the most strong ones always happen just after I wake up. Ditto, and I find I false-waken in my room in daylight during and after real SP. When I have an eye mask on. It seems to happen when overheated too. Turn over on back (not normal position) and Wham!

[adraw]

Ditto, and I find I false-waken in my room in daylight during and after real SP. When I have an eye mask on. It seems to happen when overheated too. Turn over on back (not normal position) and Wham! Explain... Or send a link

[DreamChaser]

Thats really interesting. Process, which leads to sleep paralysis. I experimented a lot with relaxation with mind taming, and never got into state of SP which was so deep as sleep paralysis just before you wake up (Hypnopompic one). In Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics, I found out, that he mentions something similar in feelings to SP episode, and it is named as term: Deep trance. As he mentions, its not something, what cannot be achieved easily...You need to be pretty skillful in terms of physical and mental relaxation. Maybe I have yet to achieve that state from waking one. Still at least I know, where I am heading About the movement in sleep paralysis... According to my observations. It really felt like you are moving some part of the body, but suddenly you realise, its only your dream body, and you have to start from the beginning. It feels so repetitive sometimes. Really strange feeling. If you try to open your eyes. They automatically tend to close again. Not to mention, that you see some irrational images. You may see another room, that you are currently at... Really as if you were in the middle of dream. Ditto, and I find I false-waken in my room in daylight during and after real SP. When I have an eye mask on. It seems to happen when overheated too. Turn over on back (not normal position) and Wham! Explain... Or send a link What don't you get. I get the same experience as you and roland. I false-awaken tho in my room in daylight when I have a eye mask on (Its not real) Also, When I get too hot in bed, I turn over on my back and wham..I get SP. I don't understand what you don't understand.

[adraw]

I just wanted more detail on what you wrote about changing position to your back and about the overheating. Maybe it has some practical implications for me too. Otherwise I understood well. I should have used: Tell more about it, or send a link which explains this further

[DreamChaser]

I just wanted more detail on what you wrote about changing position to your back and about the overheating. Maybe it has some practical implications for me too. Otherwise I understood well. I should have used: Tell more about it, or send a link which explains this further Many people say they WILD on their back and I am yet to WILD in any other position. It is not my normal sleeping position. I often wake up hot and turn on my back and throw the covers down slightly. Within seconds, as I am still so sleepy, I go into SP. I could experimant on body heat inducing them. It is documented that fevers and colds induce LDs. Normally from fully awake I cannot WILD on my back unless tilting my head dramatically, tricking my body into thinking I am not awake. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=69535

[roland3tr]

By the way the expriences I was talking about were not FAs.

[DreamChaser]

By the way the expriences I was talking about were not FAs. The same as you as the basis, but following the SP I false awakened. People are getting so finicky these days.

[roland3tr]

The same as you as the basis, but following the SP I false awakened. People are getting so finicky these days. Sorry, I didn't see your "tho"

[DreamChaser]

Sorry, I didn't see your "tho" Np. You and Adraw have good knowledge.

[roland3tr]

Thanks

[Dizko]

Listen guys, sersiously, why dream when u can just get up and do something...Dreams are figments of imagination that your brains produces to try and get your lazy ass out of bed.. Think about it what's more productive....DREAMING ABOUT A CAT (not M-Cat, although he is the greatest man who ever lived) or getting up and washing the dishes I don't think i have to elaborate...Even my brotha for life hungrymanz will agree with me on this one Anyway, peace OUT Ya gotta go to sleep sometime...brudda.