How can a natural avoid becoming lucid every night?

My friend has a problem.

Every night she goes to sleep, she wakes up in here dreams and becomes aware of them, and it becomes a lucid dream...

This happens to her every night of the week. So i guess you can call her a natural born lucid dreamer.

However from what she has told me. Its not as restful as it is to get normal sleep.

She has trouble going to sleep, and sleeping normal sleep because everynight she wakes up in her dreams.

Would anyone know anyways to help prevent her from becoming lucid every night?

I know some of you guys here are natural lucid dreams who lucid dream every night. Any suggestions i can give my friend to help her sleep normal sleep as well?

*double post, forgive me :) *

This ain't a joke, i'm really serious.

Any advice could be helpful, feel free to post.

Just try not to be negitive.

Maybe your friend should go with the flow, you know? When she realizes that she is dreaming, she could try to just forget about it.

If resolving to have lucid dreams may work for us mere mortals who struggle to have them, resolving not to have a lucid dream before falling asleep might help your friend.
If that doesn't work, deliberately distracting herself in her LD might actually work.

That, or she could transfer some of her LDs on my Lucid Dream savings account. I'd be happy :D

It is odd that this is far from the first time I'm read something like this. First off It is something to be treasured and not just a problem, and anyway there is nothing much she could do besides go with the flow and try to kind of lose as much conscious awareness as she can, she should try to get distracted and not think internally with words I would suggest, and focus on the dream and get lost in it.

I think I'd need more info on her to really make a judgment to what the problem is. The bottem line is: being aware that you are dreaming does not create a less restful sleep. It is generally a byproduct of lucidity that will create restless sleep such as having an excessively active mind or processing powerful emotions or even perhaps triggering adrenalin rushes...

Overall, I encourage her to take a passive role in her dreams. What i've seen happen with most naturals is they tend to let the story play itself out or perhaps even (through easing your awareness) enter a semi-lucid state. I'd personally reccomend exploring this path to her.

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs.

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Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right?
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Tell her to take sleeping pills or antihistamines. Those will kill her consciousness during sleep. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Gez

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right?
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Uh, no. There are people like this.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Tell her to take sleeping pills or antihistamines. Those will kill her consciousness during sleep. Problem solved.

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I wouldn't recommend seeking a solution through chemistry. Solving it without popping pills is always better in the end.

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Originally Posted by arby

Uh, no. There are people like this.

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He was just taking a jab at Arne. It was sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs.

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Useful for YOU and your little dream-cult.

Not useful in the sense that it will help her in anyway

To the original poster, don't waste your time with this nutjob. If you need to see why, just check out some of his old threads and posts. There's a relatively new one that was closed a few days ago floating around here somewhere...

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Originally Posted by John11

He was just taking a jab at Arne. It was sarcasm.

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Oh, arne is male so I thought he wasn't talking about arne XD

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Originally Posted by Gez

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right?
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Originally Posted by arby

Uh, no. There are people like this.

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Yes there are. Also i was in love with her at one point, so i trust her pretty well, and i know shes not lieing.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Tell her to take sleeping pills or antihistamines. Those will kill her consciousness during sleep. Problem solved.

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I wouldn't recommend seeking a solution through chemistry. Solving it without popping pills is always better in the end.

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Yeah shes already taking enough meds, she doesn't need more to add on top of that.

Also yes i also believe that seeking unnatural things is not the best thing to do if there is a all - natural option. Only seek unnatural methods when no natural methods exist.... :)

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Originally Posted by Mad Stratter

Useful for YOU and your little dream-cult.

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Not useful in the sense that it will help her in anyway

To the original poster, don't waste your time with this nutjob. If you need to see why, just check out some of his old threads and posts. There's a relatively new one that was closed a few days ago floating around here somewhere...

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Yeah i don't have to. My friend really wants some help with this, however im posting for her because she didn't want to have to deal with.....People like him...

But i have no problem with it.

I will ask her to read this thread of course and see if any of this helps her or not. However please keep posting any ideas / thoughts you may have which could help her.

Id like to stress that even tho this may seem like a joke, its really not. Most of us here are doing are best to manage to lucid dream every night and it happens for her with no problem....But for her it just happens naturally. However, the grass looks greener on the other side and such of course. Just because we would all like to lucid dream every night of the week, im sure you would get tired of it after a while as well.

I guess that's the irony. Everyone who cant lucid dream every night wants to lucid dream every night, and those who can lucid dream every night don't want to lucid dream every night...

No matter what we cant be happy unless we find someway to balance things out.

So that's what i'm asking.

What can my friend do to help her balance things out. How can she not wake up and become lucid in her dreams.

She would really appreciate any help you guys can give her. Even if it seems like it wouldn't help, post it anyways, maybe it could help her even if you don't think it would....

But yes once again, i promise this ain't no lie.... She really could use the help.

I wouldn't waste my time and your time if it wasen't.

I agree with arby. Praying/meditating or repeating mantras that would reinforce the idea of getting better sleep, or dreaming non-lucidly might help. If your friend has a strong ability to use mind over matter (seems to be the case with alot of naturals), she should try to apply this idea to her desired end, like getting more restful sleep.

Also, from my experience, I find that lucidity is more easily obtained when I've already had more restful sleep earlier in the night (ie. naps, sleeping longer than usual, or waking up and deciding to sleep longer).

She could try going to bed only when her mind and body is tired, which should decrease the amount of REM sleep, and trigger her body/mind to switch to deeper sleep.

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Originally Posted by acatalephobic

I agree with arby. Praying/meditating or repeating mantras that would reinforce the idea of getting better sleep, or dreaming non-lucidly might help. If your friend has a strong ability to use mind over matter (seems to be the case with alot of naturals), she should try to apply this idea to her desired end, like getting more restful sleep.

Also, from my experience, I find that lucidity is more easily obtained when I've already had more restful sleep earlier in the night (ie. naps, sleeping longer than usual, or waking up and deciding to sleep longer).

She could try going to bed only when her mind and body is tired, which should decrease the amount of REM sleep, and trigger her body/mind to switch to deeper sleep.

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Ummmm???

Where the heck did arby talk about meditation or praying or repeating mantras?

No really, he never said nothing about that from what i just read....

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Originally Posted by Gez

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right?
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It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful.

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You don't get it, do you? She doesn't want to lucid dream every night because it's tiring. As TheMoon just explained, it might seem like a waste to you, but to her it's not.

Let me fix what you said, "I have plenty for her to do that's very useful... for me."

What's her exercise regimen like? If it's low, it may help if she increased her physical activity; more exercise tends to make you sleep much more soundly.

Also, perhaps meditation every night before bed might work? Not meditation on a particular mantra, necessarily, as acatalephobic suggested out of... somewhere... but just plain old meditation to clear her mind. If she were to just sit and clear her mind, letting all thoughts pass by until there were few, if any, left (however long that took, 20 minutes, half an hour, an hour or more...) there may not be much left for her to dream about floating around in her subconscious.

If all else fails, drugs may help... but drugs should be a last resort. If drug tests aren't an issue, I'd recommend taking a hit or two off a doobie before bed as a first course of chemical treatment; marijuana (it's medicine and it's natural) would have the fewest side effects, and seems to nearly eliminate dreaming in many people (assuming she doesn't smoke already, that is...)

Valerian and/or chamomile tea might help; both are natural and relaxing, and for myself atleast, do not increase lucid dreaming. Some people say that valerian increases LDs for them though, so this may not work.

It might help if she could provide us with a list of ideas she has already tried that have failed.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful.

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Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life.

I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.

She has slept normal sleep once in a while. But normal she wakes up and becomes lucid. Then she has to participate in her lucid dreams.

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Overall, I encourage her to take a passive role in her dreams. What i've seen happen with most naturals is they tend to let the story play itself out or perhaps even (through easing your awareness) enter a semi-lucid state. I'd personally reccomend exploring this path to her.

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Im going to tell her about this.

So rather then her trying to do anything, just let the dream happen.

I don't know if this will help her or not however. But i will let her know, and let you know.

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Originally Posted by Atrox

If resolving to have lucid dreams may work for us mere mortals who struggle to have them, resolving not to have a lucid dream before falling asleep might help your friend.
If that doesn't work, deliberately distracting herself in her LD might actually work.

That, or she could transfer some of her LDs on my Lucid Dream savings account. I'd be happy :D

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Oops. I attributed that quote wrong, I should've referred to Atrox's reply.

When he talked about "resolving not to have a lucid dream", I think of what helps me to lucid dream. I repeat amntras that encourage it, pray that I might have a meaningful dream, or meditate on the possibility that lucidity may be meaningful.

It just a way of making that mindset more possible, to encourage a desired end.

If your friend believes that she will always be lucid, and therefore lose sleep...perhaps mind-over-matter is preventing her from doing the opposite. By using the same mind-over-matter principle, maybe she could encourage herself to believe she can get restful sleep, and therefore make it a reality.

Just an idea. Sorry about the confusion.

>>Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life.
I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.<<

I'll tell you what. Have her do my task. The next time she has an LD, have her shout out as loudly as she can, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?'' (Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.)

PM me the answer that comes back to her, and we'll see what can be done from there.

Yes, it has been stated many natural or developed Lucid dreamers meditate and use their lucidity to develop themselves and become a better or broader person.
As said before she could take a passive role and watch her mind work and relax watching. She is as you say in full control.
Lastly, I have always felt energised after lucidity and so happy. It is strange she feels drained.
We dont dream all night so she should have the same time as us in non-REM sleep to rest.

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Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Lastly, I have always felt energised after lucidity and so happy. It is strange she feels drained.
We dont dream all night so she should have the same time as us in non-REM sleep to rest.

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That depends on what happens in the dream. Something happened to me once in an LD that left me wiped out and staggering around for a day and a half.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

>>Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life.
I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.<<

I'll tell you what. Have her do my task. The next time she has an LD, have her shout out as loudly as she can, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?'' (Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.)

PM me the answer that comes back to her, and we'll see what can be done from there.

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As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say....

Please stop posting... Thank you

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Originally Posted by TheMoon

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As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say....

Please stop posting... Thank you

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I'm every bit as serious as you are, and a good deal more serious than many people who post here. I can guarantee you that.

Just have her try it. There's nothing to lose from trying it.

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Originally Posted by TheMoon

*double post, forgive me :) *

This ain't a joke, i'm really serious.

Any advice could be helpful, feel free to post.

Just try not to be negitive.

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THIS WILL WORK I'M SURE OF IT :banana:

She can just take a sleeping pill, such as an over the counter tylenol pm. She will be in a much deeper sleep, and I'm sure would not go lucid most of the night.

That has already been said. And frowned upon, I think.

I'm all for the passive view idea, but see if something like this works. Since she's a natural, she should try to make the next LD she has a regular dream. It sounds like she has good control from what I read. (Of course I skimmed, though)

I don't know, but doing something like that seems like it would work to me.

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Originally Posted by TheMoon

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As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say....

Please stop posting... Thank you

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Seconded. Arne, please post helpful links or suggestions or don't post at all.

Moon, there are a lot of threads on this, though I don't have the time to dig them up. They have a lot of suggestions like working on dream control, then teleporting to a location that you find very relaxing. Maybe a bath, maybe a hammock on an tropical island, etc., and just relaxing in the dream. Have her try something like that and see if it at least makes the lucids relaxing and her feel well rested.

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Originally Posted by Shift

Seconded. Arne, please post helpful links or suggestions or don't post at all.

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May I ask you how you can be so sure that that's not going to be helpful? I know what I'm talking about with regard to that, and you don't. I'm putting it out there. I'm saying, do this and see what happens. Doesn't that strike you as pretty confident? If it doesn't, it should. If I told her to eat a breadstick before bed, I'd have to be pretty confident to post something like that, wouldn't I?

Have a look at my blog, and see whether I strike you as a fool.

And regarding antihistamines, aspirin, sleeping pills, etc. -- I've had many LDs after taking them, so if there's any useless information being offered in this thread, it's that.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

May I ask you how you can be so sure that that's not going to be helpful? I know what I'm talking about with regard to that, and you don't. I'm putting it out there. I'm saying, do this and see what happens. Doesn't that strike you as pretty confident? If it doesn't, it should. If I told her to eat a breadstick before bed, I'd have to be pretty confident to post something like that, wouldn't I?

And regarding antihistamines, aspirin, sleeping pills, etc. -- I've had many LDs aftr taking them, so if there's any useless information being offered in this thread, it's that.

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I don't now and I don't really care. What we expect to happen tends to in our lucids, so you being confident doesn't really mean anything, and on top of that lots of people post things without really considering them or knowing that they will have an effect, let alone being confident. More importantly, the original poster asked you to stop, so I am backing him up. Unless you have any helpful suggestions regarding preventing her from having lucid dreams with such frequency. You've stated your idea.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Have a look at my blog, and see whether I strike you as a fool.

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No need, I've already read your posts and made my assessments.

There were no survivors.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

>>Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life.
I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.<<

I'll tell you what. Have her do my task. The next time she has an LD, have her shout out as loudly as she can, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?'' (Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.)

PM me the answer that comes back to her, and we'll see what can be done from there.

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:yawnorama:

I read your blog.
I read it last week when it was empty.
I read it today when it had one post.

It's as egoistic as the rest of your posts here.

Of particular hilarity:

"I don’t believe that na&#239;ve people deserve to be abused."

"I won’t sell you garbage and tell you it’s gold."

"I don’t think that anyone who refuses to play the game should be punished for it."

"I’m not interested in beating anyone at anything."

"I asked a man who had served five years in prison for manslaughter what the people behind bars were like. He said, “A lot of them are OK. More than you might think. But most are born losers who think they’re hot shit. That’s usually what is it – people who can’t accept that the best thing for them would be to just put their heads down and work.”"

"...You’ll probably never see a beautiful young woman doing a dirty and low-paid job. Even if such a woman is dull, unpleasant and deranged, some man who is able to support her financially will do so. And if she owns a mirror, she knows it.

...Female intelligence levels are more clustered around the norm than male levels are, meaning that there are more very bright and very dull males than there are very bright and very dull females. This partially explains why more males than females are sitting in corporate boardrooms, and also why more males are sitting behind bars.

In a perfect world, males would be put into suspended animation between the ages of 12 and 25."

"Beware the person who claims to know how you feel about things, and who objects to your alleged feelings."

"The average person is more interested in promoting his point of view than he is in developing it. This means that he’ll do more a lot more talking than listening."

"First impressions are important -- and usually wrong. Never lock yourself into one."

"When someone who’s in charge of you tells you to do something you think is stupid, there are times when you should just shut up and do it. That’s because you have to choose your battles carefully in an organization, or you won’t thrive. Besides, if you don’t basically trust the judgment of the person in charge, you need to go elsewhere."

"Feedback is one thing, but stupid objections are another."

"It's no sin to lose a fight. But it is a sin to lose a fight, seek a rematch, and fight the same way the second time around." (ahem, arne's comments in this thread...)

".Many people's preferred method of debate is just to stake out a position and adamantly promote it. But this is not a means to arrive at sensible conclusions. It's just a power struggle."

"No matter how smart you might be, any stupid person will feel perfectly free to accuse you of being stupid"

"The biggest problem with stupid people isn't that they're stupid. It's that they don't know they're stupid. You should never interact with a stupid person in a deep way unless it's unavoidable."

So on that last note... so long Mr. Sucknadsem.



EDIT: Blessed is the ignore list...

This is pitiful

Arne is henceforth on my ignore list until his eventual ban.

At thread starter: Take what advice agrees with your common sense in this thread as a starting point and talk with her. Devise a strategy from there.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

That depends on what happens in the dream. Something happened to me once in an LD that left me wiped out and staggering around for a day and a half.

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It has been proven and documented that Lucid dreams tire no more or less than a normal dream.
So it could well have even been a normal dream, and you would have been the same.

QUOTE: "The average person has seven normal dreams per night, each lasting up to 45 minutes. During that time, the brain is highly active in REM sleep.
When you become lucid the level of brain activity does not increase noticeably. So lucid dreams are no more physically demanding than normal dreams.
What's more, lucid dreaming is much more exciting than normal dreams. When you wake up after a lucid dream, you are likely to feel happy, inspired and energized.
Compare this to normal dreams (or even nightmares) and you can see why lucid dreaming has so many powerful life benefits!"
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.c...aq.html#tiring

PM me the response and I will deliberate on your answer.
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I'm wondering if the problem is not in fact related to the lucid dreaming. It sounds like she may simply suffer from insomnia. Plenty of people have regular lucid dreams and do not suffer from it. Lots of people suffer from insomnia however so it may pay to look into solutions for insomnia eg - is the room dark enough? temperature comfortable? good airflow? comfortable bed? no caffeine after 4pm, winding down before bedtime with a relaxing book or meditation, etc etc I suggest you google it.

Another thought... If she is waking up feeling tired and unrefreshed she possibly may suffer from sleep apnoea.

No offense, but if she has a lucid every night, how does she know how restful normal sleep is? Maybe she's just not getting enough sleep in general?

Someone might have suggested this already (I didn't read the whole thread), but mabye she could try going to sleep again in the dream, with the expectation of having a normal dream?

Also, if you could get your friend to describe in detail what she experiences nightly (not including, of course, the content of the dreams themselves, just her experiences on falling asleep, waking up, entering and exiting dreaming etc), I think that the information would be very much appreciated by those of us who are still struggling to become like her, if it would not be too much trouble.

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No offense, but if she has a lucid every night, how does she know how restful normal sleep is? Maybe she's just not getting enough sleep in general?

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She has slept normal sleep once in a while.

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[...]those of us who are still struggling to become like her, if it would not be too much trouble.

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one of those "grass is always greener" kinda thangs...

she should go to sleep in her LD's.
like..find a bed and nod off. :P

Considering the evidence that constant lucidity isn't necessarily tiring, perhaps your friend is stuck in a self-fulfilling prophecy. If she believes that lucid dreams are exhausting, then they probably will be due to belief, which provides more evidence for believing it to begin with. Quite the vicious circle. She needs some way to break this chain, but I can't think of a way to do so at the moment.

As others have said, try losing lucidity on purpose. All she has to do for that to happen is become involved in the plot of the dream, ignoring the fact it is a dream. She should pretend that it is all real, and eventually she will forget she is only pretending.

I'd like to kick her ass.


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I can't believe it! The FSM is here! FSM you are my one true God (although I also worship the Invisible Pink Unicorn sorry, I hope you don't mind it's just I don't like to put all my eggs in one basket you know?)

You should listen to the Flying Spaghetti Monster coz He is our creator and knows everything. Wow I feel so privledged to have been touched by your noodly appendage!

As you were folk...

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touched by your noodly appendage!

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Ask her what her lucid dreams usually consist of. Having lucid dreams you can do anything you would like to, I don't see why would would want to get rid of that.

Maybe her lucid dreams have something symbolic in them, something she doesn't realise and it could be a message telling her something is wrong in RL.

People keep saying that "you" are the best analyser of your own dream. Tell her to go into a lucid dream and try as hard as she can to find out what the dream is trying to tell her.

Arne was right, to get rid of this she has to go back into her lucid dream. Asking dream characters is a possible way of finding out what is wrong in the dream, your subconscious usually comes up with the answers so it could possibly give her the answer straight away. If she was to confront or simply yell into the air at God (God being one that sees and knows all according to the dream) in her dream or by finding herself in her dream and asking herself, I think she could get an answer to why she feels restless.

It could turn out that it is something completely different like a virus in her system and she might blame the lucid dreams for some reason.

By finding out what she is lucid dreaming about we would be able to know why she is blaming it on the lucid dreaming, or just ask her why and get back to us.

I think I agree with some of whats said in here, she has more of an insomniac related problem. But she is still falling asleep, just not very deeply.

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Originally Posted by Shift

Moon, there are a lot of threads on this, though I don't have the time to dig them up. They have a lot of suggestions like working on dream control, then teleporting to a location that you find very relaxing. Maybe a bath, maybe a hammock on an tropical island, etc., and just relaxing in the dream. Have her try something like that and see if it at least makes the lucids relaxing and her feel well rested.

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I will look up those suggestions later when i get home from work.

I don't think the problem is for her that the lucid dreams are not relaxing. She just doesn't want to have to be lucid every night. From what she says, she would like to have normal sleep once in a while as well.

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Originally Posted by DreamChaser

It has been proven and documented that Lucid dreams tire no more or less than a normal dream.
So it could well have even been a normal dream, and you would have been the same.

QUOTE: "The average person has seven normal dreams per night, each lasting up to 45 minutes. During that time, the brain is highly active in REM sleep.
When you become lucid the level of brain activity does not increase noticeably. So lucid dreams are no more physically demanding than normal dreams.

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Lucid dreams may not be physically demanding, but they most certainly are mentally. At least i know that first hand.

From what she has told me, she goes to sleep at night feeling tired. Lucid Dreams all night, then wakes up in the morning just as tired.

Normaly dreams you don't really participate in, in the same way as a lucid dream. I know in a lucid dream, parts of your brain which would normaly be shut off durning the night, are no longer off.

Such as the awareness of whats going on around you.

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What's more, lucid dreaming is much more exciting than normal dreams. When you wake up after a lucid dream, you are likely to feel happy, inspired and energized.
Compare this to normal dreams (or even nightmares) and you can see why lucid dreaming has so many powerful life benefits!"
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.c...aq.html#tiring

PM me the response and I will deliberate on your answer.
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Yes they are exciting and fun, to us normal people. To someone who has been lucid dreaming there whole life. Im sure at some point the thrill of it goes away.

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Originally Posted by DreamQueen

I'm wondering if the problem is not in fact related to the lucid dreaming. It sounds like she may simply suffer from insomnia. Plenty of people have regular lucid dreams and do not suffer from it. Lots of people suffer from insomnia however so it may pay to look into solutions for insomnia eg - is the room dark enough? temperature comfortable? good airflow? comfortable bed? no caffeine after 4pm, winding down before bedtime with a relaxing book or meditation, etc etc I suggest you google it.

Another thought... If she is waking up feeling tired and unrefreshed she possibly may suffer from sleep apnoea.

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No i don't think she has a problem going to sleep at night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnoea

I will tell her about this of course. Or she will read it :)

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Originally Posted by Tanface1220

No offense, but if she has a lucid every night, how does she know how restful normal sleep is? Maybe she's just not getting enough sleep in general?

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Shes slept normal sleep on some occasions. She doesn't lucid dream 100&#37; of the time, once in a blue moon she gets a normal dream which doesn't become lucid.

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Originally Posted by archdreamer

Someone might have suggested this already (I didn't read the whole thread), but mabye she could try going to sleep again in the dream, with the expectation of having a normal dream?

Also, if you could get your friend to describe in detail what she experiences nightly (not including, of course, the content of the dreams themselves, just her experiences on falling asleep, waking up, entering and exiting dreaming etc), I think that the information would be very much appreciated by those of us who are still struggling to become like her, if it would not be too much trouble.

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Shes already tried that, in fact i suggested that to her before i even made this thread, that she should try and fall asleep in the dream lol. She told me she has and it doesn't work. She said it in fact turns into something like a false awakening.

I can, or i could try to convince her to come post here herself. Which id rather her come talk first hand of course.

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Originally Posted by benTENDO

Ask her what her lucid dreams usually consist of. Having lucid dreams you can do anything you would like to, I don't see why would would want to get rid of that.

Maybe her lucid dreams have something symbolic in them, something she doesn't realise and it could be a message telling her something is wrong in RL.

People keep saying that "you" are the best analyser of your own dream. Tell her to go into a lucid dream and try as hard as she can to find out what the dream is trying to tell her.

Arne was right, to get rid of this she has to go back into her lucid dream. Asking dream characters is a possible way of finding out what is wrong in the dream, your subconscious usually comes up with the answers so it could possibly give her the answer straight away. If she was to confront or simply yell into the air at God (God being one that sees and knows all according to the dream) in her dream or by finding herself in her dream and asking herself, I think she could get an answer to why she feels restless.

It could turn out that it is something completely different like a virus in her system and she might blame the lucid dreams for some reason.

By finding out what she is lucid dreaming about we would be able to know why she is blaming it on the lucid dreaming, or just ask her why and get back to us.

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I will have her read this and I will, or she will respond.

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Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

I think I agree with some of whats said in here, she has more of an insomniac related problem. But she is still falling asleep, just not very deeply.

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Well she has taken Tylenol pm and other such drugs to try and help her sleep better but she said none of it works. She still becomes lucid.




I have to head to work soon however i'm sure she will read what everyone has posted. I will get back to you guys later tonight.

Thanks for all the help so far.


Edit: Also one last thing, from my own personal experience with lucid dreaming. After i lucid dream, yes i wake up feeling happy excited and refreshed. But i also feel mentally drained. Being awake in your dreams has to take some kind of extra energy that a normal dream wouldn't.

I can only assume that for her, waking up after a lucid dream doesn't make her happy excited or refreshed. Mainly because for her that's a natural routine. Its something that happens every night. So i don't think its as fun or exciting for her as it is for normal people.

Really? My blog is "stupid?" A lot of people have read it, and Mad Hatter is the first person who has ever said so. Well, you can't please everyone.

As to what the things in your dreams really are -- you only have to have lucid dreams to find that out. When you do that, it's easy to learn.

:D

And BTW, I support atheists in many areas, such as the one addressed in this link. If anything needs to be taken down a notch, it's Christmas. Often I've thought that the world would be a much better place if Jesus and Muhammad had never been born.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05...ef=mpstoryview

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And BTW, I support atheists in many areas, such as the one addressed in this link. If anything needs to be taken down a notch, it's Christmas. Often I've thought that the world would be a much better place if Jesus and Muhammad had never been born.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05...ef=mpstoryview

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This thread isn't really about you now, is it?

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Really? My blog is "stupid?" A lot of people have read it, and Mad Hatter is the first person who has ever said so. Well, you can't please everyone.

As to what the things in your dreams really are -- you only have to have lucid dreams to find that out. When you do that, it's easy to learn.

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:hijack: No one cares about your blog. If you wish to bother someone you can PM me about it. I've already asked told you to stop spamming this person's post.

might seem a little far fetched... but hypnosis would work if it came from somebody experienced. For all the skeptics out there, hypnosis is more like forced placebo. You have to believe it will work, but then it does. I have heard that the hypnotist will tell you something like " When you fall asleep at night, you will see a button. Press that button and you will enter a lucid dream. ". Possibly something like that, but press the button NOT to have a lucid dream...? Also, you could hypnotize her just not to lucid dream at all.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And BTW, I support atheists in many areas, such as the one addressed in this link. If anything needs to be taken down a notch, it's Christmas. Often I've thought that the world would be a much better place if Jesus and Muhammad had never been born.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05...ef=mpstoryview

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Arne, I am not very religious myself. However, stop spamming the thread. The fact that you would even consider posting that here means that you probably live in some crap apartment somewhere, and your only real interaction with people is on this website. Please do us all a favor and leave.

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And BTW, I support atheists in many areas, such as the one addressed in this link. If anything needs to be taken down a notch, it's Christmas. Often I've thought that the world would be a much better place if Jesus and Muhammad had never been born.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05...ef=mpstoryview

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Originally Posted by oniman7

Arne, I am not very religious myself. However, stop spamming the thread. The fact that you would even consider posting that here means that you probably live in some crap apartment somewhere, and your only real interaction with people is on this website. Please do us all a favor and leave.

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Yeah, what has religion and Christmas got to do with this thread?
Stick to the rules like everyone else.

What's wrong with your blog...go back to it Prima Donna.

HOW TO IGNORE A TROLL TO MAKE IT GO AWAY

1. Click on the nickname.

2. Click on "View Public Profile". A new page will show up.

3. Click on "Add TrollName to Your Ignore List", then "Save List"

4. That's it. Now either the troll is posting and you can't see it, or it has given up. Either way, you win.



A SECOND WAY

Don't post things like "No one cares about your blog. If you wish to bother someone you can PM me about it. I've already asked told you to stop spamming this person's post.". It's only encouragement for the troll. Just skip his post and read the important ones.

I'm not gonna lie about this:

I find it strangely amusing to see DV members and trolls fight.
MOAR drama.

I'm home from work now, once my friend gets online i'm going to try and convince her to come talk to you guys/gals herself :)

I'm sure you guys will be able to help her.

That would be very nice, Moon. :)

Dose she already have an account here?

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Originally Posted by oniman7

might seem a little far fetched... but hypnosis would work if it came from somebody experienced. For all the skeptics out there, hypnosis is more like forced placebo. You have to believe it will work, but then it does. I have heard that the hypnotist will tell you something like " When you fall asleep at night, you will see a button. Press that button and you will enter a lucid dream. ". Possibly something like that, but press the button NOT to have a lucid dream...? Also, you could hypnotize her just not to lucid dream at all.

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I've never been hypnotized, because I was admittedly very skeptical when I was ignorant about it's nature.

Now that I've come to understand the kinda of "forced placebo" nature of it, I've started to think that many it could be useful.

I second the hypnosis suggestion :D

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Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

That would be very nice, Moon. :)

Dose she already have an account here?

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Not 100% sure, if she doesn't ill just have her use my account, and tell her to let you know that its her and not me :)

Oops, sorry the spamming is partly my fault too for mentioning the FSM username. I just got all excited coz I love the FSM concept and was quite amused to see someone had used the name and logo. For a minute I actually thought it might even be the FSM Himself come to lend His helpful noodly appendage ;-)

*whacks self*

Once she realises she`s in a dream, find a bed in the dream and go to sleep?

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Originally Posted by JustSoSick

Once she realises she`s in a dream, find a bed in the dream and go to sleep?

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True, that could work... but if she becomes lucid (nearly) every time she sleeps, it may not be any different going to sleep within a dream.

Threads like these make Dizko a sad panda....:(

Can't she just close her eyes and daydream about random stuff to lose lucidity? Stuff in lucids needs our attention to exist.

Trying to make her LDs stop is BS, the only solution is to learn about LDing, which she could easily do here on this site. If it really is a problem for her, then I look forward to seeing her around the site. But if she's too lazy to bother, that's her problem, and she'll get no sympathy from me.

Waking up all the time is the first hurdle a newb LDer must overcome. It's a little odd she hasn't been able to figure that one out yet. It may just be she doesn't know jack shit about dream control, which a little time browsing this site could easily fix.

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Once she realises she`s in a dream, find a bed in the dream and go to sleep?

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Originally Posted by Mad Stratter

True, that could work... but if she becomes lucid (nearly) every time she sleeps, it may not be any different going to sleep within a dream.

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From what she tells me its not. She is still in a lucid dream, she is still aware she is dreaming.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Trying to make her LDs stop is BS, the only solution is to learn about LDing, which she could easily do here on this site. If it really is a problem for her, then I look forward to seeing her around the site. But if she's too lazy to bother, that's her problem, and she'll get no sympathy from me.

Waking up all the time is the first hurdle a newb LDer must overcome. It's a little odd she hasn't been able to figure that one out yet. It may just be she doesn't know jack shit about dream control, which a little time browsing this site could easily fix.

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She doesn't want them to stop, she wants them to not happen every single night of the week.

She doesn't wake up all the time. She has plenty dream control. She just becomes lucid every time she dreams.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Trying to make her LDs stop is BS, the only solution is to learn about LDing, which she could easily do here on this site. If it really is a problem for her, then I look forward to seeing her around the site. But if she's too lazy to bother, that's her problem, and she'll get no sympathy from me.

Waking up all the time is the first hurdle a newb LDer must overcome. It's a little odd she hasn't been able to figure that one out yet. It may just be she doesn't know jack shit about dream control, which a little time browsing this site could easily fix.

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Why the hostility?

I can understand that it's hard to imagine a scenario in which you don't want to have lucid dreams, seeing as we are all here to increase our lucid dreams.

From what I understand, she's not looking for sympathy; she's looking for help.

Try to relate: have you ever suffered from insomnia? Not just trouble falling asleep now and then, but truly exhausting, anguishing insomnia... you come to a forum looking for help on falling asleep. How much help would it be if someone said "Trying to stop staying awake at night is BS. The only solution to your insomnia is learning about sleep... it may just be that you don't know jackshit about falling asleep, which a little time here could fix."

This site focuses on people who have trouble with LDs learning to have them more, so a reverse of that problem does require special attention.

[QUOTE=Ghost94;959616]Maybe your friend should go with the flow

Well said Mad Stratter

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Originally Posted by oniman7

might seem a little far fetched... but hypnosis would work if it came from somebody experienced. For all the skeptics out there, hypnosis is more like forced placebo. You have to believe it will work, but then it does. I have heard that the hypnotist will tell you something like " When you fall asleep at night, you will see a button. Press that button and you will enter a lucid dream. ". Possibly something like that, but press the button NOT to have a lucid dream...? Also, you could hypnotize her just not to lucid dream at all.

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Originally Posted by Mad Stratter

I've never been hypnotized, because I was admittedly very skeptical when I was ignorant about it's nature.

Now that I've come to understand the kinda of "forced placebo" nature of it, I've started to think that many it could be useful.

I second the hypnosis suggestion :D

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Thanks for the support, and I hope that people ( especially The Moon ) will read this and take it to heart. It is one of the hardest to achieve, but also the most effective if done right. It works on a subconscious level, and it is hard to do that otherwise.

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Thanks for the support, and I hope that people ( especially The Moon ) will read this and take it to heart. It is one of the hardest to achieve, but also the most effective if done right. It works on a subconscious level, and it is hard to do that otherwise.

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id honestly like to believe it works, but i've never had it done to me before so who knows heh...

Hello all *waves shyly* I'm the one TheMoon has posted about.
I'm new to the forum scene... any forum, and quite... shy. So I'll do my best to reply to your statements and inquiries. And, I'd like to thank all of you for your help.
TheMoon is the only person I have had an actual conversation with about my dreams. So it feels kinda odd doing this, I hope you'll bear with me. I apologize in advance for my lack of knowledge in this area.

I didn't mean to complain about my dreams, to the contrary, we were just discussing the topic, and I happened to mention that I would love just to be able to lay down and go to sleep and have the darkness envelope me for a good 8 hours more than once a week, instead of waking up in my dreams all night long.
I "wake up" in my dreams, or enter them, knowing that I'm dreaming. I've tried so many different things, before sleep, and inside the dreams; to get myself out of them, or to keep from having them period. I've actually went to bed in my dream, only to dream inside the dream. Like a false awakening. I've chanted mantras, and tried meditation. Believing that I would not wake up in my dreams.
The last year or so has been the worst. I will wake up just as tired as I was when I went to bed. Mentally. My body feels refreshed, but my mind is sluggish, like I need to lay back down for a few hours. I haven't really had a regular sleep schedule, ever, but it was never really a problem. Exercise is another thing. I lead a pretty active life, cleaning, gardening, walking to classes, taking care of my nephews, and doing what's necessary to survive in the world.
Earlier this year I was in a car accident... (got hit by a beer truck... talk about irony.) It tore me up pretty good. I also live with pain daily from other difficulties. So I have the pill department covered. I still wake up in my dreams... unless I'm drinking with my vicodin... then I just pass out, and don't remember my dreams, lol. I've also tried the Tylenol pm/antihistamine suggestion.. same result.
Gosh, I feel like I'm writing a very boring book *sheepish grin*.
I like the idea of hypnotism. I haven't tried that, but I would be willing to look into it.

I love my lucid dreams. I love dreaming, period. (minus my Nightmare). I don't want to stop completely, but I would love to actually sleep and wake up refreshed and happy. I was wondering if this could perhaps be a control issue... Not a dream control issue, but ... gosh don't know how to phrase it. Sometimes I feel as if everything is slipping out of my grasp. Like I'm always one step ahead of complete disaster, and if I make one little mistake, it will all come crashing down around me. My nephews are my world. I adopted them almost two years ago, but I've been taking care of them their entire lives. I'm wondering if the trouble with my dreams could be the need to at least control completely some part of my life?

gosh! I'm so sorry for writing so much! Thanks for putting up with my ramblings. Sometimes it's hard to get myself to hush.
Thanks so much everyone.

~Syl

It most likely wouldn't work for you because you don't believe it does. Although, it is kind of like lucid dreaming. Trying to explain it to someone who has never experienced it is like trying to explain to a blind man the difference between red and purple. Even if the hypnosis itself doesn't work, it could easily be a good relaxation technique. If you would like to try it yourself, have your friend lay down and say " You are inside of a very tall building. There are 200 steps down. You go down to the first step. You are now on step 200. Now you are on step 199. Now you are on step 198..etc. " say it slowly, and in an almost emotionless voice ( deeper voices tend to work better ). No matter the results of the actual hypnosis, most people fall asleep by around step 70. Maybe your friend could fall into a deep enough sleep as to not have any control.
When I said it wouldn't work for you: I meant The moon, not you sylunea

You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

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You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

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She has not always been taken pills im sure...

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She has not always been taken pills im sure...

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"I also live with pain daily from other difficulties. So I have the pill department covered" sounds to me like something that would suggest she has been taking pills for a while, but I would like to hear it from her. Also, I am just trying to find some reason why this would happen.

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I'm wondering if the trouble with my dreams could be the need to at least control completely some part of my life?
~Syl

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This could also be it. It could be sort of a coping mechanism in your subconscious either trying to find a way to gain some control, or maybe to relax. Again, I wouldn't go off of any of these suggestions too seriously because I am just trying to find the roots of the problem right now. If we can identify a problem, I'm sure we can help fix it afterwards.

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You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

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Right now it's just your basic Vicodin and anti-inflammatory (prescription Motrin). Garlic and Ginseng,and I'm a faithful believer in green tea, lol.
Also some... :embarrassed: *whispers* stool softeners because of a lower intestine surgery.
That's it, I'm not a big chemical fanatic. I'm a country girl, so I do my own cooking, gardening, canning. No preservatives or addatives in my foods. I do drink coffee and I'll have a Pepsi when I won't get caught drinking it... Which isn't very often. :lol: my boys try to take care of me when I'll let 'em. lol.

Well, a lot of fruits and vegetables have a large amount of vitamins that can cause lucid dreaming. Do you eat a lot of chocolate? I've heard that can effect dreaming. Also, the green tea might be influencing something, along with the ginseng. It's more natural stuff that can cause lucid dreams. How about vitamins in pill form? do you take those?

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Well, a lot of fruits and vegetables have a large amount of vitamins that can cause lucid dreaming. Do you eat a lot of chocolate? I've heard that can effect dreaming. Also, the green tea might be influencing something, along with the ginseng. It's more natural stuff that can cause lucid dreams. How about vitamins in pill form? do you take those?

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I didn't know about the vitamins. I do eat oranges, bananas, grapes. Big fan of broccoli, legumes, most vegetables.
I'm not the biggest fan of chocolate, so I don't eat it very often. I do fix things like peach cobbler, apple fritters, pumpkin rolls. Things like that.

I don't take vitamins in pill form, just eat the foods. except for the Ginseng and garlic.

I think the answer there could be the oranges, bananas and legumes. I believe that bananas and legumes both have a lot of the vitamin B6 ( correct me if I am wrong about which vitamin ) and the oranges have a high amount of vitamin C, which some people say aids in lucid dreaming. I would say to try and stay away from these for a while, but I don't know how your body would deal with that due to how much antioxidants you have been taking in.

By the way, welcome to the community and I hope you'll see. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or most other members here and they'll be glad to help. Also, you can post threads on any forums and you should get plenty of replies.

People you can trust: Me:lol:, Seeker28, Shift, Ninja9578 ( I think that's it ) Dizko, anonymoose, TheMoon ( of course )

People you should probably stay away from for right now: arne saknussemm, not sure about Tarsier; he/she tends to be a little rude. The Cusp has the same general issue as Tarsier from what I've seen even on this thread ( sorry if any of that seemed biased ).

Other than those notable exceptions, most people here are trustworthy and willing to invest their time to help you.

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I think the answer there could be the oranges, bananas and legumes. I believe that bananas and legumes both have a lot of the vitamin B6 ( correct me if I am wrong about which vitamin ) and the oranges have a high amount of vitamin C, which some people say aids in lucid dreaming. I would say to try and stay away from these for a while, but I don't know how your body would deal with that due to how much antioxidants you have been taking in.

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Ahh, okay. I'll stay away from them. I'll go back to the potassium pills, and leave off of the beans and fruits for a while, to see if it helps at all.
Thanks so much for the suggestion, and I'll let you know if it works.

If anything, I would stay away from the potassium pills. I am not an expert in this, but I know bananas have a large amount of potassium and are known to help lucid dreaming, so I would stay off them none the less.

Also, I wouldn't stop all at once, that could damage your immune system. Slowly wean off of anything I have listed and see if it helps.

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By the way, welcome to the community and I hope you'll see. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or most other members here and they'll be glad to help. Also, you can post threads on any forums and you should get plenty of replies.

People you can trust: Me:lol:, Seeker28, Shift, Ninja9578 ( I think that's it ) Dizko, anonymoose, TheMoon ( of course )

People you should probably stay away from for right now: arne saknussemm, not sure about Tarsier; he/she tends to be a little rude. The Cusp has the same general issue as Tarsier from what I've seen even on this thread ( sorry if any of that seemed biased ).

Other than those notable exceptions, most people here are trustworthy and willing to invest their time to help you.

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Aw, well, I seem to have more faith in the DV community than you :tongue: but, I appreciate the love :D

Oni is right though, if you've got any questions about lucid dreaming I'll do my best to answer them for ya. Welcome to DV at any rate. :)

If you're on so many medications, presumably you've got a doctor? Have you tried speaking to them about this problem?

No problem Shift, but I tell it as I see it. You have been trustworthy, so I would go to you if I had a question. I probably wouldn't go to Tarsier or the Cusp, simply because I've had bad experiences with them. Also, I like the quote at the bottom of your signature. That basically sums up how Hitler got the entire country to follow him. It was not one man, but an entire country. Sorry if that was too far off topic

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No problem Shift, but I tell it as I see it. You have been trustworthy, so I would go to you if I had a question. I probably wouldn't go to Tarsier or the Cusp, simply because I've had bad experiences with them. Also, I like the quote at the bottom of your signature. That basically sums up how Hitler got the entire country to follow him. It was not one man, but an entire country. Sorry if that was too far off topic

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Ah well to avoid thread hijacking I shall leave you with a grateful :hug: :) until I have something more to contribute to Syulunea ;)

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By the way, welcome to the community and I hope you'll see. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or most other members here and they'll be glad to help. Also, you can post threads on any forums and you should get plenty of replies.

People you can trust: Me:lol:, Seeker28, Shift, Ninja9578 ( I think that's it ) Dizko, anonymoose, TheMoon ( of course )

People you should probably stay away from for right now: arne saknussemm, not sure about Tarsier; he/she tends to be a little rude. The Cusp has the same general issue as Tarsier from what I've seen even on this thread ( sorry if any of that seemed biased ).

Other than those notable exceptions, most people here are trustworthy and willing to invest their time to help you.

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Thank you for the welcome, and for the help! I didn't mind The Cusp's post. He/she has every right say what they did. I appreciate those comments posted defending my situation. Arne on the other hand... just kinda freaked me out :embarrassed: lol.
I'll do my best to make decent contributions, and learn more about lucid dreaming.

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If anything, I would stay away from the potassium pills. I am not an expert in this, but I know bananas have a large amount of potassium and are known to help lucid dreaming, so I would stay off them none the less.

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Okay, I'll do that. I'll need to talk to my doc about leaving off of the potassium. ( Something to do with the lower intestine surgery and the deficiency of potassium could cause the problem to happen again.)

My dreams haven't really changed as my diet has changed, so I didn't think about that.

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Aw, well, I seem to have more faith in the DV community than you but, I appreciate the love

Oni is right though, if you've got any questions about lucid dreaming I'll do my best to answer them for ya. Welcome to DV at any rate.

If you're on so many medications, presumably you've got a doctor? Have you tried speaking to them about this problem?

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Hi Shift! Thanks for the welcome and the help!
I brought the subject up to my doctor a few weeks ago, but he couldn't quite get his head around the fact that I "wake up" in my dreams every night, and I have since I was a child. He told me to make an appointment with the psychiatrist on staff at the hospital. :oops: Having my doc look at me like I'm :banana: is always fun! :D

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Hi Shift! Thanks for the welcome and the help!
I brought the subject up to my doctor a few weeks ago, but he couldn't quite get his head around the fact that I "wake up" in my dreams every night, and I have since I was a child. He told me to make an appointment with the psychiatrist on staff at the hospital. :oops: Having my doc look at me like I'm :banana: is always fun! :D

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Ah, yeah. I mentioned it to my psychology professor and SHE thought I was nuts. Not that it exists- but that it is what I said it was. She doesn't seem to realize the real-time aspect of it and thinks it's all memories. I tried to explain it and got blank stares :( And I had such faith in cognitive psychologist like herself :( It is hard to find people who believe it and harder to find those who do it. Couldn't hurt to at least try to doctors and see if any of them are familiar with lucid dreaming *shrug* you never know, maybe one of them is even a natural?

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Okay, I'll do that. I'll need to talk to my doc about leaving off of the potassium. ( Something to do with the lower intestine surgery and the deficiency of potassium could cause the problem to happen again.)

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Oh, I didn't know you were taking the pills as of this moment. If they are necessary, by no means should you stop taking them. The way you said it made it sound like it was just a supplement you took. You'd think that having a medical degree, the doctor would know what lucid dreaming is....

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Ah well to avoid thread hijacking I shall leave you with a grateful :hug: :) until I have something more to contribute to Syulunea ;)

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It's too late Shift :hijack:

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Ah, yeah. I mentioned it to my psychology professor and SHE thought I was nuts. Not that it exists- but that it is what I said it was. She doesn't seem to realize the real-time aspect of it and thinks it's all memories. I tried to explain it and got blank stares :( And I had such faith in cognitive psychologist like herself :( It is hard to find people who believe it and harder to find those who do it. Couldn't hurt to at least try to doctors and see if any of them are familiar with lucid dreaming *shrug* you never know, maybe one of them is even a natural?

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:( sorry to hear that she was so closed minded about it. There are no lucid dreamers in my family, but they take it in stride. On the other hand, there are those I go to classes with or my prof's. (Theology professor) who would like nothing more than to forget the fact that I mentioned that I have lucid dreames.

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Oh, I didn't know you were taking the pills as of this moment. If they are necessary, by no means should you stop taking them. The way you said it made it sound like it was just a supplement you took.

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I quit taking the pills a while back because I couldn't afford them, buying bananas was much cheaper. :lol: But like you said, I do believe they also contain another/more vitamins than just potassium.

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Ain't that the truth!?

If it doesn't work within 2-3 weeks, I would go back to your old diet. No sense denying yourself those nutrients if it's not for a good reason.

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If it doesn't work within 2-3 weeks, I would go back to your old diet. No sense denying yourself those nutrients if it's not for a good reason.

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Thanks for all the help. I'll do that, and I'll let you know if it makes a difference.

Sylunea

I wouldn't give up any of those fruits and veggies. They seem to have minimal effect on lucid dreaming (they're pretty much fully digested before you ever start dreaming, even if you eat right before bed), and the effects from, say, B6, seem to only be really significant in intermittent doses... lucidity wise, I don't that you're daily B6 is causing anything.

The health benefits from your diet far outweigh any effects they're having on your dreams.

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Sylunea

I wouldn't give up any of those fruits and veggies. They seem to have minimal effect on lucid dreaming (they're pretty much fully digested before you ever start dreaming, even if you eat right before bed), and the effects from, say, B6, seem to only be really significant in intermittent doses... lucidity wise, I don't that you're daily B6 is causing anything.

The health benefits from your diet far outweigh any effects they're having on your dreams.

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Yeah id have to say the same. Not eating a balanced diet to prevent lucid dreaming doesn't sound like the best thing.

Just get her to read the thread and see what clicks.

I don't think that it has anything to do with your vitamin intake or daily exercise routine. You will find that elite athletes don't have a natural lucid dream process even though they have the best of both. Even if I am wrong by doing a simple task like I have given to you, or even the one Arne gave to you, it could be possible that you would find out the answer yourself.

You seemed to have gotten the wrong impression of Arne, people on these forums don't seem to like him because they don't understand what he is trying to achieve. The simple tasks which we can give you may be able to unlock something or help you out in a way, but you have to give us a chance first.

You might find that there is something in your dreams which you need to find out. Dreams come to people with a message, usually the person having the dream is the best analyser of what the dream actually means.

Next time you have a lucid dream try asking one of the dream characters (or it would be better if you could summon God or another form of yourself) to ask them what your lucid dreams are trying to tell you.

Do not try and control the dream characters at all, instead allow the dream to create the answer which they give to you.

I think that by summoning someone like this, or a natural character that is already in the dream, you should be able to get the answer that your body is trying to tell you straight away. Even if there is nothing that your body or mind is trying to tell you, you will not be at loss by trying it anyway. If you are a natural dreamer it should be easy for you to find time to do this task, just give it a shot the next time you go to sleep.

I hope my task does help you out, but I myself am not an expert at coming up with these tasks. Arne on the other hand comes with experience, but as I said whenever he tries to suggest something on the forum all he gets are personal attacks from random people who are not even here to give advise.

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She's already here, genius. :D

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Originally Posted by benTENDO

I don't think that it has anything to do with your vitamin intake or daily exercise routine. You will find that elite athletes don't have a natural lucid dream process even though they have the best of both. Even if I am wrong by doing a simple task like I have given to you, or even the one Arne gave to you, it could be possible that you would find out the answer yourself.

You seemed to have gotten the wrong impression of Arne, people on these forums don't seem to like him because they don't understand what he is trying to achieve. The simple tasks which we can give you may be able to unlock something or help you out in a way, but you have to give us a chance first.

You might find that there is something in your dreams which you need to find out. Dreams come to people with a message, usually the person having the dream is the best analyser of what the dream actually means.

Next time you have a lucid dream try asking one of the dream characters (or it would be better if you could summon God or another form of yourself) to ask them what your lucid dreams are trying to tell you.

Do not try and control the dream characters at all, instead allow the dream to create the answer which they give to you.

I think that by summoning someone like this, or a natural character that is already in the dream, you should be able to get the answer that your body is trying to tell you straight away. Even if there is nothing that your body or mind is trying to tell you, you will not be at loss by trying it anyway. If you are a natural dreamer it should be easy for you to find time to do this task, just give it a shot the next time you go to sleep.

I hope my task does help you out, but I myself am not an expert at coming up with these tasks. Arne on the other hand comes with experience, but as I said whenever he tries to suggest something on the forum all he gets are personal attacks from random people who are not even here to give advise.

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You make sense. But you're off topic.

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I'm not off topic, I'm suggesting a way for her to find out why she is restless. That's what she needs to ask the dream characters.

I believe that there is something in her dreams, but she might not be picking up on this. Her body may be making her tired by itself because it wants her to be asleep and find out what the message is.

I suggested talking to the dream characters because they are part of the dream. If it isn't something in her dream that is causing it then maybe still in a dream she could ask her subconscious mind (one again through the use of talking to DCs) to find out what is wrong.

If it doesn't work: She is at no loss.

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She's already here, genius. :D

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Wasn't talking to you. I was trying to alleviate The Moon answering 50 posts with what he will tell her and so on.
If she has looked great.
The Moon..no offence to you on this.

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:hijack: No one cares about your blog. If you wish to bother someone you can PM me about it. I've already asked told you to stop spamming this person's post.

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You need to settle down with your superiority complex. Yes, you have more posts than me. No, you are not better than me, or anyone. Stop being a jackass.

Heard of mods? Or, for that matter, banning? Honestly.

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You need to settle down with your superiority complex. Yes, you have more posts than me. No, you are not better than me, or anyone. Stop being a jackass.

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As a moderator to these forums, I have the right to request that people stop spamming. I say the same to you. If you have a problem about the way things are done, PM a member of the staff.

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Haha, wow. Man.

Either a) you are Arne :D :roll: b) you really do only have 4 posts worth of time here and really know nothing about anything, and really are just that dumb.

I'm banking on the latter, but either way, kindly shut up please. You've had nothing constructive to say in your first four posts, and you know that old cliche about first impressions, I'm sure...

I advise you do something productive or leave before forced to, rather than become another annoying troll (and not even the slightly-funny, mildly-entertaining kind).

It's a shame this thread has been :hijack: so many times; I personally found it very interesting.

You children should learn to behave yourselves... I'm amazed anyone new ever sticks around these boards, with the lot of you acting the way you are.

Lesson: just because the internet allows you to act like an anonymous douchebag does not mean that you should act like one.

Sylunea, if you haven't been scared away by these fools :P, how did last night go for you? What changes did you make, if any, and did you notice anything differently?

I just thought of something else, when I saw that I still have the Brainwave Generator on my desktop... I'm kind of on the fence as to whether it actually does much of anything or if it's all placebo, but have you ever experimented with binaural beats? Maybe you could try using one in the low delta range while you sleep? That may keep your awareness down when you need it...

"may"...

I know it's been a long time, but I was curious how things were going? If you still haven't found a solution, maybe you are open to hypnosis?

Maybe if she tried going to bed and falling asleep in her lucid dream.

Please read all of the other posts before posting when the thread is only a couple of pages long. This has been suggested more than once, and it doesn't work. I'm sure we all appreciate the suggestion though.

My apologies, your right. I did not and should have.

Now that you're here, do you have anything useful to suggest?

Hmmm, nothing that hasn't already been said-which is a lot.
Reading through the thread was really interesting though-a wealth of information.
I quite enjoyed it...and should have done it in the first place.

EDIT: it's already been said, sorry :(

this is ridicouluse your friend cant sleep becuase she is always lucid , even though shes lucid shes still sleeping , maybe she could sleep inside the dream?

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this is ridicouluse your friend cant sleep becuase she is always lucid , even though shes lucid shes still sleeping , maybe she could sleep inside the dream?

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Have you even read the thread?
This has been suggested a hundred times before, and it doesn't work.
And for her it's clearly not 'ridiculous', but problematic.

Hey. I have the same problem as your friend. It's very frustrating you feel as though you never rest because automation never occurs. I mentally feel like i'm always awake because i'm constantly thinking or doing. I've watched television in dreams, i've read in dreams, and yes I have tried sleeping in dreams. But it just feels like i'm still in the waking state.

Anyway I've found that I cope with this by varying my level of lucidity. You should see if your friend can find a way to tone it down. Let everything else exist and try to become reactive to their dreams. I often keep the majority of my lucidity at bay unless I begin to enter a nightmare in which case I tend to kick things into full gear to put an end to it. So perhaps that will help. My only other suggestion is drink heavily because the simple and dark blackness that a drunken nap can provide is blissful but absolutely terrible for you unfortunately.

For a bit of background I began lucid dreaming when I was about 2-4. In a nightmare there was a strange black and enigmatic apparition with enormous teeth and red eyes. Not very imaginative but for a child of that age it was absolutely terrifying. In my fear I split the creature in two mentally and a blinding white light emerged from the bifurcated area and I woke up. Lucid ever sense.

marijuana! maybe.

The annoying thing is I used to have this 'problem' and now I don't :( and I miss it dearly :(

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The annoying thing is I used to have this 'problem' and now I don't :( and I miss it dearly :(

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I am a bit fearful of this happening to me in all honesty. Last night I had an encounter with a dog that would have been unfortunate without lucidity.

does she have a second life in her dreams?

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does she have a second life in her dreams?

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Doubt it. If it's anything like me it's just. . kind of like life continuing. Albeit the events are more fantastic.

Although there are some locations that only exist when i'm dreaming but I think that's normal?