Thread: How can a natural avoid becoming lucid every night?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

>>Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life.
I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.<<

I'll tell you what. Have her do my task. The next time she has an LD, have her shout out as loudly as she can, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?'' (Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.)

PM me the answer that comes back to her, and we'll see what can be done from there.

As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say....

Please stop posting... Thank you

Originally Posted by TheMoon

As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say....

Please stop posting... Thank you

I'm every bit as serious as you are, and a good deal more serious than many people who post here. I can guarantee you that.

Just have her try it. There's nothing to lose from trying it.

Originally Posted by Shift

Moon, there are a lot of threads on this, though I don't have the time to dig them up. They have a lot of suggestions like working on dream control, then teleporting to a location that you find very relaxing. Maybe a bath, maybe a hammock on an tropical island, etc., and just relaxing in the dream. Have her try something like that and see if it at least makes the lucids relaxing and her feel well rested.

I will look up those suggestions later when i get home from work.

I don't think the problem is for her that the lucid dreams are not relaxing. She just doesn't want to have to be lucid every night. From what she says, she would like to have normal sleep once in a while as well.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

It has been proven and documented that Lucid dreams tire no more or less than a normal dream.
So it could well have even been a normal dream, and you would have been the same.

QUOTE: "The average person has seven normal dreams per night, each lasting up to 45 minutes. During that time, the brain is highly active in REM sleep.
When you become lucid the level of brain activity does not increase noticeably. So lucid dreams are no more physically demanding than normal dreams.

Lucid dreams may not be physically demanding, but they most certainly are mentally. At least i know that first hand.

From what she has told me, she goes to sleep at night feeling tired. Lucid Dreams all night, then wakes up in the morning just as tired.

Normaly dreams you don't really participate in, in the same way as a lucid dream. I know in a lucid dream, parts of your brain which would normaly be shut off durning the night, are no longer off.

Such as the awareness of whats going on around you.

What's more, lucid dreaming is much more exciting than normal dreams. When you wake up after a lucid dream, you are likely to feel happy, inspired and energized.
Compare this to normal dreams (or even nightmares) and you can see why lucid dreaming has so many powerful life benefits!"
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.c...aq.html#tiring

PM me the response and I will deliberate on your answer.

Yes they are exciting and fun, to us normal people. To someone who has been lucid dreaming there whole life. Im sure at some point the thrill of it goes away.

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

I'm wondering if the problem is not in fact related to the lucid dreaming. It sounds like she may simply suffer from insomnia. Plenty of people have regular lucid dreams and do not suffer from it. Lots of people suffer from insomnia however so it may pay to look into solutions for insomnia eg - is the room dark enough? temperature comfortable? good airflow? comfortable bed? no caffeine after 4pm, winding down before bedtime with a relaxing book or meditation, etc etc I suggest you google it.

Another thought... If she is waking up feeling tired and unrefreshed she possibly may suffer from sleep apnoea.

No i don't think she has a problem going to sleep at night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnoea

I will tell her about this of course. Or she will read it

Originally Posted by Tanface1220

No offense, but if she has a lucid every night, how does she know how restful normal sleep is? Maybe she's just not getting enough sleep in general?

Shes slept normal sleep on some occasions. She doesn't lucid dream 100&#37; of the time, once in a blue moon she gets a normal dream which doesn't become lucid.

Originally Posted by archdreamer

Someone might have suggested this already (I didn't read the whole thread), but mabye she could try going to sleep again in the dream, with the expectation of having a normal dream?

Also, if you could get your friend to describe in detail what she experiences nightly (not including, of course, the content of the dreams themselves, just her experiences on falling asleep, waking up, entering and exiting dreaming etc), I think that the information would be very much appreciated by those of us who are still struggling to become like her, if it would not be too much trouble.

Shes already tried that, in fact i suggested that to her before i even made this thread, that she should try and fall asleep in the dream lol. She told me she has and it doesn't work. She said it in fact turns into something like a false awakening.

I can, or i could try to convince her to come post here herself. Which id rather her come talk first hand of course.

Originally Posted by benTENDO

Ask her what her lucid dreams usually consist of. Having lucid dreams you can do anything you would like to, I don't see why would would want to get rid of that.

Maybe her lucid dreams have something symbolic in them, something she doesn't realise and it could be a message telling her something is wrong in RL.

People keep saying that "you" are the best analyser of your own dream. Tell her to go into a lucid dream and try as hard as she can to find out what the dream is trying to tell her.

Arne was right, to get rid of this she has to go back into her lucid dream. Asking dream characters is a possible way of finding out what is wrong in the dream, your subconscious usually comes up with the answers so it could possibly give her the answer straight away. If she was to confront or simply yell into the air at God (God being one that sees and knows all according to the dream) in her dream or by finding herself in her dream and asking herself, I think she could get an answer to why she feels restless.

It could turn out that it is something completely different like a virus in her system and she might blame the lucid dreams for some reason.

By finding out what she is lucid dreaming about we would be able to know why she is blaming it on the lucid dreaming, or just ask her why and get back to us.

I will have her read this and I will, or she will respond.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

I think I agree with some of whats said in here, she has more of an insomniac related problem. But she is still falling asleep, just not very deeply.

Well she has taken Tylenol pm and other such drugs to try and help her sleep better but she said none of it works. She still becomes lucid.




I have to head to work soon however i'm sure she will read what everyone has posted. I will get back to you guys later tonight.

Thanks for all the help so far.


Edit: Also one last thing, from my own personal experience with lucid dreaming. After i lucid dream, yes i wake up feeling happy excited and refreshed. But i also feel mentally drained. Being awake in your dreams has to take some kind of extra energy that a normal dream wouldn't.

I can only assume that for her, waking up after a lucid dream doesn't make her happy excited or refreshed. Mainly because for her that's a natural routine. Its something that happens every night. So i don't think its as fun or exciting for her as it is for normal people.

And BTW, I support atheists in many areas, such as the one addressed in this link. If anything needs to be taken down a notch, it's Christmas. Often I've thought that the world would be a much better place if Jesus and Muhammad had never been born.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05...ef=mpstoryview

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And BTW, I support atheists in many areas, such as the one addressed in this link. If anything needs to be taken down a notch, it's Christmas. Often I've thought that the world would be a much better place if Jesus and Muhammad had never been born.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05...ef=mpstoryview

This thread isn't really about you now, is it?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And BTW, I support atheists in many areas, such as the one addressed in this link. If anything needs to be taken down a notch, it's Christmas. Often I've thought that the world would be a much better place if Jesus and Muhammad had never been born.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05...ef=mpstoryview

Arne, I am not very religious myself. However, stop spamming the thread. The fact that you would even consider posting that here means that you probably live in some crap apartment somewhere, and your only real interaction with people is on this website. Please do us all a favor and leave.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And BTW, I support atheists in many areas, such as the one addressed in this link. If anything needs to be taken down a notch, it's Christmas. Often I've thought that the world would be a much better place if Jesus and Muhammad had never been born.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05...ef=mpstoryview

Originally Posted by oniman7

Arne, I am not very religious myself. However, stop spamming the thread. The fact that you would even consider posting that here means that you probably live in some crap apartment somewhere, and your only real interaction with people is on this website. Please do us all a favor and leave.

Yeah, what has religion and Christmas got to do with this thread?
Stick to the rules like everyone else.

What's wrong with your blog...go back to it Prima Donna.

Once she realises she`s in a dream, find a bed in the dream and go to sleep?

Originally Posted by JustSoSick

Once she realises she`s in a dream, find a bed in the dream and go to sleep?

True, that could work... but if she becomes lucid (nearly) every time she sleeps, it may not be any different going to sleep within a dream.

Threads like these make Dizko a sad panda....

Can't she just close her eyes and daydream about random stuff to lose lucidity? Stuff in lucids needs our attention to exist.

Trying to make her LDs stop is BS, the only solution is to learn about LDing, which she could easily do here on this site. If it really is a problem for her, then I look forward to seeing her around the site. But if she's too lazy to bother, that's her problem, and she'll get no sympathy from me.

Waking up all the time is the first hurdle a newb LDer must overcome. It's a little odd she hasn't been able to figure that one out yet. It may just be she doesn't know jack shit about dream control, which a little time browsing this site could easily fix.

Originally Posted by JustSoSick

Once she realises she`s in a dream, find a bed in the dream and go to sleep?

Originally Posted by Mad Stratter

True, that could work... but if she becomes lucid (nearly) every time she sleeps, it may not be any different going to sleep within a dream.

From what she tells me its not. She is still in a lucid dream, she is still aware she is dreaming.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Trying to make her LDs stop is BS, the only solution is to learn about LDing, which she could easily do here on this site. If it really is a problem for her, then I look forward to seeing her around the site. But if she's too lazy to bother, that's her problem, and she'll get no sympathy from me.

Waking up all the time is the first hurdle a newb LDer must overcome. It's a little odd she hasn't been able to figure that one out yet. It may just be she doesn't know jack shit about dream control, which a little time browsing this site could easily fix.

She doesn't want them to stop, she wants them to not happen every single night of the week.

She doesn't wake up all the time. She has plenty dream control. She just becomes lucid every time she dreams.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Trying to make her LDs stop is BS, the only solution is to learn about LDing, which she could easily do here on this site. If it really is a problem for her, then I look forward to seeing her around the site. But if she's too lazy to bother, that's her problem, and she'll get no sympathy from me.

Waking up all the time is the first hurdle a newb LDer must overcome. It's a little odd she hasn't been able to figure that one out yet. It may just be she doesn't know jack shit about dream control, which a little time browsing this site could easily fix.

Why the hostility?

I can understand that it's hard to imagine a scenario in which you don't want to have lucid dreams, seeing as we are all here to increase our lucid dreams.

From what I understand, she's not looking for sympathy; she's looking for help.

Try to relate: have you ever suffered from insomnia? Not just trouble falling asleep now and then, but truly exhausting, anguishing insomnia... you come to a forum looking for help on falling asleep. How much help would it be if someone said "Trying to stop staying awake at night is BS. The only solution to your insomnia is learning about sleep... it may just be that you don't know jackshit about falling asleep, which a little time here could fix."

This site focuses on people who have trouble with LDs learning to have them more, so a reverse of that problem does require special attention.

this is ridicouluse your friend cant sleep becuase she is always lucid , even though shes lucid shes still sleeping , maybe she could sleep inside the dream?

Originally Posted by tekkendreams

this is ridicouluse your friend cant sleep becuase she is always lucid , even though shes lucid shes still sleeping , maybe she could sleep inside the dream?

Have you even read the thread?
This has been suggested a hundred times before, and it doesn't work.
And for her it's clearly not 'ridiculous', but problematic.

Hey. I have the same problem as your friend. It's very frustrating you feel as though you never rest because automation never occurs. I mentally feel like i'm always awake because i'm constantly thinking or doing. I've watched television in dreams, i've read in dreams, and yes I have tried sleeping in dreams. But it just feels like i'm still in the waking state.

Anyway I've found that I cope with this by varying my level of lucidity. You should see if your friend can find a way to tone it down. Let everything else exist and try to become reactive to their dreams. I often keep the majority of my lucidity at bay unless I begin to enter a nightmare in which case I tend to kick things into full gear to put an end to it. So perhaps that will help. My only other suggestion is drink heavily because the simple and dark blackness that a drunken nap can provide is blissful but absolutely terrible for you unfortunately.

For a bit of background I began lucid dreaming when I was about 2-4. In a nightmare there was a strange black and enigmatic apparition with enormous teeth and red eyes. Not very imaginative but for a child of that age it was absolutely terrifying. In my fear I split the creature in two mentally and a blinding white light emerged from the bifurcated area and I woke up. Lucid ever sense.

marijuana! maybe.

The annoying thing is I used to have this 'problem' and now I don't and I miss it dearly

Originally Posted by shotbirds

marijuana! maybe.

Yeah..no.

Originally Posted by joshiejack

The annoying thing is I used to have this 'problem' and now I don't and I miss it dearly

I am a bit fearful of this happening to me in all honesty. Last night I had an encounter with a dog that would have been unfortunate without lucidity.

does she have a second life in her dreams?

Originally Posted by antipatique

does she have a second life in her dreams?

Doubt it. If it's anything like me it's just. . kind of like life continuing. Albeit the events are more fantastic.

Although there are some locations that only exist when i'm dreaming but I think that's normal?

Originally Posted by TheMoon

As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say....

Please stop posting... Thank you

Seconded. Arne, please post helpful links or suggestions or don't post at all.

Moon, there are a lot of threads on this, though I don't have the time to dig them up. They have a lot of suggestions like working on dream control, then teleporting to a location that you find very relaxing. Maybe a bath, maybe a hammock on an tropical island, etc., and just relaxing in the dream. Have her try something like that and see if it at least makes the lucids relaxing and her feel well rested.

Originally Posted by Shift

Seconded. Arne, please post helpful links or suggestions or don't post at all.

May I ask you how you can be so sure that that's not going to be helpful? I know what I'm talking about with regard to that, and you don't. I'm putting it out there. I'm saying, do this and see what happens. Doesn't that strike you as pretty confident? If it doesn't, it should. If I told her to eat a breadstick before bed, I'd have to be pretty confident to post something like that, wouldn't I?

Have a look at my blog, and see whether I strike you as a fool.

And regarding antihistamines, aspirin, sleeping pills, etc. -- I've had many LDs after taking them, so if there's any useless information being offered in this thread, it's that.