Thread: Lucid every night

You cause it by having no doubts that it's easy. Lucidity is a will-force affair, it's like telling yourself that you'll wake up at a certain hour without an alarm clock. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
It works often if you have no doubts and strong desire.

Dooo...doo....doo....a Natural at work...god's selection.

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By creating a myth that there are "naturals" you make sure that you'll never be able to repeat such things, because you're sure that you aren't one It's like throwing a fruit you'd like to eat far away.

Originally Posted by Arutad

By creating a myth that there are "naturals" you make sure that you'll never be able to repeat such things, because you're sure that you aren't one It's like throwing a fruit you'd like to eat far away.

Exactly, just like these posts, it's more important to just keep working hard and striving for the same experiences to help your mind click than to make up excuses for why you can't achieve the same even though you can. There isn't even a set definition of 'natural', but it seems like IamOdin (by my definition, anyway) was one and then had some sort of epiphany that upped his frequency.

I am Odin, probably no one will be able to give you a correct answer on why this happened, because honestly no one really knows yet. Sometimes when I go to sleep and truly expect to become lucid, all the way down to my toes, I'll have a lucid dream that night, and usually I'll be successful at inducing DEILDs when I wake up from that lucid. Unfortunately for me this happens about once every 4 months I believe it's just because I truly believe it's gonna happen and am so firmly resolved that it will, that maybe it's like a MILD and my brain is just on the lookout, who knows. Makes me wonder if I can induce that same feeling and hopefully get the same results

If you want them to go away so you can feel rested, I dunno.... maybe try telling yourself that it's a whole load of bs, and that dream thoughts are usually crazy and irrelevant? Then there are all the techniques I've read about, like WILDing or going to sleep in a dream, going somewhere relaxing, getting a dream massage, etc. to make you feel better rested in the morning if you are a natural and have tons of lucids.

Confidence is the key. Experience gives you more confidence. But we will ultimately fail sometimes, it is very simple there is no trick to master skills imho, hard work and introspection are the keys.

This is my opinion in every thing you do and every skill you learn. I practice martial arts, train psionics, draw... and I've always seen hard work to pay off combined with some self research, you will get far.

And I also believe that true confidence is not just "I WILL SEE LUCID DREAMS TONIGHT!!!!". It's more like I have strong feeling that it will happen, I know I am doing teamwork with my sub-con. That's how I describe it

To original poster : You've somehow got yourself nice frame of mind I've noticed that I am usually in borders of lucidity and regular dream. I can somewhat decide clearly what I do in my dreams, yet I haven't realized that I am in a dream. I've even tried to fight back the urge to do RC sometimes, because I like experimenting with things and my perfect dreamskill would be ability to always induce lucidity by will, but still stay in my regular, non-lucid dreams if I wanted to.

Originally Posted by Shift

Exactly, just like these posts, it's more important to just keep working hard and striving for the same experiences to help your mind click than to make up excuses for why you can't achieve the same even though you can.

It's more like working hard to create sincere interest.

With lucidity the most evil thing is that you can remember only your last dreams. You can be lucid plenty of times and remember none in the morning. And then you think "This night I didn't manage to become lucid"... What a comical situation, haha.

If you want them to go away so you can feel rested, I dunno....

Why so serious, do you actually believe that he's in need of help? Looks like a usual boasting post in disguise to me. "100% lucid 80% of the time", that would mean that he can remember ALL of his dreams per every night.

Originally Posted by Arutad

Why so serious, do you actually believe that he's in need of help? Looks like a usual boasting post in disguise to me. "100% lucid 80% of the time", that would mean that he can remember ALL of his dreams per every night.

Yea I'm like Batman, trying to see the best in people. I'm not one of those 'everyone-is-boasting' people, I assume they're being honest because that's how I am about my lucids and I'm confident in my own ability. If he's boasting he'll ignore it, if he's not maybe I'll say something of value to him, and maybe someone in the future will read it and it may help them.

I don't think he ever said that he remembers every single one of his dreams, but that in his lucid dreams, 80% of the time he becomes fully lucid. I don't know, but I don't tell other people what they were saying. I'll wait for the OP to get back to me before I judge him or misinterpret what he's trying to say.

To Shift : An attitude that earns at least my respect.

To few of that kind of people these days.

You're taking my post way too personally. It's not like I'm blaming you for something bad and you need to write a long detailed post in defense.

Originally Posted by Arutad

You're taking my post way too personally. It's not like I'm blaming you for something bad and you need to write a long detailed post in defense.

Long, detailed posts are usually a good thing, not a bad thing

As for you, Odin, you're one hell of a lucky bastard. Me is jealous. (Now lets try to replicate what you can do. Competition to motivate ftw )

Competition is good

But it's a double-edged sword. I prefer to keep things I feel most strongly about hidden, to avoid problems and frustrations from "failed competition".

Originally Posted by Arutad

Competition is good

But it's a double-edged sword. I prefer to keep things I feel most strongly about hidden, to avoid problems and frustrations from "failed competition".

Gotta agree with that. But as far as I know, everything is a double-edged sword. Can you think of ONE thing that isn't bad in certain concentrations or ways?

guys, PM plz

Hi guys, thanks for replying. I see people mentioned 'hard work' and 'dedication' on a few occasions but I never trained myself in becoming lucid.

I did, however, a few years back after seeing Waking Life tried looking at my watch and 'the light switch technique' but that was long time ago and I did that only a couple of times.

While I do believe that training is of great help to some I always felt like it was counterproductive in my case as I am prehaps lazier than most and felt kinda indifferent towards LDing but if it happens I'll take it.

I don't see what's wrong with being able to remember all of your dreams? I find it easy to recall lucid dreams as they're vivid which makes me think about them all the time during the day. By the time I'm in bed previous night's dream is already stored in my memory as I've thought about it all day long.

Originally Posted by IamOdin

I don't see what's wrong with being able to remember all of your dreams? I find it easy to recall lucid dreams as they're vivid which makes me think about them all the time during the day.

But surely you don't remember all of your lucid dreams? It may seem that they're so vivid that you should remember all, but our capacity to remember back in time is rather limited. How many dreams do you actually remember once you wake up? Not many, and if a lucid one happens to be among them, good. It doesn't mean no lucid dreams happened earlier in the night, unless you can remember that far to be sure.

I think the only chance to remember all lucid dreams would be if you trained yourself to wake up after each one . Hardly possible, you can't be sure that you'll always remember to do it or will always be willing to do it.

Besides, even in a situation of conscious "wanting" or "deciding" to have a lucid dream a particular night, it's a little strange to think that it will always happen just before morning... You decided, your decision would cause lucidity, but you didn't decide when. Even less you decided how much time it would last, how many times it should happen, whether you should remember it or not. Our wishes usually aren't that precise.

You misunderstood completely. Out of those dreams I remember I know how lucid they were. No point in arguing about something that may or may not have happened.

For me it's simple, I'll wake up in the morning and I'll remember what I dreamt just before waking.

As do almost everyone I have talked. I remember usually 5-7 different dreams per night. Sometimes only 3, sometimes none. But I can easily distinquish them from each other, as I usually wake up after each one.

Originally Posted by IamOdin

that I'll be able to become lucid everytime I dream.

Originally Posted by IamOdin

Since then everything triggers it. As soon as I start dreaming I become aware.

You maybe meant that you become lucid almost every night you dream?




Unelias, yeah I wonder if it's humanly possible to remember more dreams!

There is this effect that when you're half-sleepy you can start remembering dreams from yesterday that you haven't remembered before. I guess it means you can remember well only while you're half-asleep, close to that dreamy state of mind, maybe that's why we can't remember many dreams.

Arutad, if that's true, why wouldn't you be able to recall all your dreams of the night, when you can recall them a day later?

And as everyone already has said, you can train dream recall

Originally Posted by Arutad

Unelias, yeah I wonder if it's humanly possible to remember more dreams!

There is this effect that when you're half-sleepy you can start remembering dreams from yesterday that you haven't remembered before. I guess it means you can remember well only while you're half-asleep, close to that dreamy state of mind, maybe that's why we can't remember many dreams.

Well memory is strange.. it is still far from understood by science. But by practice you can develope different ways to use memory, as we know through dream recall. Your brains needs keys to open lost memories. In half-dream state it is quite possible to have high chance to retrieve previous dreams, because you are in a dreamlike state.

I would like to see if one of those savant persons with incredible memory were lucid dreamers, did they remember everything. Because in that point.. well it is quite easy to lose sense of reality if you remember you dreams perfectly.

I have sometimes problem to distinguish whether some incindent happened in dreamworld or the waking one. Luckily, people around me have got used to it

Originally Posted by ThreeLetterSyndrom

Arutad, if that's true, why wouldn't you be able to recall all your dreams of the night, when you can recall them a day later?

Because you wake up too quickly, I think. Somehow dream memories get transferred into normal memory with problems and tend to get lost.

So I don't know, but maybe it's like a difference between long-term memory and short-term memory? Dreams can be stored only in a short-term one. I noticed plenty of times that even if you wake up remembering something, then unless you replay it in your memory again, it's going to be forgotten in a minute. It doesn't stay remembered on its own, you have to replay. And you have to replay a dream as it happened, not as separate moments, otherwise you'll remember only separate moments, and all that was in-between gets forgotten.

Maybe it's not short-term memory, but another kind of memory altogether. I have good short-term memory in awaken state, but it doesn't make me great at remembering plenty of dreams in the morning or something alike.

Training dream memory doesn't work all that well in my experience, too, basically it amounts to training yourself to wake up slowly and focus on dreams patiently replaying them

What about you, how did you train it and what were your results?

Originally Posted by Unelias

Well memory is strange.. it is still far from understood by science. But by practice you can develope different ways to use memory, as we know through dream recall. Your brains needs keys to open lost memories. In half-dream state it is quite possible to have high chance to retrieve previous dreams, because you are in a dreamlike state.

Yep and it's very interesting that you can actually remember a dream moment without being in a half-dreamy state, during the day... I guess it can be explained exactly as you propose, by something triggering it as a key.

But the question is why at one point of time something can trigger a dream memory and at another time it can't? We have plenty of dreams, and yet only a single moment gets triggered sometimes, instead of lots of moments triggered throughout the day. It almost looks like you have to be preoccupied with remembering dreams in order for such an unusual thing to happen.

I have sometimes problem to distinguish whether some incindent happened in dreamworld or the waking one. Luckily, people around me have got used to it

Yeah I know what you mean. Sometimes it's so funny, you remember something vaguely, decide that it must have been a dream, and then find out that it was not! Lol.

Originally Posted by Arutad

What about you, how did you train it and what were your results?

I've only gotten my recall up. I've always remembered my last dream of the night very well (I don't use an alarm, you see). I'm too lazy to do more than 3 dreams per night. Getting out of a dry spell now, though

Originally Posted by Arutad

But the question is why at one point of time something can trigger a dream memory and at another time it can't? We have plenty of dreams, and yet only a single moment gets triggered sometimes, instead of lots of moments triggered throughout the day. It almost looks like you have to be preoccupied with remembering dreams in order for such an unusual thing to happen.

Beats me. At least my mind is not logical I can sometimes suddenly remember things from 10 years or 15 years past. I usually remember nothing from that long ago. Yet some minor thing can awaken those memories.

I could just assume our brain capacity and memory capacity is somewhat limited or at least we haven't yet found ways to fully use it. That's why we need extremely delicate signals or symbols to let us connect with those memories. Dream memories prolly aren't that important to brains as waking world memories, also considering you aren't conscious in most of your dreams. LDs are different of course, but I doubt lucid state is as conscious as waking life state for sake of memories. It's still a dream after all.