How can a natural avoid becoming lucid every night?

[TheMoon]

My friend has a problem. Every night she goes to sleep, she wakes up in here dreams and becomes aware of them, and it becomes a lucid dream... This happens to her every night of the week. So i guess you can call her a natural born lucid dreamer. However from what she has told me. Its not as restful as it is to get normal sleep. She has trouble going to sleep, and sleeping normal sleep because everynight she wakes up in her dreams. Would anyone know anyways to help prevent her from becoming lucid every night? I know some of you guys here are natural lucid dreams who lucid dream every night. Any suggestions i can give my friend to help her sleep normal sleep as well? *double post, forgive me * This ain't a joke, i'm really serious. Any advice could be helpful, feel free to post. Just try not to be negitive.

[Ghost94]

Maybe your friend should go with the flow, you know? When she realizes that she is dreaming, she could try to just forget about it.

[Atrox]

If resolving to have lucid dreams may work for us mere mortals who struggle to have them, resolving not to have a lucid dream before falling asleep might help your friend. If that doesn't work, deliberately distracting herself in her LD might actually work. That, or she could transfer some of her LDs on my Lucid Dream savings account. I'd be happy

[LucidDreamGod]

It is odd that this is far from the first time I'm read something like this. First off It is something to be treasured and not just a problem, and anyway there is nothing much she could do besides go with the flow and try to kind of lose as much conscious awareness as she can, she should try to get distracted and not think internally with words I would suggest, and focus on the dream and get lost in it.

[arby]

I think I'd need more info on her to really make a judgment to what the problem is. The bottem line is: being aware that you are dreaming does not create a less restful sleep. It is generally a byproduct of lucidity that will create restless sleep such as having an excessively active mind or processing powerful emotions or even perhaps triggering adrenalin rushes... Overall, I encourage her to take a passive role in her dreams. What i've seen happen with most naturals is they tend to let the story play itself out or perhaps even (through easing your awareness) enter a semi-lucid state. I'd personally reccomend exploring this path to her.

[arne saknussemm]

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs.

[Gez]

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs. Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right?

[drewmandan]

Tell her to take sleeping pills or antihistamines. Those will kill her consciousness during sleep. Problem solved.

[arby]

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right? Uh, no. There are people like this. Tell her to take sleeping pills or antihistamines. Those will kill her consciousness during sleep. Problem solved. I wouldn't recommend seeking a solution through chemistry. Solving it without popping pills is always better in the end.

[John11]

Uh, no. There are people like this. He was just taking a jab at Arne. It was sarcasm.

[Mad Stratter]

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs. Useful for YOU and your little dream-cult. Not useful in the sense that it will help her in anyway To the original poster, don't waste your time with this nutjob. If you need to see why, just check out some of his old threads and posts. There's a relatively new one that was closed a few days ago floating around here somewhere...

[arby]

He was just taking a jab at Arne. It was sarcasm. Oh, arne is male so I thought he wasn't talking about arne XD

[TheMoon]

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right? Uh, no. There are people like this. Yes there are. Also i was in love with her at one point, so i trust her pretty well, and i know shes not lieing. Tell her to take sleeping pills or antihistamines. Those will kill her consciousness during sleep. Problem solved. I wouldn't recommend seeking a solution through chemistry. Solving it without popping pills is always better in the end. Yeah shes already taking enough meds, she doesn't need more to add on top of that. Also yes i also believe that seeking unnatural things is not the best thing to do if there is a all - natural option. Only seek unnatural methods when no natural methods exist.... Useful for YOU and your little dream-cult. Not useful in the sense that it will help her in anyway To the original poster, don't waste your time with this nutjob. If you need to see why, just check out some of his old threads and posts. There's a relatively new one that was closed a few days ago floating around here somewhere... Yeah i don't have to. My friend really wants some help with this, however im posting for her because she didn't want to have to deal with.....People like him... But i have no problem with it. I will ask her to read this thread of course and see if any of this helps her or not. However please keep posting any ideas / thoughts you may have which could help her. Id like to stress that even tho this may seem like a joke, its really not. Most of us here are doing are best to manage to lucid dream every night and it happens for her with no problem....But for her it just happens naturally. However, the grass looks greener on the other side and such of course. Just because we would all like to lucid dream every night of the week, im sure you would get tired of it after a while as well. I guess that's the irony. Everyone who cant lucid dream every night wants to lucid dream every night, and those who can lucid dream every night don't want to lucid dream every night... No matter what we cant be happy unless we find someway to balance things out. So that's what i'm asking. What can my friend do to help her balance things out. How can she not wake up and become lucid in her dreams. She would really appreciate any help you guys can give her. Even if it seems like it wouldn't help, post it anyways, maybe it could help her even if you don't think it would.... But yes once again, i promise this ain't no lie.... She really could use the help. I wouldn't waste my time and your time if it wasen't.

[acatalephobic]

I agree with arby. Praying/meditating or repeating mantras that would reinforce the idea of getting better sleep, or dreaming non-lucidly might help. If your friend has a strong ability to use mind over matter (seems to be the case with alot of naturals), she should try to apply this idea to her desired end, like getting more restful sleep. Also, from my experience, I find that lucidity is more easily obtained when I've already had more restful sleep earlier in the night (ie. naps, sleeping longer than usual, or waking up and deciding to sleep longer). She could try going to bed only when her mind and body is tired, which should decrease the amount of REM sleep, and trigger her body/mind to switch to deeper sleep.

[TheMoon]

I agree with arby. Praying/meditating or repeating mantras that would reinforce the idea of getting better sleep, or dreaming non-lucidly might help. If your friend has a strong ability to use mind over matter (seems to be the case with alot of naturals), she should try to apply this idea to her desired end, like getting more restful sleep. Also, from my experience, I find that lucidity is more easily obtained when I've already had more restful sleep earlier in the night (ie. naps, sleeping longer than usual, or waking up and deciding to sleep longer). She could try going to bed only when her mind and body is tired, which should decrease the amount of REM sleep, and trigger her body/mind to switch to deeper sleep. Ummmm??? Where the heck did arby talk about meditation or praying or repeating mantras? No really, he never said nothing about that from what i just read....

[arne saknussemm]

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right? It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful.

[DarkLucideity]

It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful. You don't get it, do you? She doesn't want to lucid dream every night because it's tiring. As TheMoon just explained, it might seem like a waste to you, but to her it's not. Let me fix what you said, "I have plenty for her to do that's very useful... for me."

[Mad Stratter]

What's her exercise regimen like? If it's low, it may help if she increased her physical activity; more exercise tends to make you sleep much more soundly. Also, perhaps meditation every night before bed might work? Not meditation on a particular mantra, necessarily, as acatalephobic suggested out of... somewhere... but just plain old meditation to clear her mind. If she were to just sit and clear her mind, letting all thoughts pass by until there were few, if any, left (however long that took, 20 minutes, half an hour, an hour or more...) there may not be much left for her to dream about floating around in her subconscious. If all else fails, drugs may help... but drugs should be a last resort. If drug tests aren't an issue, I'd recommend taking a hit or two off a doobie before bed as a first course of chemical treatment; marijuana (it's medicine and it's natural) would have the fewest side effects, and seems to nearly eliminate dreaming in many people (assuming she doesn't smoke already, that is...) Valerian and/or chamomile tea might help; both are natural and relaxing, and for myself atleast, do not increase lucid dreaming. Some people say that valerian increases LDs for them though, so this may not work. It might help if she could provide us with a list of ideas she has already tried that have failed.

[TheMoon]

It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful. Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life. I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time. She has slept normal sleep once in a while. But normal she wakes up and becomes lucid. Then she has to participate in her lucid dreams. Overall, I encourage her to take a passive role in her dreams. What i've seen happen with most naturals is they tend to let the story play itself out or perhaps even (through easing your awareness) enter a semi-lucid state. I'd personally reccomend exploring this path to her. Im going to tell her about this. So rather then her trying to do anything, just let the dream happen. I don't know if this will help her or not however. But i will let her know, and let you know.

[acatalephobic]

If resolving to have lucid dreams may work for us mere mortals who struggle to have them, resolving not to have a lucid dream before falling asleep might help your friend. If that doesn't work, deliberately distracting herself in her LD might actually work. That, or she could transfer some of her LDs on my Lucid Dream savings account. I'd be happy Oops. I attributed that quote wrong, I should've referred to Atrox's reply. When he talked about "resolving not to have a lucid dream", I think of what helps me to lucid dream. I repeat amntras that encourage it, pray that I might have a meaningful dream, or meditate on the possibility that lucidity may be meaningful. It just a way of making that mindset more possible, to encourage a desired end. If your friend believes that she will always be lucid, and therefore lose sleep...perhaps mind-over-matter is preventing her from doing the opposite. By using the same mind-over-matter principle, maybe she could encourage herself to believe she can get restful sleep, and therefore make it a reality. Just an idea. Sorry about the confusion.

[arne saknussemm]

>>Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life. I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.<< I'll tell you what. Have her do my task. The next time she has an LD, have her shout out as loudly as she can, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?'' (Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.) PM me the answer that comes back to her, and we'll see what can be done from there.

[DreamChaser]

Yes, it has been stated many natural or developed Lucid dreamers meditate and use their lucidity to develop themselves and become a better or broader person. As said before she could take a passive role and watch her mind work and relax watching. She is as you say in full control. Lastly, I have always felt energised after lucidity and so happy. It is strange she feels drained. We dont dream all night so she should have the same time as us in non-REM sleep to rest.

[arne saknussemm]

Lastly, I have always felt energised after lucidity and so happy. It is strange she feels drained. We dont dream all night so she should have the same time as us in non-REM sleep to rest. That depends on what happens in the dream. Something happened to me once in an LD that left me wiped out and staggering around for a day and a half.

[TheMoon]

>>Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life. I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.<< I'll tell you what. Have her do my task. The next time she has an LD, have her shout out as loudly as she can, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?'' (Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.) PM me the answer that comes back to her, and we'll see what can be done from there. As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say.... Please stop posting... Thank you

[arne saknussemm]

As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say.... Please stop posting... Thank you I'm every bit as serious as you are, and a good deal more serious than many people who post here. I can guarantee you that. Just have her try it. There's nothing to lose from trying it.