extended non-local conscience - spell rudiments.

[rommany]

if breathing is not free and clear, consider remedy. Stay awake for 72+ hours make sure you are not bored while awake. try not to day dream. stay still during this time. remain hungry during this time eat small quantities of raw crunchy plants if needed. remain as cool as to be uncomfortable. stretch your body slowly. (yoga will work) then let yourself drift off for 2hrs on a hard mat or 2 seater couch that is not big enough for you to lie down comfortably. discomfort of any kind while napping helps be sure you are woken after 2hrs stay awake for 4hrs sleep for 2hrs repeat until you notice that you are no longer awake. when this happen, you may feel very creepy if you can relax into the creepiness your in. start off where you are as if you were awake in real time. move on from there as needed. This can get quite scary, Tibetan or Hindi theology may guide you through the visions. If you get through , you may be forgiven. get used to sleep paralysis while waking. Don't try this If you are a sleep walker. A sleep walking lucid dreamer will often seem psychotic to an observer.

[spockman]

Hello rommany! Welcome to the forums. This is certainly interesting, but may do better in beyond dreaming. Awaiting a second opinion...

[rommany]

WARNING : Always regulate temperature, hydration (not too cool)

[benTENDO]

This is certainly interesting, but may do better in beyond dreaming. I disagree. Rommany is suggesting you deprive yourself of sleep and use his technique to gain lucidity..Nothing beyond dreaming about this. We consider WILDs a journey of the transition of wake to sleep, but we are unable to accept this the same? Moving it to beyond dreaming is not a way to show you how much we disagree that it's valid. I don't understand at all, why have you moved this then? It is sleep it is dreaming it is lucid it is extended Sounds..not abnormal (for a lucid dream forum)

[DuB]

I disagree. Rommany is suggesting you deprive yourself of sleep and use his technique to gain lucidity..Nothing beyond dreaming about this. ... I don't understand at all, why have you moved this then? I don't know, much of what the author is describing seems like just a bizarre induction technique, but passages like the following make me wonder: non-local consciousness refers to a state of consciousness that is external to you physical locality, extended in this case refers to the duration of the experience Not to mention referring to the whole affair as a "spell." These may just be instances of poor translation at work -- or maybe not. In any case I see both sides of the issue.

[spockman]

I disagree. Rommany is suggesting you deprive yourself of sleep and use his technique to gain lucidity..Nothing beyond dreaming about this. We consider WILDs a journey of the transition of wake to sleep, but we are unable to accept this the same? I don't understand at all, why have you moved this then? Sounds..not abnormal (for a lucid dream forum) I was unsure about the move, thus why I waited for a second opinion. I do stand by the decision, though. The thread starter mentions this as being a spell rudiment as well as using various Tibetan/Hindu theologies to counter the problems you face. OBEs have also been discussed, (and were implied with the extended conciousness comment.) This is of course not invalidating. I don't mean that at all. Simply, the thread will do better in BD as it is founded on multiple BD principles. I hope it can be discussed well, though.

[benTENDO]

The thread starter mentions this as being a spell rudiment as well as using various Tibetan/Hindu theologies to counter the problems you face. OBEs have also been discussed, (and were implied with the extended conciousness comment.) I'm not sure why they refered to it being a spell.. I would like to assume that the use of the word isn't what it seems, they could be referring to ending a dry spell or they might have just meant technique, not spell. The use of Tibetan/Hindu theologies to counter the problems you face cannot be a reason to put this in beyond dreaming, doing that would be the same as going to any post talking about using meditation to control dreams and putting them in beyond dreaming. I don't think OBEs were a part of discussion, they brought it up as a comparison.. The comments about extended consciousness were talking about normal dreams. The op seems to believe in dreams you have a different state of awareness and conscious thought, or at least that's what I got out of it. I think you should take the original thread and place it back into attaining lucidity, but move the other comments to a discussion on something to do with "extended consciousness in dreams" and leave them in the beyond dreaming forum. I hope it can be discussed well, though. You put it in beyond dreaming..when is anything discussed well here?

[spockman]

You put it in beyond dreaming..when is anything discussed well here? Frequently, actually. Most of people in BD are here to legitimantly discuss the subject matter of beyond dreaming. The use of BD elements in the OP made it more likely that the threads topics wouldn't be fully explored in any other section. All beyond dreaming means is that the topic relates to something that goes farther then just our minds. An extended conciousness-that relates to out of body experiences and the after-life by using lucid induction methods is certianly an interesting topic, but one that better belongs here. At any rate, I feel poorly now as it seems this discussion has hi-jacked the thread a bit. And I would like the thread starter to be satisfied with the discussion on the actual thread.

[Snowy Egypt]

You put it in beyond dreaming..when is anything discussed well here? I put it in here for a few days, and it turned out okay. No BD talk has transpired. No fights. Civil talk. Rommany, thank you for the clarification, and I apologize for the confusion. This will be moved back to Attaining, and all posts will be left as is.

[Licity]

if breathing is not free and clear, consider remedy. Stay awake for 72+ hours make sure you are not bored while awake. try not to day dream. stay still during this time. remain hungry during this time eat small quantities of raw crunchy plants if needed. remain as cool as to be uncomfortable. stretch your body slowly. (yoga will work) then let yourself drift off for 2hrs on a hard mat or 2 seater couch that is not big enough for you to lie down comfortably. discomfort of any kind while napping helps be sure you are woken after 2hrs stay awake for 4hrs sleep for 2hrs repeat until you notice that you are no longer awake. when this happen, you may feel very creepy if you can relax into the creepiness your in. start off where you are as if you were awake in real time. move on from there as needed. This can get quite scary, Tibetan or Hindi theology may guide you through the visions. If you get through , you may be forgiven. get used to sleep paralysis while waking. Don't try this If you are a sleep walker. A sleep walking lucid dreamer will often seem psychotic to an observer. Sleep deprive myself for three consecutive days, starve myself, freeze myself, lie down in the most uncomfortable place I can find, then nap repeatedly until I find myself in a FA. Then again, I could also wind up being scared from not reading enough Eastern theology and experience episodes of SP while awake and seem psychotic to everyone around me...

[dreamingofdreaming]

This can get quite scary, Tibetan or Hindi theology may guide you through the visions. If you get through , you may be forgiven. uhhhhhh >>>>beyond dreaming

[Snowy Egypt]

uhhhhhh >>>>beyond dreaming Hello rommany! Welcome to the forums. This is certainly interesting, but may do better in beyond dreaming? Awaiting a second opinion... I concur. If anyone feels this isn't a proper thread move, please PM me or any Dream Guide.

[rommany]

that's what the doc says, but i swear it works every time It is sleep it is dreaming it is lucid it is extended save this method for special occasions.

[Licity]

that's what the doc says, but i swear it works every time It is sleep it is dreaming it is lucid it is extended save this method for special occasions. It is also very dangerous to perform for a wide multitude of reasons.

[rommany]

If you remain hydrated, and do not become hypothermic It is quite safe, In fact it is very good for you physically , mentally and spiritually you can go without proper thermoregulation for about 3 hrs you can go with out water for about 3 days (don't try this) you can go without food, for 3 months 3 days is mild sleep depravation. You will experience natural neuro-chemical shifts that facilitate the journey.

[wet_roof113]

I don't know what extended non-local conscience is.

[rommany]

3 days is mild sleep depravation . You will experience natural neuro-chemical shifts that facilitate the journey.