Thread: Oddities that I need help with

Yes that was HI. Try not to concentrate on them as much and they should soon develop into full dream scenes.

As for the WBTB thing... what seems to work for most people is to actually get out of bed for about 10 mins, go to the bathroom, read a chaper in a book, or something. Not enough for you to get too awake, but enough time for a successful WBTB.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Conzo

Yes that was HI. Try not to concentrate on them as much and they should soon develop into full dream scenes.

As for the WBTB thing... what seems to work for most people is to actually get out of bed for about 10 mins, go to the bathroom, read a chaper in a book, or something. Not enough for you to get too awake, but enough time for a successful WBTB.

Good luck!

But if I don't concentrate on it, I generally just pass out.

Also, is it possible that I enter REM sleep immediately?

Originally Posted by Leonix

But if I don't concentrate on it, I generally just pass out.

Also, is it possible that I enter REM sleep immediately?

This is why people usually count their breaths, so they don't end up falling asleep. Watching the HI more like a movie, just letting the images passively roll through your mind without concentrating on them too much. Sit back and enjoy the scenery, but don't think about what you are seeing too much or else they go away.

And yes during a WBTB you generally go straight into a REM sleep which is why people use it for a good time to WILD.

Originally Posted by Conzo

This is why people usually count their breaths, so they don't end up falling asleep. Watching the HI more like a movie, just letting the images passively roll through your mind without concentrating on them too much. Sit back and enjoy the scenery, but don't think about what you are seeing too much or else they go away.

And yes during a WBTB you generally go straight into a REM sleep which is why people use it for a good time to WILD.

No no, by enter it immediately, I mean right when I get into bed for the first time of the night.

Also, i've never ever experienced sleep paralysis, no matter how hard I try.

Originally Posted by Leonix

No no, by enter it immediately, I mean right when I get into bed for the first time of the night.

Also, i've never ever experienced sleep paralysis, no matter how hard I try.

Then no, your body does not go directly into REM when you first go to sleep. In fact REM sleep is the 5th stage of sleep you enter.

http://dreamviews.com/sleepstages.php

As for SP, how long are you trying for? What is your technique?

Originally Posted by Conzo

Then no, your body does not go directly into REM when you first go to sleep. In fact REM sleep is the 5th stage of sleep you enter.

http://dreamviews.com/sleepstages.php

As for SP, how long are you trying for? What is your technique?

Well how can I get hypnagogic imagery immediately, once lying down for the first time going to sleep?

And I was trying Jeff777's tutorial.

Seeing HI and entering REM sleep are two totally different things. HI are just thoughts from your brain being turned into visual images or auditory sounds. When you are dreaming, your brain is sending out totally different brain waves, and you are acually dreaming like its the real world.

Anyone can get HI when first going to sleep. You can even enter SP. You just won't go into REM sleep directly, thus, you won't WILD. You would end up sitting there in SP waiting for the dreams to come which is why some people who have done WILD when going to bed report trying for at least an hour before finally entering a very short lucid dream because REM stages are very short during the beginning of your sleep. This is why WBTB are very successful for WILD because your brain is ready for a long REM sleep cycle, plus having already been to sleep, get to REM much faster then when going to bed.