Thread: PSI abilities, ARE THEY REAL!?!

I remember watching something on the Discovery Channel about Remote Viewing and Telepathy and about half the people were able to Remote view.
As for ET's, Every star is a Galaxy, correct? How is it NOT possible that there might be another Planet just like Earth?

Originally Posted by Chaos Theory

As for ET's, Every star is a Galaxy, correct? How is it NOT possible that there might be another Planet just like Earth?

Most, probably even all of us here believe that there is life out there. Just not out "here".

Originally Posted by jaketheoriginal

*thirdly: "Whether you believe that you can do something, or believe that you cannot. You are always right." - Henry Ford.

but understand, you dont need any information. Willpower is enough alone.
Concentration, relaxation, and commitment/determination.

That approach only applies to dissolving mental blockages - yes, the brain can affect the brain. If you think lowly of yourself, an attitude change can easily improve your life. However, there is no reason to believe that willpower or determination will noticeably affect the physical world outside of the human body any more than laziness or apathy. That is wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by Chaos Theory

As for ET's, Every star is a Galaxy, correct? How is it NOT possible that there might be another Planet just like Earth?

Every star is a galaxy? No that could never happen. In size of things it goes-

Universe-> Galaxies-> Stars-> Planets-> etcetera

But if you are saying that every star has a solar system then I believe most but not all do.

We are not debating whether planets like Earth exist as that is a near mathematical certainty due to the size of the Universe, however we are debating whether life-forms on said planets have visited Earth and possible (and highly hypothetical) means in which they could/have visited us.

Basically we're now talking about faster-than-light travel, although a better name would be faster-than-electromagnetic-waves travel as light belongs to the electromgnetic spectrum which all (from radio waves to gamma rays) travel at the same speed.

Originally Posted by goldney

Every star is a galaxy? No that could never happen. In size of things it goes-

Universe-> Galaxies-> Stars-> Planets-> etcetera

But if you are saying that every star has a solar system then I believe most but not all do.

We are not debating whether planets like Earth exist as that is a near mathematical certainty due to the size of the Universe, however we are debating whether life-forms on said planets have visited Earth and possible (and highly hypothetical) means in which they could/have visited us.

Basically we're now talking about faster-than-light travel, although a better name would be faster-than-electromagnetic-waves travel as light belongs to the electromgnetic spectrum which all (from radio waves to gamma rays) travel at the same speed.

Your right, sorry. Lol. I meant Solar System. Haha.
I already know. As for ET"s visiting Earth, I absolutely have no idea. Some people I know say that it's all the Military covering it up. I remember once one of my Parents told me that a UFO had hovered over Redondo ( Spelling? ) For at least half an hour and people were calling into the Radio saying " There's a UFO! "

However, there is no reason to believe that willpower or determination will noticeably affect the physical world outside of the human body any more than laziness or apathy. That is wishful thinking.

thegnome54 I would not quite say that. To the contrary, science itself tells us that there is every reason to believe that willpower can affect the physical world outside of the human body. Allow me to explain before the attacks, please. Thoughts and expectations can certainly affect the physical world around you. Since you're a science guy, it's been proven many times, and it's pretty old news. Ever heard of that series of experiments done with living organisms? Two sets of identical organisms were placed into different rooms. The only difference in the rooms were that one had angry people who were full of hate or were arguing with their spouse, etc. They would scream, and yell and say terrible things. We'll call that room A. In the other room, there were people to the complete opposite. People who were content and happy with their lives, and said positive things constantly. Newlyweds, hippies, etc. We'll call that room B.

The organisms in room A after a certain period of time (i can't remember how long)were dying, rotting, shrivelled, brown (the one with water crystals) was distorted and small. Whereas the organisms in room B were healthy, in good order, beautiful, full grown, the water crystals done were clear and large and sparkly. Coincidence? Perhaps. Unless this experiment was done hundreds of times with different variables and the same results were reached and overwhelming majority of the time.

Watch a movie called "the secret". There's a book also, but the movie goes more in-depth if you ask me. The concept is that your thoughts have an effect on reality. And they do. If you were in a bad neighborhood, and you felt an overwhelming sense of fear, even if you didn't show it, and even if you're a big dude, people would likely fuck with you or try to do something to you. To the contrary, if you were confident, unafraid, and knew you could kick everyone's ass, no one would mess with you, even if you were a little dude. No one would know why they react to you the way they do, they just do it.

And it's because people can pick up on your emotions. It gives off a vibe. If you give off a vibe that says "if you talk to me I will rip your face off" people won't talk to you. Even if you look normal, look content, etc., people will be less likely to talk to you than if you put off a vibe that says "i love everyone and I want to meet new friends and party". Even if you looked reserved, people would be more likely to talk to you even if you're a complete stranger.

And those are just examples with humans. Those are more common sense ideas than the ideas that are in "The Secret", but they are all true, and they are all proved within the movie/book. I'd take a look at it, it's pretty interesting.

Originally Posted by Rainman

thegnome54 I would not quite say that. To the contrary, science itself tells us that there is every reason to believe that willpower can affect the physical world outside of the human body. Allow me to explain before the attacks, please. Thoughts and expectations can certainly affect the physical world around you. Since you're a science guy, it's been proven many times, and it's pretty old news. Ever heard of that series of experiments done with living organisms? Two sets of identical organisms were placed into different rooms. The only difference in the rooms were that one had angry people who were full of hate or were arguing with their spouse, etc. They would scream, and yell and say terrible things. We'll call that room A. In the other room, there were people to the complete opposite. People who were content and happy with their lives, and said positive things constantly. Newlyweds, hippies, etc. We'll call that room B.

The organisms in room A after a certain period of time (i can't remember how long)were dying, rotting, shrivelled, brown (the one with water crystals) was distorted and small. Whereas the organisms in room B were healthy, in good order, beautiful, full grown, the water crystals done were clear and large and sparkly. Coincidence? Perhaps. Unless this experiment was done hundreds of times with different variables and the same results were reached and overwhelming majority of the time.

Watch a movie called "the secret". There's a book also, but the movie goes more in-depth if you ask me. The concept is that your thoughts have an effect on reality. And they do. If you were in a bad neighborhood, and you felt an overwhelming sense of fear, even if you didn't show it, and even if you're a big dude, people would likely fuck with you or try to do something to you. To the contrary, if you were confident, unafraid, and knew you could kick everyone's ass, no one would mess with you, even if you were a little dude. No one would know why they react to you the way they do, they just do it.

And it's because people can pick up on your emotions. It gives off a vibe. If you give off a vibe that says "if you talk to me I will rip your face off" people won't talk to you. Even if you look normal, look content, etc., people will be less likely to talk to you than if you put off a vibe that says "i love everyone and I want to meet new friends and party". Even if you looked reserved, people would be more likely to talk to you even if you're a complete stranger.

And those are just examples with humans. Those are more common sense ideas than the ideas that are in "The Secret", but they are all true, and they are all proved within the movie/book. I'd take a look at it, it's pretty interesting.

First of all, what is a water crystal? Do you mean ice? I fail to see the connection between a 'large and clear' ice particle and happiness, unless you're relying purely on the human idea of beauty and purity, which has nothing to do with the objective structure of ice.

Yes, people can pick up your emotions. That's common sense. Your thoughts are not affecting them, they are affecting your body, which is betraying your thoughts to the watchful eyes of those around you. Were you walking through the city in an opaque box which rolled around you, concealing you from view, your thoughts would MIRACULOUSLY cease to affect those around you.

I think I have heard of that movie, and they make a completely ridiculous assumption - that human thoughts and wishes will manifest themselves physically, JUST from the act of thinking.

Now obviously, if you concentrate on a wish, you will be more likely to work at achieving the goal, and maybe your demeanor in everyday life will help you along. Fine. But to say that if you sit in bed all day and wish to win the lottery, then you will, is ridiculous, because you STILL HAVE TO BUY A TICKET.

People can indeed pick up on your emotions. Inanimate objects cannot. If you don't believe me, go outside and throw a brick up in the air about ten feet above your head. As it's falling towards your skull, WISH as hard as you can that it won't kill you. I'm sure the results will be interesting.

*edit* by the way, the REAL secret is to make a movie about new-age nonsensically simple ways to be successful in life and make millions of dollars off of the dreams of gullible plebeians. Then, at least your pockets will be lined, and your dreams fulfilled.

People can indeed pick up on your emotions. Inanimate objects cannot. If you don't believe me, go outside and throw a brick up in the air about ten feet above your head. As it's falling towards your skull, WISH as hard as you can that it won't kill you. I'm sure the results will be interesting.

I think I have heard of that movie, and they make a completely ridiculous assumption - that human thoughts and wishes will manifest themselves physically, JUST from the act of thinking.

You clearly have no idea what it's actually about. The movie makes no such assumption whatsoever. Watch it and see for yourself, before you make assumptions on what it's about. I don't know who told you it was about wishing things would happen and they happen. It actually says the contrary. It is about taking action, and being positive about what you want, and you will always get it, even if it seems like something that cannot be done. Within reasonability of course. It has worked for millions of people, including myself.

First of all, what is a water crystal? Do you mean ice? I fail to see the connection between a 'large and clear' ice particle and happiness, unless you're relying purely on the human idea of beauty and purity, which has nothing to do with the objective structure of ice.

The experiment was done with several different organisms and plants and it was done hundreds of times with the same results. Even you cannot denounce that, although I am certain that you will find a way to try, as it is a skeptic's nature. There were controls done as well. Every combination was done and recorded. If you don't believe me, watch "what the bleep do we know?". I believe that is the movie that covers a portion of those experiments, or re-does them.

On a side note, I appreciate your civility in debates. I've always been grateful for people who prove their point respectfully, especially since there are so few members like that on DV.

Originally Posted by Rainman

It actually says the contrary. It is about taking action, and being positive about what you want, and you will always get it, even if it seems like something that cannot be done.

A bit of a paltry secret, no? I think you're the one misunderstanding the movie's premise. I really think that the movie is implying that your wishes and your determination will affect things which are not sentient beings, resulting in the fulfillment of said wishes.

Originally Posted by Rainman

The experiment was done with several different organisms and plants and it was done hundreds of times with the same results. Even you cannot denounce that, although I am certain that you will find a way to try, as it is a skeptic's nature. There were controls done as well. Every combination was done and recorded. If you don't believe me, watch "what the bleep do we know?". I believe that is the movie that covers a portion of those experiments, or re-does them.

I'm sorry, but I still don't know what a water crystal is.

Also, I'm not denouncing the results, I'm denouncing the interpretation. As I believe that the human mind is entirely physical, this could be interpreted in a number of different ways. First of all, if the plants are locked in this room, perhaps angry people generate more body heat and moisture, which is bad for the plants. Second of all, humans have a (presumably) vestigial vomeronasal organ which appears to be built to detect pheromones. I am aware that research in this area is limited and of questionable merit, but it is very possible that angry human beings release certain chemicals which happy ones do not. Maybe plants are simply sensitive to high levels of noise, and this disrupts some physiological process inside of them. It is also possible that the angry people generate more air currents, or any number of easy-to-overlook little factors could be coming into play.

The only way that I would really trust such an experiment would be if the physical human being was somehow isolated from the plant. For example, if the plants were placed in sound-proof area, thermally and atmospherically separate from the humans, and then the test was conducted. It seems like there will always be trouble with isolating the physical effects of human emotions on plants from the alleged 'mental' effects on the plants.

A bit of a paltry secret, no? I think you're the one misunderstanding the movie's premise. I really think that the movie is implying that your wishes and your determination will affect things which are not sentient beings, resulting in the fulfillment of said wishes.

You really think...but I really know, cause I've seen it and you haven't, period. I am not misunderstanding the movie's premise. Watch it, trust me, you'll see. It's a decent combination of both, but they repeatedly and strongly emphasize that it's not about wishing, it's about action, and for things that are out of reach, positivity will aid you the rest of the way.

I'm sorry, but I still don't know what a water crystal is.

Neither do I. :p that's just what I remember hearing. Irrelevant, however, because as I said, the experiment was done with plants, and small organisms as well.

I'm denouncing the interpretation. As I believe that the human mind is entirely physical, this could be interpreted in a number of different ways. First of all, if the plants are locked in this room, perhaps angry people generate more body heat and moisture, which is bad for the plants. Second of all, humans have a (presumably) vestigial vomeronasal organ which appears to be built to detect pheromones.

Hmm. Checkmate. You got me there, mate, there's not much I can say to counter that. It is quite likely that you're correct, now that I'm thinking about it. Heh. You might one day convert me to skepticism

The only way that I would really trust such an experiment would be if the physical human being was somehow isolated from the plant. For example, if the plants were placed in sound-proof area, thermally and atmospherically separate from the humans, and then the test was conducted. It seems like there will always be trouble with isolating the physical effects of human emotions on plants from the alleged 'mental' effects on the plants.

No, the theory implies that the human would have to be near the plant. But also, not all of the people were speaking. They brought depression patients in, etc. They weren't yelling or screaming AT the plant, many times, the people were not within 10 feet of it. However, I still think your point holds validity because of pheromone release. Pheromones are something I don't know much about other than the fact that non-human organisms and animals can pick up on them much more strongly than we can. That would certainly be an interesting variable to test out.

Alas, noone has bothered to answer DopeyGuy's question.

Originally Posted by Rainman

thegnome54 I would not quite say that. To the contrary, science itself tells us that there is every reason to believe that willpower can affect the physical world outside of the human body. Allow me to explain before the attacks, please. Thoughts and expectations can certainly affect the physical world around you. Since you're a science guy, it's been proven many times, and it's pretty old news. Ever heard of that series of experiments done with living organisms? Two sets of identical organisms were placed into different rooms. The only difference in the rooms were that one had angry people who were full of hate or were arguing with their spouse, etc. They would scream, and yell and say terrible things. We'll call that room A. In the other room, there were people to the complete opposite. People who were content and happy with their lives, and said positive things constantly. Newlyweds, hippies, etc. We'll call that room B.

The organisms in room A after a certain period of time (i can't remember how long)were dying, rotting, shrivelled, brown (the one with water crystals) was distorted and small. Whereas the organisms in room B were healthy, in good order, beautiful, full grown, the water crystals done were clear and large and sparkly. Coincidence? Perhaps. Unless this experiment was done hundreds of times with different variables and the same results were reached and overwhelming majority of the time.

Watch a movie called "the secret". There's a book also, but the movie goes more in-depth if you ask me. The concept is that your thoughts have an effect on reality. And they do. If you were in a bad neighborhood, and you felt an overwhelming sense of fear, even if you didn't show it, and even if you're a big dude, people would likely fuck with you or try to do something to you. To the contrary, if you were confident, unafraid, and knew you could kick everyone's ass, no one would mess with you, even if you were a little dude. No one would know why they react to you the way they do, they just do it.

And it's because people can pick up on your emotions. It gives off a vibe. If you give off a vibe that says "if you talk to me I will rip your face off" people won't talk to you. Even if you look normal, look content, etc., people will be less likely to talk to you than if you put off a vibe that says "i love everyone and I want to meet new friends and party". Even if you looked reserved, people would be more likely to talk to you even if you're a complete stranger.

And those are just examples with humans. Those are more common sense ideas than the ideas that are in "The Secret", but they are all true, and they are all proved within the movie/book. I'd take a look at it, it's pretty interesting.

So basically your trying to say that organisms can pick up human emotions and/or hear English language ECT. I highly doubt it. If it aint a coincidence maby it has to do with the yelling harming them (Idk).

Sorry, I have no strong opionion, but I doubt thats true.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

Alas, noone has bothered to answer DopeyGuy's question.

He hasn't been here since January, but I'll go ahead and post an answer. Although all of his questions have been answered anyway...

Originally Posted by DopeyGuy

Are psi abilities real or not? I mean, how come many people in this forum claim they have those "powers", but they do not prove it, and if they do have those powers, how come scientists are not putting them into their labs and start doing some testings? If psi abilities are real, i don't need any videos that show they are real because those videos can be edited.
Oh yeah, if these things are real, how come they are in websites, but not the news channel on tv?

1) Yes, they are real.
2) What makes you think people are even interested in attempting to provide proof to others? They have nothing to gain from travelling to where you live, just to provide you with evidence that you wouldn't even accept. Sure, someone could try to use telepathy on you while you're both on a chat, but if they were either not very skilled or were having an off day then you'd instantly dismiss psionics as fake.
3) Yes, because everyone enjoys nothing more than to be expirimented on. Besides, as has been said, most scientists pretty much refuse to believe it's possible anyway.
4) Of course they can be edited, which is why the best way to find the proof you want is to find it yourself.
5) Hah, there's a laugh. Do you have any idea what would happen to any respectable news channel that tried to say anything paranormal is real? I can tell you this much, whoever decided to put that on the air would be fired in a heartbeat, assuming the news station's reputation wasn't already irreparably torn to shreds.

Originally Posted by Bad Wolf

He hasn't been here since January, but I'll go ahead and post an answer. Although all of his questions have been answered anyway...



1) Yes, they are real.
2) What makes you think people are even interested in attempting to provide proof to others? They have nothing to gain from travelling to where you live, just to provide you with evidence that you wouldn't even accept. Sure, someone could try to use telepathy on you while you're both on a chat, but if they were either not very skilled or were having an off day then you'd instantly dismiss psionics as fake.
3) Yes, because everyone enjoys nothing more than to be expirimented on. Besides, as has been said, most scientists pretty much refuse to believe it's possible anyway.
4) Of course they can be edited, which is why the best way to find the proof you want is to find it yourself.
5) Hah, there's a laugh. Do you have any idea what would happen to any respectable news channel that tried to say anything paranormal is real? I can tell you this much, whoever decided to put that on the air would be fired in a heartbeat, assuming the news station's reputation wasn't already irreparably torn to shreds.

I tend to disagree with you. IF it does exist, you think that people who have these "powers" have nothing to gain. Well, if I was a scientist, what would I do? Well, first of all, i'd pay someone to prove Psi powers exist. Hell, then i'd be famous for proving they exist.

^ Actually, to be honest, I'm not disagreeing with you that they did not exist. Because I seriously don't know. But dont you think a scientist could easily prove it if he wanted too?

Originally Posted by Xyn

I tend to disagree with you. IF it does exist, you think that people who have these "powers" have nothing to gain. Well, if I was a scientist, what would I do? Well, first of all, i'd pay someone to prove Psi powers exist. Hell, then i'd be famous for proving they exist.

^ Actually, to be honest, I'm not disagreeing with you that they did not exist. Because I seriously don't know. But dont you think a scientist could easily prove it if he wanted too?

It'd take some pretty astounding proof to convince the scientific community psi exists. As has been mentioned previously, most scientists would only accept two scenarios from an expiriment that attempts to prove the existence of psi:

1) Nothing happens, just as they knew would happen because it's clearly impossible, and
2) Something happens, but the expiriment was somehow flawed, and any following expiriments that confirm the first one are also flawed.

In my oppinion, most of the world just isn't ready yet. And when it is officially confirmed, at least one of these things would probably happen:

1) Scientists that had previously denounced the possibility of it will say that they had known it existed all along
2) Most, if not all, Christian religions will immediately proclaim that it's the work of the devil, thereby causing many people to not even attempt to use it. And those who are born with the ability to use one or more psi ability naturally will be forced to undergo exercisms and such by their parents, even though there's nothing wrong with them.
3) All governments will begin to attempt to control it's usage, and will imprison anyone they think is using it in a way they don't want them to, even if said person either can't control it or doesn't even know he or she can/is doing it. There's also the fact that the governments will accuse people of using psionics just because said people don't like someone who has a lot of political power.

Also, I appreciate that you're not disagreeing with me. And yes, I believe a scientist could prove it. The only problem would be that all the other scientists would denie that proof, and therefore the truth would probably never get out.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

*edit* by the way, the REAL secret is to make a movie about new-age nonsensically simple ways to be successful in life and make millions of dollars off of the dreams of gullible plebeians. Then, at least your pockets will be lined, and your dreams fulfilled.

Nice!

I understand the effects of traveling at the speed of light, but can you explain why it happens? And does this distort time around the object aswell, or does it only effect the matter traveling at such speed. Also, if the closer you travel to light, the more time slows down for you (even if it is miniscually as you'll see in my example), then wouldn't time slow down for anyone running by say .0000000000000000000001, or is this somehow impossible due some Earth related restraint?

Any answers would be VERY appreciated!

The reason why traveling near the speed of light affects time is kind of hard to explain. But for a simple clock, it is easy to visualize. I found a website with a good animation of what I'm thinking of. I don't really understand how "normal" clocks (2 hands and 12 markings, digital clocks, subatomic particles) are affected by fast motion, but every experiment ever done suggests that they are affected in the same way.

To answer your second question, I'd say basically no. The object in motion is the only thing that experiences this effect. I say basically because there is another reason why time can be distorted. And that is a gravitational field. An object traveling near the speed of light has a LOT of energy, and hence creates a noticeable gravitational field. But, I expect that unless the object was very massive, the amount it would distort time for nearby objects would be negligible.

And yes, time is distorted for any motion, no matter how small. But for speeds that we normally deal with on earth, the amount time is distorted is so small that very sensitive instruments can't detect it, let alone human senses.

Originally Posted by Rainman

The only difference in the rooms were that one had angry people who were full of hate or were arguing with their spouse, etc. They would scream, and yell and say terrible things. We'll call that room A.

Have you seen the program Mythbusters. In it they did an experiment to see how music affected plants. They played all different types of music; classic, pop, a recording of someone shouting at the plants and another where they weren't and finally a control where no music was played.

Heavy metal music caused the plants to grow by a significant amount. Heavy metal doesn't seem to fit in Room B's image of "nice".

Originally Posted by jaketheoriginal

Vibrations are different from emotions and aura, i believe.

With the other study, people were involved.

I'm not sure how many of you believe in auras.. but they are very easy to "percieve" once you get the hang of it.
Just look it up in google. Depending on your level of "want" this should be a quite easy and fast skill to discover.

"Auras" are a mystification of the complex social interactions going on between humans subconsciously at all times. There is a reason why trees have no 'auras'. It's because they have no faces and no way to betray thoughts through nuances in their physical actions.

Hmm, I always thought that aura is some magical cloud some people can see. The way you described it quite enligtened me. So I guess we do see auras, but it's subjective. It's quite true that some people seem to iradiate some kind of energy. But I do believe most of it is subconcious detection and evaluation. Same with objects, it's all about what kind of feelings it summons up in the observer.

Originally Posted by jaketheoriginal

"Aura - A distinctive but intangible quality that seems to surround a person or thing."
Do you see auras?
Trees have auras.

I don't believe you understood my post, because that is exactly what I described. I personally ignore the 'auras' around trees, because I do not consider them to be conscious entities with purposeful actions, so the feelings they instill in me come from my own past experiences and are pretty much irrelevant. 'Auras' around people can be useful, because they are the result of subconscious cues. The 'quality' that you 'see' around trees is simply the collection of emotions and thoughts you associate with the image or presence of a tree, being called up by the input of your senses.

Originally Posted by jaketheoriginal

In regards to thinking that they are just subconscious interpretations of our brain, how about, (if you can't already percieve auras) you find the colour of the aura on a person close to you. (perhaps whilst they are sleeping? so that they are not subconsciously sending physical signals to you on how they might be feeling etc.)
Do this before you "look up" what the colour of their aura means, and afterwards you might be able to check by describing to the person (within a short time frame [auras change]), how they might be feeling, "miraculously" you will be extremely accurate. (that is, if you percieved the auras, and didn't "trick" yourself in seeing something that wasn't there)
Of course, this is not a surefire way to convince someone; oh and, im not sure (i really haven't checked) if someone's aura changes in their sleep....
Look it up on the net.

Okay, so you want me to look at someone who is asleep, and 'see' a color. I then look up what this color means, wake up the person, and tell them - hopefully they agree, and it turns out that I was right about how they were feeling. Of course, auras can change, so it might be different now that I've woken them up. Or I could have tricked myself.

That is quite possibly the worst experiment I have ever heard of, no offense. Have you heard of horoscopes? It's the same idea. You make a generic prediction, and hopefully the person will want to play along. This is even worse, though, because if it seems that you were wrong, you can just claim that their aura has changed.

Originally Posted by jaketheoriginal

I have noticed, thegnome54, you are very theoretical in what you believe.
Not a bad thing of course, but your wording constantly implies correctness, which can subliminally enhance skepticness, or cynicalness tenfold.
I do this myself sometimes, but to provoke openmindedness rather than provoking the view, that our scientist's views on the clockwork of our universe are impossibly flawed.

I really didn't get that, sorry I'm theoretical and I imply correctness?

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