Thread: PSI abilities, ARE THEY REAL!?!

Maybe you are seeing non-existant things you know

Originally Posted by Leo Volont

I'm not talking about the career drudges.

I'm talking about the Fountainheads -- the Idiot Savants. Not the worker bees. If it had been up to the worker bees, believe me, we never would have had The Bomb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

Originally Posted by Xyn

Are you blind? Do you not see reality?

Of course I do, however we have very two very different perspectives on what reality is.

Originally Posted by Xyn

Do you close yourself from the real world?

Do you create your own little world?

Originally Posted by Xyn

I've seen a UFO myself.

You saw what you thought was a UFO. Think about this logically. We have found one, just, one planet that may (and it's a big may) support life. It took us millenia to find this one planet. I don't know for sure, but I'm betting it is a huge distance from earth.

But I digress, suppose we wanted to travel to Andromeda (the nearest galaxy of any considerable size to our own). It is 200 MILLION light years away. (1 light year= 9,500,000,000,000 kilometres) As well as this, it is physically impossible to build a spaceship that can go as fast as the speed of light. It literally cannot be done, this is because as you increase velocity your mass increases as well. When you reach the speed of light your mass is infinite; therefore slowing you down. How can light go so fast? Because it has no mass to begin with. Furthermore as species go we're pretty darn intelligent and if we can't do it, pretty much no-one can.

So it could NOT have been a UFO you saw

Originally Posted by Xyn

ALso, I saw my friend lift a pen cap under a cup, so I know Psi's exist.

Easily faked. Make very small hole in bottom of glass, put thread through, tie one end to the pen and the other to your finger. Kapow, floating pen lid.

I came up with that in 2 seconds. Your friend could easily have done better

Originally Posted by Xyn

BUT OMG!!!! THERES NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF!>? OMGZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

No there is scientific proof you are just ignoring it. Don't treat science as the enemy, if your psionics were real then they would easily have been proven so by science.

Originally Posted by Xyn

How can a scientist prove it without looking like a fool?

If a scientist could prove it, incontrovertably, he would almost definitely win the Nobel Prize. I'm sure many, many scientists have tried... and failed.

Originally Posted by goldney

You saw what you thought was a UFO. Think about this logically. We have found one, just, one planet that may (and it's a big may) support life. It took us millenia to find this one planet. I don't know for sure, but I'm betting it is a huge distance from earth.

No, he undoubtedly saw a UFO. Remember, if you see a new species of butterfly it's a UFO. UFOs are not necessarily alien spaceships, or even extraterrestrial objects - they're just Unidentified Flying Objects, which, unless you can classify every airplane you've ever seen, I'm sure you've encountered many times in your life.

I guess I believe in some PSI. Edgar Casey maybe. Never saw a flying saucer. That's a bit over my head.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

No, he undoubtedly saw a UFO. Remember, if you see a new species of butterfly it's a UFO. UFOs are not necessarily alien spaceships, or even extraterrestrial objects - they're just Unidentified Flying Objects, which, unless you can classify every airplane you've ever seen, I'm sure you've encountered many times in your life.

Ok well, it wasn't a butterfly. It was an actuall Flying Object with different colored lights. It was actually big too. To be honest, I seriously hope it was a Lucid Dream err somthing, but I was young at the time where I couldnt Comphrehend what was exactly happening or what it was. So I doubt my mind would come up with that. What makes it more believable was we were listening to a song and I tell you, I will never forget that song for the rest of my life. It reminds me of that day everytime I hear it.

To be honest, I believe what I saw. I know many others I know expierenced something like this (Including my teacher). So well, im not here to convince you cause I THINK the evidence is in the world to support this. (Unlike Psi Abilitys ECT).


Also, now, I don't believe in Psi abilitys. I think its a figment of imagination. So any belief I had prior to this post, desipated.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

No, he undoubtedly saw a UFO. Remember, if you see a new species of butterfly it's a UFO. UFOs are not necessarily alien spaceships, or even extraterrestrial objects - they're just Unidentified Flying Objects, which, unless you can classify every airplane you've ever seen, I'm sure you've encountered many times in your life.

Don't be a pedant.

Originally Posted by Xyn

Also, now, I don't believe in Psi abilitys. I think its a figment of imagination. So any belief I had prior to this post, desipated.

That makes me very happy. Thank you.

Originally Posted by goldney

Don't be a pedant.

My point was, he never claimed it was an alien spaceship - he just said that he saw some pretty lights in the sky. You seemed to be saying that he must have imagined them, but it's more likely that they were just an airplane that he didn't recognize.

No it wasn't an airplane. It was a hovering round object(I think). It was so long ago and I was so young to really remember. Then, my parents were yelling,"What Is that!!!". Back and fourth.

I mean, you don't have to believe me. If I was reading this I wouldn't believe it either. The only ones that probably will are the ones who know they exist.

Originally Posted by Xyn

If I was reading this I wouldn't believe it either. The only ones that probably will are the ones who know they exist.

Know what exist? Hovering round objects? Like hot air balloons, weather balloons, blimps, ball lightning, saint elmo's fire, stealth bombers, helicopters, high-flying birds, and god knows what other military vehicles they're testing?

Probably.

Personaly I don't think PSI powers (remote viewing, telekinesis, pyrokenesis, mind control,) exist.

Just my opinion.

Please, dont' be a flamer.

That is all.

From Monty Pythons's Meaning of Life.

[Large corporate boardroom filled with suited executives]
Exec #1: Item six on the agenda: "The Meaning of Life" Now uh, Harry, you've had some thoughts on this.

Exec #2: Yeah, I've had a team working on this over the past few weeks, and what we've come up with can be reduced to two fundamental concepts. One: People aren't wearing enough hats. Two: Matter is energy. In the universe there are many energy fields which we cannot normally perceive. Some energies have a spiritual source which act upon a person's soul. However, this "soul" does not exist ab initio as orthodox Christianity teaches; it has to be brought into existence by a process of guided self-observation. However, this is rarely achieved owing to man's unique ability to be distracted from spiritual matters by everyday trivia.

Exec #3: What was that about hats again?
Exec #2: Oh, Uh... people aren't wearing enough.
Exec #1: Is this true?
Exec #4: Certainly. Hat sales have increased but not pari passu, as our research...
Exec #3: [Interrupting] "Not wearing enough"? enough for what purpose?
Exec #5: Can I just ask, with reference to your second point, when you say souls don't develop because people become distracted...
[looking out window]
Exec #5: Has anyone noticed that building there before?

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Know what exist? Hovering round objects? Like hot air balloons, weather balloons, blimps, ball lightning, saint elmo's fire, stealth bombers, helicopters, high-flying birds, and god knows what other military vehicles they're testing?

Probably.

I was thinking maby it had something to do with the military...

But wow, 3+ of my family members claimed they saw UFO's. I thought most of you would have at LEAST 1 family member that had. That, or you guys don't get out much xD Lol just kidding.

But seriously thegnome, i didn't say you had to believe me. Leave me alone.


But seriously think about it. They just discovered a planet that is like earth not too long ago. I mean, don't you think that there could very easily be life out there somewhere? I mean, the universe is huge.

Originally Posted by Xyn

I was thinking maby it had something to do with the military...

But wow, 3+ of my family members claimed they saw UFO's. I thought most of you would have at LEAST 1 family member that had. That, or you guys don't get out much xD Lol just kidding.

But seriously thegnome, i didn't say you had to believe me. Leave me alone.


But seriously think about it. They just discovered a planet that is like earth not too long ago. I mean, don't you think that there could very easily be life out there somewhere? I mean, the universe is huge.

personally i have no doubt at all that there are other planets out there with life on.....i mean just think about it....billions of solar systems and we're the only ones which have life...

but i do doubt that they visit us, even if they knew we existed and they managed to observe us through telescopes then why visit us briefly and not show themselves to us....

and dont tell me because the government has 'waged war' on them because if the government had then that would be even more reason to show themselves....basically if they wanted to learn about the people of earth then why not show themselves and study with us....then we can both learn from each other....if they are smart enough to master space travel then they should be smart enough to know this....

About UFOs. The question isn't if they exist, they sure do as many, including me, have seen. The question is what are they. UFO doesn't mean Alien spaceship, it means Unknown flying object.

I'm going to see if I can harness my psi abilities and put them to the test today. I have free tickets to the Super Ex and I'm going down to play some Crown and Anchor.

You know, where they have symbols on the wheel you bet on which one comes up. I've always been lucky at that game. I prefer roulette, but the stakes are too high. I play the outside.

Some exercise and meditation before I leave, and I should be rich in no time!

Wish me luck!

Ok, I walked away with 46 dollars more than I started with. Not too shabby!

Originally Posted by Xyn

But seriously thegnome, i didn't say you had to believe me. Leave me alone.


But seriously think about it. They just discovered a planet that is like earth not too long ago. I mean, don't you think that there could very easily be life out there somewhere? I mean, the universe is huge.

I didn't say you had to listen to me, either. Say what you want, I'll say what I want about what you want to say

Of course it's possible. It's just much more likely that it's something terrestrial. Seriously, think about it. If there was a species who went to all the effort of finding another planet with life on it, why wouldn't they actually contact us, instead of flying about in the upper atmosphere all the time? Worse, if all of these sightings are genuine, then they've been popping in and out of our atmosphere for a span of over thirty years. What are they doing? Where do they go when they're not frolicking about up there?

It makes very little sense, and I suspect the whole thing was born of the human desire to have company on this little rock of ours.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

About UFOs. The question isn't if they exist, they sure do as many, including me, have seen. The question is what are they. UFO doesn't mean Alien spaceship, it means Unknown flying object.

Yes that's strange. I do believe they are aliens, but I'm not sure. My mum has seen a UFO too and she has told me about it and I believe her. Another question: if there are aliens in those things, what do they want?

Okay, let's change the wording UFO, to alien spaceship. It's causing some confusion. From now on, alien spaceship mmkay?

Also, read my previous post. It is physically impossible for aliens to visit Earth. A complete load of shit. It CAN'T be done.

1. No planets near enough that could support life (I'm talking in our solar system close. That's how close we'd need to be to have aliens visit.
2. Physically impossible to travel faster than light. Einstein discovered this. E=MC^2 I think it is.
3. Teleporting doesn't exist.

The odds are that the "spaceship" you saw was some kind of military aircraft etc.

Originally Posted by goldney

Okay, let's change the wording UFO, to alien spaceship. It's causing some confusion. From now on, alien spaceship mmkay?

Also, read my previous post. It is physically impossible for aliens to visit Earth. A complete load of shit. It CAN'T be done.

1. No planets near enough that could support life (I'm talking in our solar system close. That's how close we'd need to be to have aliens visit.
2. Physically impossible to travel faster than light. Einstein discovered this. E=MC^2 I think it is.
3. Teleporting doesn't exist.

The odds are that the "spaceship" you saw was some kind of military aircraft etc.

1) We cannot be sure that there is no life on planets - hell, we're not even sure whether or not there is life on Mars yet.

2) Maybe they found a way to travel really close to the speed of light, and have been traveling for generations.

3) ...And?

We can't really say for sure whether or not alien ships have visited Earth, although we might be able to explain single occurrences at a time.

Originally Posted by goldney

2. Physically impossible to travel faster than light. Einstein discovered this. E=MC^2 I think it is.

Well there is that theoretical traveling faster than light. The Warp thing. It's about bending space time, so instead flying there yourself, you just stretch the fabric of space on which you are stationed. So theoretically it is possible. Although I'm not saying I saw aliens, or that I "believe" that they are visiting Earth. Quite improbable in my opinion. I saw an orb flying and splitting in four little thingies.

Originally Posted by goldney

1. No planets near enough that could support life (I'm talking in our solar system close. That's how close we'd need to be to have aliens visit.
2. Physically impossible to travel faster than light. Einstein discovered this. E=MC^2 I think it is.
3. Teleporting doesn't exist.

What about wormholes?

Or maybe they came from another dimension?

2) Maybe they found a way to travel really close to the speed of light, and have been traveling for generations.

A good response, however, we aren't just talking 100 years. The distances are huge. It would take 200 million years just to travel to the nearest galaxy other than our own if we went at the speed of light. However, we do know that time slows down for those in a space craft going at incredibly fast speeds. Maybe the slowing of time would counteract the distance... Possible but highly improbable. There are things so far away that the light from them hasn't even reached us yet. The Earth is 6 billion years old by the way. A distance of more than 6 billion light years. Just to put all this in perspective it takes about 1.3 seconds for light to go to the moon from Earth.

What about wormholes?

Or maybe they came from another dimension?

What about wormholes? Tell me how they might work instead of just saying, "What about wormholes?" As far as I know, no spaceship can travel through a wormhole as it'll get destroyed. Again, how will they cross this over from this other dimension? We're not even sure they exist! It sounds like you've been watching too much sci-fi and mistaken it for facts.

Use some common sense people. I'm not denying that aliens exist. In fact I fervently believe that they DO exist. Though us being visited by them. Not going to happen. As far as we know aliens could just be like earth without any intelligent beings. It could just be populated with creatures of equal intelligence to cows.