Thread: Is dreaming a product of the brain or are we in in an alternate reality?

Originally Posted by ThisWitheredMan

That is what I am suggesting, yes. According to the above theory, the room is a construct of ultimate consciousness created to be experienced by your limited conscious mind. It is 'loaded' into existence as needed and then 'unloaded' when not. Of course, I mean that more as a metaphor, it's possible that many things are kept 'in RAM', so to speak, despite not being immediately observed, but the point is basically that the room, this world, and all its rules only exist within the imagination of the ultimate mind.

This seems then like reality would be subject to the observer. Why can't everything be subject to everything?

Quote from Bill Hicks: "You never see positive drug stories on the news, do you? Isn’t that weird, since most of the experiences I’ve had on drugs…were real fuckin’ positive. Who are these morons they’re finding, that’s what I wanna know.

Always that same LSD story, you’ve all seen it, “Young man on acid thought he could fly, jumped out of a building. What a tragedy.” What a dick! Fuck him, he’s an idiot. If he thought he could fly, why didn’t he take off on the ground first? Check it out. You don’t see ducks lined up to catch elevators to fly south – they fly from the ground, ya moron, quit ruining it for everybody. He’s a moron, he’s dead – good, we lost a moron, fuckin’ celebrate. Wow, I just felt the world get lighter. We lost a moron! I don’t mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious…but I am, so that’s the way it comes out. Professional help is being sought.

How about a positive LSD story, wouldn’t that be newsworthy, just once, to base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstitions, and lies…I think it would be newsworthy. “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we’re the imagination of ourselves. Here’s Tom with the weather."

Hahahaha AWESOME quote!

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

This seems then like reality would be subject to the observer. Why can't everything be subject to everything?

I'm not sure what you mean. Reality is subject to the observer, but it also IS the observer, in an ultimate sense. The legs of a spider are subject to that spider's eyes and mind (don't know why I chose a spider, just use your imagination), but they are also OF the spider's totality. They are the same totality, so in that sense would be what you're saying?

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

How about a positive LSD story, wouldn’t that be newsworthy, just once, to base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstitions, and lies…I think it would be newsworthy. “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we’re the imagination of ourselves. Here’s Tom with the weather."

I love that!

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

I don’t mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious…but I am, so that’s the way it comes out.

I think the lack of compassion here says something. Yes its just 'a joke'. But the attitude implied by the joke is real.

I would gladly give up my life, and everything I have gained in my philosophical pursuits, if it meant that my former LSD user friends and acquaintances could have their minds back. If they could learn that lesson and preserve it for the next generation, or for a next life.

I'm not a very nice person by most measures, but I can still find it in myself to care about people in that way, including people I don't even like. I don't think its a coincidence that Hicks seems unable to do that.

He's a good example of a guy who seems witty or even insightful if you share his 'love'. But clear your mind of that and he's a mean spirited moron. Compared to most other comedy, his stuff is about as inspired as 'Christian rock' is compared to other music. Not an entirely different mindset actually, just a different god.

I hope you don't take this badly, I only mean it in relation to this particular topic, not as an attack on your person or your posts in general.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

I think the lack of compassion here says something. Yes its just 'a joke'. But the attitude implied by the joke is real.

I would gladly give up my life, and everything I have gained in my philosophical pursuits, if it meant that my former LSD user friends and acquaintances could have their minds back. If they could learn that lesson and preserve it for the next generation, or for a next life.

I'm not a very nice person by most measures, but I can still find it in myself to care about people in that way, including people I don't even like. I don't think its a coincidence that Hicks seems unable to do that.

He's a good example of a guy who seems witty or even insightful if you share his 'love'. But clear your mind of that and he's a mean spirited moron. Compared to most other comedy, his stuff is about as inspired as 'Christian rock' is compared to other music. Not an entirely different mindset actually, just a different god.

I hope you don't take this badly, I only mean it in relation to this particular topic, not as an attack on your person or your posts in general.

i dont take it badly, its just a joke.

imo, we are all cold, cruel, vicious, warm, kind, and compassionate. Its a waste of time pretending we shouldnt expose dark qualities simply because of their nature. And that is what art is for. As the greeks said: to exorcise the demons. When we express these things, it has a way of bringing them to the surface so we can deal with them. Otherwise, we just ignore their existence.