Dzogchen is translated as "The Great Perfection". |
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Hellow folks, it is good to be back. I haven't been here for a couple years and a lot has happened to me since I've been gone. How has it been going here? I am curious to how my dreamviews friends have been. |
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Dzogchen is translated as "The Great Perfection". |
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In your first part, are you talking about achieving all day awareness? I'm always consistently running into the same problem - work! I work in customer service and once that phone rings I gotta give the customer my mental attention. I gotta figure out whats wrong, how to help them and do it fast so I can stop talking to them. |
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In the the traditions of Dzogchen and Zen there is a method of "pointing out" the true nature of the mind through utilizing the example of a crystal ball or sphere. In Dzogchen the master will actually have and hold up a crystal ball for his explanation and direct introduction to the true nature of mind. |
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There are five elements (states of matter: Solid, liquid, plasma, gaseous, space). In their karmic state, dependent on deluded awareness, they appear as material reality. With pure vision, they appear as the five pure colors. This is the beginning of the teaching of the rainbow body. |
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After the mind has become clear and radiant through the self-recognition of Pure Awareness, the Clear Light Mind will naturally gravitate towards the heart, its Origin. If we lay in bed when about to fall asleep, remaining in this Clear Light Awareness and let ourselves completely relax yet clear without images, we can experience consciousness moving into the heart. You may notice if you wake up from a very deep dreamless sleep that you may feel a sense of peace, freshness and contentment. Notice at this moment that your consciousness feels centered in your heart. As we wake up and begin our day, our consciousness moves back into our "head" as thinking and planning begin. This whole cycle usually goes unnoticed by most. |
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Its interesting to investigate how our sense of self appears in our dreams at night. In the dream we have a body, five senses, feelings, emotions and thoughts. It seems all of those factors are a "given" as though they were established facets of some pre-existing personality and entity. But when we wake up all of those aspects of the dreamed identity vanish and may have little or no relationship to our immediate "waking" identity. |
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Here are some experiments of direct experience to get you started investigating the sense of self. |
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if you want you may check this Education in the Nature of the Mind | Balanced View |
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Check your memory, did any suprising event happpen ? does the present make sense ? visualize what you will do when lucid, and how. Reality check as reminder of your intention to lucid dream tonight. Sleep as good as you can; when going to sleep, relax and invite whatever comes with curiosity. Grab your dream journal immediately as you awake and write everything you can recall (if only when you wake up for good). Keep calm, positive and persistent, and don't forget to have fun along the way
Ha how funny! That is rewording of dzogchen teaching! Thought free state is the clear light. Open intelligence is Rigpa. Thanks for that! |
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That's a lot of really interesting information, thank you for sharing. I admit, I've just skimmed it now but will read it in more detail. |
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Cool you have a pretty good grasp of the fundamentals. A few points: the clear light is easiest to experience in sleep and death because there are not other competing sensations. But in reality, the clear light is what everything is made of at all times. To think you are alive and this is real is an illusion, nothing has ever happened, this is all a dream arising from the clear light. A bardo is a transition stage. If you are not consciously experiencing the clear light, you are in bardo, or dream. Bardos are dreams of existing as a sentient being or seeking rebirth as a sentient being. |
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I like to read as many books and articles as I can. I think it is a challenge to translate these concepts into English words effectively. So the more I read, the better I can become acquainted with the ideas behind the words instead of getting hung up on the words themselves. I'm afraid "Clear Light" is one of those translations that belies the depth and complexity of the topic. |
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Very nice presentation. Dannon Oneironaut; thanks for sharing! |
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Yes it is entirely simple! Too simple to even talk about. |
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If I understand right, Clear Light is sleep yoga - not dream yoga, right? It ocurrs during deep NREM sleep and there are no dreams - just a steady awareness throughout sleep. And the masters can maintain it all through their sleep - meaning no dreams and no lucid dreams - is this right? |
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Maybe going a bit off-topic but this challenge of language and translation interests me so much. Language is such a double edged sword. It's an essentially tool for communication but at times it can be a barrier. |
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Hi Darkmatters! Nice to be talking with you again! |
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Very very true. |
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Agreed. Some of the English words commonly used to translate Buddhist concepts are "clear", "subtle," "noble," "precious," "infinite", "transcendent," and "enduring." We can understand these words in there common sense but they have an ambiguous and open-ended quality. These are the best words we can find to approximate something that is much more profound. Ultimately, pure awareness exists at a level that transcends language. Language consists of concepts and is useful for so many common things. But awareness is a higher understanding. I can't think, in my limited mind, of any better words to describe it besides "subtle" and "transcendent." |
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I am sure about illusion. I am not so sure about reality.
Definitely - great to have you back on the board! |
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So I would like to talk about the philosophical concept of emptiness. Emptiness is central to all Buddhist philosophy no matter what sect. |
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So emptiness is basically relativity - Buddha was an ancient Einstein. |
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