There Is No Quality But Awake Quality

[JTM]

To define "awake" is to miss the point, entirely. To say one part is "awake" and the other is not is to fall victim of separation. Thus, everything is awake quality and perfect.

[snoop]

What?

[dutchraptor]

Could you be anymore vague? Try to at least structure your argument in a legible manner.

[Zoth]

The OP is most likely arguing in favor of the rejection of awake/sleep as distinct stages in favor of perceiving them as points in a continuum of consciousness. But yeah, the post is a bit confusing.

[dutchraptor]

I was thinking that. I share that point of view, but I wasn't sure if that's what he meant since it's posted in beyond dreaming.

[Zoth]

Would you say that the fact that when we are dreaming, we are receiving sensory input from our memories rather than from the external world not significant enough to point out wakefulness and sleep as two distinct stages DutchRaptor?

[JTM]

Sorry for the vague post. It was just a fleeting cloud going nowhere in particular.

[Sageous]

^^ Maybe you were saying more than you thought? It happens, you know. Personally, I thought at first that you were talking about duality/non-duality, though I like Zoth's interpretation more now.

[dutchraptor]

Would you say that the fact that when we are dreaming, we are receiving sensory input from our memories rather than from the external world not significant enough to point out wakefulness and sleep as two distinct stages DutchRaptor? Yes, it would seem so to me, many different states that are usually assumed closer to sleep or closer to being awake can actually be extremely similar. I don't have enough knowledge on the working of the human brain to make any proper assumptions on it though, and I'm kind of stuck for words. I've just ordered a few books on dreaming and consciousness so I think I will read them first before going on about it. Sorry I edited your post by accident, nothing is changed

[JTM]

Dreaming is awake's shadow. You can't dream if you weren't awake first

[Zoth]

La Berge has a beautiful saying about this: Dreaming is perception unconstrained by sensory input and perception is dreaming constrained by sensory input.

[dreamcatcher81]

Favorite Matrix quote: paraphrasing probably lol. " what is real? If your talking about what you can see, smell, taste, touch, then real is only electrical signals interpreted by your brain" Some people know that the same senses you experience when your awake are present and sometimes more profound when you are asleep.