Thread: Telekenisis......?

Grandias,

It's really simple. Tell me what kind of telekenisis. I'll set up an experiment or two that takes that into account. You perform that form. I record and document it with the raft of equipment at my disposal. Boom. No more "belief" necessary - it's now proven.

Other than that - it's all gobbledygook.

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Oneironaut,

If you want to try it, you just need to get four other friends together. I can send you pictures and diagrams and such. If you understand what is at work here, then it's easier to reproduce reliably. But your friends have to be able to follow instructions to the letter!

Anything is possible and its not talked about because human cannot live in a world where there existance is breached.[/b]

I partially agree with this. While I'm not sure about "ANYTHING" (That is a very strong word) being possible, I believe that there may be many things out there that Are possible, that are being hushed to keep their existence out of the mainstream. People always ask the question "why wouldn't it be made public" and my answer is: "Think about it. If you were to tell modern man that things such as Telepathy, Telekinesis, and all Psionic abilities were actually True, the world as we know it would unravel like a ball of yarn. The era of modern man with all of its many laws and velvet ropes would become more suited for the whim of the individual, and not so much as the herd being lead by the shepard in the form of government and/or all other authority figures. People would flock to training their psionics, and would be able to manuever around "the system" in ways that were never even Slightly possible.
If these things do exist, I believe there are many overlooked reasons to keep them on the hush-hush, even though I don't agree that they should be.

And to Kim:
Yeah, I'd like any information on that subject that you're willing to give. I can't say when, but I'd definitely end up putting it to the test.

On the subject of party levitation...

Kim: You've actually done it?! That's awesome!! I had tried with some friends of mine, but even following the instructions as best we could, it didn't work.

I found some online guides and diagrams for it, some seemed to be excessive simply to make things more complicated, and others seemed too simple and unreliable.

I personally would be very interested in knowing what you did exactly. If you got your instructions from a website, could you send me a link?

As for the science behind it, I'm not so sure I believe the whole 'diamagnetism' theorey, but I think it's worth consideration. I wonder if any REALLY scientific tests (y'know, with lots of fancy equipment and stuff) have been done on it, to find out not just if it works, but how?

Originally posted by Lizaveta
I believe in both telekinesis and predicting the future. I've experienced both, but not often and always by accident.

When it comes to predicting the future, I'm not talking about saying "tomorrow you will go out and make a hundred and thirty three dollars, then get landed in jail and be bailed out by your long lost sister who also happens to be your dead and resurrected wife from Turkey."

I only predicted little things. For example, me and my mom would be sitting in the car, at a friend's house, or just in the park, and I'd tell her that the phone at home was about to ring. The few times it happened, we'd come back home to either a missed call or a message on the answering machine. We weren't sure if it was just coincidence, because we couldn't tell if the phone rang at roughly the same time that I told her it would. So I decided to test it out. The next time that I got the feeling that the phone would ring (it wasn't really even a feeling...for me, it was kinda like the sensation of remembering a tiny bit of a dream that I couldn't seem to grasp before), I checked the time in the car. When we got back home, there was a message on the machine that was left one minute after that time.

Like I said, it didn't happen often, and happens even less now than it did before, but to me, it was enough proof to believe that predicting bits of the future (unimportant as they might be), is possible.

ok, so basically we have missed calls every day. Since this only happened rarely, you could have very likely just guessed and you were right. i mean ive done things like that many times(called luck). id guess the top card of a deck 1st try, but after that i couldnt name 1 following it. all i can say is i dont believe in any of it(xcept lucid dreaming..and dream control). i mean i stick with what the majority of scientists believe(not those few psycho ones). i mean theyre the one's who study this stuff intensly and shud know..

Issue 1 Telekinesis
A- No empirical proof
B- Many believe exist
C- Possible to be next evolutionary step (Human lack of superior structural strength)

Issue 2 Prophecy
A- Empirical proof
B- Many believe exist and have first hand knowledge
C- Probably a instinctual stage in human development and not necessary for survival anymore (probably will decrease more)

Originally posted by Kc7ooo5


ok, so basically we have missed calls every day. Since this only happened rarely, you could have very likely just guessed and you were right. i mean ive done things like that many times(called luck). id guess the top card of a deck 1st try, but after that i couldnt name 1 following it. all i can say is i dont believe in any of it(xcept lucid dreaming..and dream control). i mean i stick with what the majority of scientists believe(not those few psycho ones). i mean theyre the one's who study this stuff intensly and shud know..

What if luck isnt what you thought it to be? What if "luck" could be affected directly, by say, oh the state of your mind and attitude in relation to energy levels (think happy and sad) and positive or negative thoughts? It would be very interesting for people to test this, and quite simple really. Seems that one would have to keep an open mind though. Become like a small child, curious and still exploring the world, not knowing limitless from limit. Might even watch the matrix trilogy to open ya up a bit

And what is this belief? For one, it is oxymoronic to include "belief" or at least the modern interpretation of the world in a sentence describing what scientists find through experiments. Experiments said to be true (though sometimes proven otherwise). Truth=Belief ?

i mean i stick with what the majority of scientists believe(not those few psycho ones). i mean theyre the one\'s who study this stuff intensly and shud know.. [/b]

Originally posted by kimpossible
The property is called "human diamagnatism". What you are effectively doing is creating a short period of magnetic field reversal or a "magnetic neutral zone"

Diamagnetism is the repulsion of a magnetic field . Experiments have been done whereby a magnetic field which is so strong can repel and levitate things such as a frog or grasshopperhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation . To do this , it requires a field strength of close to 16 teslas(teslas being the unit of field strengthhttp://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictT.html) . The strongest available fileds in laboratories are around 20 teslas . Lets say a frog weighs 200g . It takes 16teslas to magnetically levitate a 200g frog . So lets say your trying to levitate a person weighing 70kg . the ratio of 70kg : 200g = 350 . So you need a field strength 350 times 16 teslas = 5600 teslas . Now , i dont know about you , but i have never heard of any EM field generating device which can generate 5600 teslas , letalone a few people generating a field .

The numbers alone show its extremely unlikely for anyone to beable to generate a field strength so strong as to generate enough repulsive force on a 70 kg object to lift it off the ground .

So if indeed this supposed levitation is possible , it isnt by means of magnetic repulsion. And last time i checked i couldnt control gravity with my mind so im not sure what that leaves us with other than smoke and mirrors .

Search for information on 'Hutchison Effect'
There he can purportedly levitate a cannonball with his lab toys.
He found a strange effect where the devices in his lab cause an interference pattern with amazing effects.
Other side effects include moving objects, melting objects at room temperature, merging eg. wood and metal together and ripping a metal object in two.

Originally posted by Placebo
Search for information on 'Hutchison Effect'
There he can purportedly levitate a cannonball with his lab toys.
He found a strange effect where the devices in his lab cause an interference pattern with amazing effects.
Other side effects include moving objects, melting objects at room temperature, merging eg. wood and metal together and ripping a metal object in two.

And you can see all this for a small some of $100US according to this source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_effect , sounds like a scam if ever ive heard of one . Strange how hes never managed to reproduce the experiment since 1991 .

I found this PDF file which is info from the John Hutchison himself , pg 3 para 3 .http://www.americanantigravity.com/documen...tchisonFile.pdf , source site is here. http://www.americanantigravity.com/article...-Hutchison-File

"The main thing about this technology, apart from its unusual phenomenology, is that it is highly transitory. The phenomenon come and go virtually as they please. One has to sit with this apparatus from between six hours and six days before one actually sees something occuring. This makes it virtuallyimpossible to interest someone who would like to try to develop it, to assist in funding for instance. You can't assume that someone will sit there who is ready to help develop a technology, and have him wait and wait, and perhaps nothing will happen. It's unusual to ask someone to wait six days for a phenomenom that they're interested in developing comercially. So one can imagine we've had some difficulty in the past in financing this program."

I think its obvious hes using that as an excuse becasue he faked the initial video which got him all the medi attention some 15 years ago . And since nothing has come of this technology since its initial development one can only assume it was indeed a hoax like so much else we find on the net claiming to have such phenomenom .

i have to agree with darkmatic--he already admitted to faking a video for discovery channel after first claiming it wasn't faked...doesn't do much for his credibility as a REAL scientist.

Originally posted by mongreloctopus
i have to agree with darkmatic--he already admitted to faking a video for discovery channel after first claiming it wasn't faked...doesn't do much for his credibility as a REAL scientist.

I hadn't heard of this.
But I did realise the subject was controversial. That's why I said 'purportedly'

Originally posted by Barbizzle
The rest are fake. Period.

Proove it. Period

Yes I know the rebuttal! Well you prove it. I can't prove it and you can't prove it.
The difference lies that I am not afraid that our beings may have the capacity to get out of the little confinement we call our minds at this point.
I close no doors and I look forward to seeing outside that box when and if a door opens.
If it does, there will be plenty of closed minded individuals pulling there tallywacker. But have fun doing it.

I'm not sure about telekinesis yet, but I can tell you I have had dreams about the future that came true. It started as deja-vu, but I soon began having detailed dreams about events that hadn't happened yet. I keep a dream journal, so I have all the dreams written down and dated. As I went back to verify the dreams, I saw that more and more of them related to things happening now in my life. I don't just mean general situations. I am talking about specific people and events with specific details. Believe it or not, but I am telling you it's for real. I am not saying you should believe everything you see on the internet. That would be foolish. All I'm saying is to keep an open mind.

On that note, you may want to check out this video:
Telekinesis Video

// cybereality

I agree with Howetzer.
I read a book on the supernatural a while ago, and it was very interesting.
But one thing that caught my eye was in the beginning of the book, it had a chapter or two about why we should and should not so easily accept/refuse the existence of the paranormal.

Just because something hasn't been proven correct, doesn't mean it's false.[/b]

Just because something hasn't been proven false, doesn't mean it's correct.[/b]

I use that on my cousin about dragons and stuff. If he asks me if I've ever seen a dragon before, I ask him the same question. When he says no, I reply, "Well, maybe you just haven't looked in the right places."

You should dismiss something only when it is proven to be wrong.

Originally Posted by Barbizzle

The rest are fake. Period.

Agree the others are fake lol they might have them but in lucid dreams like i did once(in a dream) it was really vivd not lucid

www.mytkgroup.tk click on the "covered Psiwheel vid" now, this person is a friend of mine, i've seen his demostrations 1 on 1, tell me how he 'faked' this vid

Hmmm... Bladekillua, you know that you revived a more than one year old thread? And your opinion here doesn't seem to correspond with your opinion on the other psi thread you revived...

Anyway on topic, I don't know if these things exist or not, I'm trying, so I'll know if I succed (of course a demonstration would probably help a lot )

Ok, this will be kinda off-topic...
Seismosaur, you really know this person? Maybe you were the one who was blowing through the legs? Uh, I just finished reading all the youtube comments, all the 500+!
So If you know what I'm talking about, explain me, why did you point that video out?

You didnt answer me, you drew a strawman, HOW DID HE FAKE IT?

Originally Posted by Bladekillua

Agree the others are fake lol they might have them but in lucid dreams like i did once(in a dream) it was really vivd not lucid

Many things are hard to believe. Just because this one is really really hard to believe doesn't mean it isn't true. Continental drift, atoms and the word being spherical was all thought to be poppycock back in the good ol' days

I can do telekinesis. In fact I just taught my friends how to do it today. 1 wasn't so great but another was awesome at it. Even better than me!

All you skeptics out there, watch THIS

Let's put an end to the debate. Oh, and btw, Psions will never rule the Earth because humanity is going to wipe itself out by 2012. (<-- would you like me to explain?) Also, the military has had many psionic tests and most have been positive.

Me and one of my friends can do telekinesis. It took him longer to get to it, but i could move the psi-wheel on my first try. For some reason I can do it better, when my palms are around the psi-wheel. With the hands it could just be some sort of energy field manipulation, but that still doesn't explain how i can do it without the hands.
I can't do it as fast as in the video with the hair dryer, but i can change its direction and speed at will, when I'm "in the zone"

Originally Posted by anomanderis

For some reason I can do it better, when my palms are around the psi-wheel.

Same

Originally Posted by anomanderis

With the hands it could just be some sort of energy field manipulation, but that still doesn't explain how i can do it without the hands.

I cant, but I have only been trying for a day (I got success by the way) tonight I'll try without hands

How do you do this? Fordy, anomanderis?

Well, I used the "just do it" method on psipog.net

though the first time I used it, it took 8 minutes to get it to spin 20 degrees!

You should actually open your mind and try some of this stuff.