Thread: First True Definition of OOBE

Not everone thinks that OOBE and WILD are two names for the same thing. Generally this view will be held by those of a distinctly materialist disposition, whereas many of those who believe in the existence of "other places" than the physical universe will believe that WILD and OOBE are two quite distinct experiences.

For those who have experienced going "out of body", it seems self-evident that it is not a dream.

My view is that they are two different directions for consciousness to be pointed in, and as such they are absolutely related with obvious similarities, but there are equally obvious differences.

I for one would love a concrete and well-documented experiment done to show OBE and LD are different once and for all. Subjective accounts are valuable, but the scientific community will never take subjective accounts on face value. In fact, a lot of people are still undecided on what dreams are. Are they experiences of another reality? Are they just result of random chemical and electrical impulses in the brain? are they just the process of memory consolidation? or are they something else entirely? Ask a group of people and you'll get a lot of different answers, even in this day and age. Anyway, testing OBE isn't complicated. If there are people who can consciously and consistently OBE, then why isn't there a proper experiment to put it to rest once and for all? The test is simple and can be a little dream-like remote viewing. That's all we need to confirm if we actually perceive events outside of our consciousness and body. Just project out and see what others are talking about or writing in another room. There are accounts of those having NDE retelling events like this. It's a simple test. All we need is a willing participant.

There are some undeniable similarities between OBE and WILD:

• Unfortunately, both require people to be at rest unlike what we see in Doctor Strange movie.
• They both involve the similar mode of execution.
• They both can only be experienced through an altered state of consciousness.

I can see why a lot of experienced lucid dreamers claim that OBE is just WILD. To totally acknowledge OBE we have to consider the possibility that there are more than the physical reality, implement a proper verifiable test, and find someone with a consistent ability to OBE. Science has even admitted that the visible part of the universe is very small compared to the universe itself. Then there is quantum physics which nudges physicists to have a broader outlook.

I have had lots of experiences that could have been OBE, but I will only consider them OBE if I know for sure. The challenge is I can't consciously or consistently initiate an OBE to have someone do the experiment. I don't want to become delusional. It's important to me because I am a schizophrenic. I hear disembodied voices and have vivid visual hallucinations. It takes enormous effort, intelligence, and reasoning to function like a "normal" person. I don't want to delude myself that I'm projecting outside my body if I actually am not. I really want OBE to be the real deal. Also, who is to say the stuff I see are hallucinations? Doctors labeled me schizophrenic because I'm experiencing things others aren't. However, they are baffled with my ability to reason under these conditions. So, do I really have a "mental disorder" or am I in a constant state of altered consciousness? Anyway, because of this, I don't think I'll ever feel I'm having an OBE until I can verify it on my own.

I had an intention not to write here anymore, but Gods tricked me again as sended their secret weapon - an young otaku bunny

I may say that my method is very easy to re-create and I hope there will be volunteers for this "outer space mission".

So what I have done was:
-lie flat on the bed
-close your eyes
-relax your body, but don't relax your mind because this will be WILD

This can be done anytime of the day, but will be more easy if your body is tired. Now the crazy part:
-you must come with a powerful thought or chain of thoughts, that will keep your mind awake and aware (not just aware), but not aware of your body. You must entirely lost the sensation of your body, by catching yourself on that thought and ride it, therefore a sensation of not having a body. Of cource you can feel SP before totally loss sensation.
-Now after that happen you can feel vibrations or spining(for me was like centrifuge) or nothing, but you definitely will feel the moment when you need to seperate from your body.
-use your favorite roll out of body technique
-you are out and free to explore the other plane of existence

When I was out, I felt very tired, like I have been hit by truck or the gravity was ten times as stronger.

Originally Posted by GordanFreeman

When I was out, I felt very tired, like I have been hit by truck or the gravity was ten times as stronger.

Yeah, I experienced that a lot. In fact, in most of my experiences that I suspect could be an OBE I am totally out of it. I sometimes have a hard time keeping my "eyes" open or try to do anything. ^^'

Yeah I try to explore around, but I was tired and so heavy that I dropped on my knees, I just barely touch my body to re-connect with it.

Maybe before when I done it unconsciously was so stable because I used unified energy(i slept with my cat, he is half here, half there) as a source.

In the late 60s mum was a fan of Lobsang Rampa (LR).

In his booke he explained that leaving the body is not the problem, LR said that everyone does that.

The problem is re-entery.

Being free of the heavy, cold, smelly, body is so o o good that untrained folk don't want to come back to their heavy, cold, smelly, body.

They ignore the signels that the body sends them to get them back to go to the toilet or something till finally the body gets seriouse and yanks them away from their good times.

Folk crash into their body and are left with only a fragmented memory of where they went and what they've done. These fragmented memories are what we call dreams.

LR said by learning virtue like patience you can train your self the answer the body straight away. Quickly, say bye-bye to your friends and come back to the body.

When your back in your bedroom even if it's daylight or the lights on, everything looks dingy because you have just returned from brighter astral domains.

You move closer to your body and gently move back in.

When your in it feels yuky

The body is cold and smelly.

You move

Being in the body again is yucky

But

You have unbroken memory

And this is what Yogies mean when they say they never dream. It is because they have unbroken memory.

Originally Posted by GordanFreeman

When I was out, I felt very tired, like I have been hit by truck or the gravity was ten times as stronger.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

Yeah, I experienced that a lot. In fact, in most of my experiences that I suspect could be an OBE I am totally out of it. I sometimes have a hard time keeping my "eyes" open or try to do anything. ^^'

I believe it was in a book by Robert Bruce that I read that being close to your physical body makes movement difficult, but once you're something like 6m away from it (about 18 feet) movement becomes quite easy. I don't have any personal experience to corroborate it with.

lol I'm speechless, I got banned for reposting this on another lucid dreaming forum in their respective beyond dreaming section. Long story short, when I posted this there, the active users directly disagree with me and say I'm completely wrong. When I try to defend my theory and saying they are wrong, the admin came and give me a warning for ban with the reason

please do not tell another member they are wrong

and deleted my defending posts, next a guy show up and even started insulting me for believing in OBE

not to mention it isn't this yogie paranormal shit that everyone jumps the gun on

. I try to defend myself again, but my post get deleted again. Then they say if I do not provide a video with "ghost camera" of me getting OBE in a week admin is gonna ban me.

If he would just upload a live video of ghosts in his room at the exact same time he claims to have his supernatural experience, I would be willing to look into it. However, he has to completely agree not to use a video editing software such as Premier when uploading the video even if it is to clean up the video.

If you want to prove me wrong, then please, get a camera, record yourself "going ghost" on the camera, record your ghost doing exactly what you say it is doing, and show me the video. if you can do this, I will believe you. I mean, come on, it cannot be hard to do this (at least not if it is a lucid dream):

I said "there is not such thing as ghost camera" and try to defend myself again and of course the admin ban me as he says to others

Usernames, You are fine and we all do and should disagree with that.

, but there is a strange thing, they all believe Remote Viewing is a normal activity, which is not a subject to discussion.

A month before, I posted some of my OBE and AP experiences in another LD forum and got banned for defending them with the reason:

You are crazy! Go see a mental clinic fast!

and they deleted all my posts. Talk about "Damage Control"

So I must fix my OP post from:

Many thinks that OOBE and WILD are the same thing, but they are all wrong!

to

Too many thinks that OOBE and WILD are the same thing, but they are all wrong!

It is an unpleasant fact that many severely materialistic people, who typically refer to themselves as "skeptics" (which is an abuse of the word, since they have absolutely no inkling of skepsis towards their own beliefs), become increasingly despotical and uncivilized if their beliefs are challenged.

Personally, I think they should be confronted by the illogical mess of their own beliefs succinctly, relentlessly, and mercilessly

I've never had an experience that I instinctively knew to be OBE. But I've had loads of experiences that match the descriptions... and I just think of them as WILD., or if they felt very different, weird WILDS.

My question is this: Why does it matter if you are in an OBE or an LD? I never really pursued OBE's because of this... I don't want to complicate things without getting anything back...

I don't see how it matters, but I also never asked anybody to explain it to me before. So maybe I'm missing something... Looking forward to hear back why you need a definition for OBE at all.

By definition an OBE would have the person outside of his/her physical body, and typically these experiences involve the person seeing him/herself asleep in their bed. It is, in my experience, rare to hear someone recounting a WILD that includes them observing their own sleeping physical body.

WILDS are extremely unusual for me (as are OBE's), but the WILDs have always taken place during daytime in weird environments that I did not know from waking life. One of my two suspected OBE's took place in my physical bedroom at nighttime (but I did not get to see myself), the other one was in a place that seemed like the physical world at nighttime, but where it was supposed to be, I could not say. From my perspective it is difficult to distinguish between WILDs and astral projections, but OBE's are very different from either.

Of course, it has to be remembered that these are all just words and names, and people don't necessarily agree on what they mean.

Originally Posted by Voldmer

It is an unpleasant fact that many severely materialistic people, who typically refer to themselves as "skeptics" (which is an abuse of the word, since they have absolutely no inkling of skepsis towards their own beliefs), become increasingly despotical and uncivilized if their beliefs are challenged.

Personally, I think they should be confronted by the illogical mess of their own beliefs succinctly, relentlessly, and mercilessly

After asking the admin on that forum, why he is deleting all my argumentative posts, he finally answear me on PM.

I dislike people like you, that believe in these stupid paranormal shit.

So it was just a personal attack On top of that the whole forum is full of these "viagra" spamming bots, which didn't get moderated for a strange reason.