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      Lightbulb First True Definition of OOBE

      Up to date we have a clear definition for what is Lucid Dream and from there everything start. After that we have a definition for every major method known to man.
      -We know what MILD stand for!
      -We know what DILD stand for!
      -We know what VILD stand for!
      -We know what DEILD stand for!
      -And finally we know what WILD stand for!
      There is one thing that connect them all - they are all dreams!

      Many thinks that OOBE and WILD are the same thing, but they are all wrong!
      I have many unconscious OOBE, which I have no idea how I did, just a snippet of memory of before gone to sleep.
      After my first OOBE at purpose, I can make the first clear definition of what OOBE is!

      To WILD one must fall asleep consciously, a clear transition to dream world, therefore a dream!
      OOBE and WILD are very similar, but with one clear difference that I will define. To have an OOBE one must not fall asleep, but to discard his physical body. To do this, one must let only his body fall asleep, but not his mind, it is similar to WILD, but the desired goal is different. So we can call the WILD desire is opposite of OOBE or that WILD is a Fake OOBE!

      Some of the greatest discoveries came to be by mistake, in my case I fail at WILD. I couldn't calm my mind to drift to sleep, in my anger I vigorously started to think what I must do for the day, but in the process, I incidentally discarded my body. Suddenly I got very wild spinning, that could ended my experience, but due to fast thinking I remembered about "roll out of body" technique and came out of my body successfully.

      I thought to create tutorial on this, but on second thought I think they will come by themself.



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      Not everone thinks that OOBE and WILD are two names for the same thing. Generally this view will be held by those of a distinctly materialist disposition, whereas many of those who believe in the existence of "other places" than the physical universe will believe that WILD and OOBE are two quite distinct experiences.

      For those who have experienced going "out of body", it seems self-evident that it is not a dream.

      My view is that they are two different directions for consciousness to be pointed in, and as such they are absolutely related with obvious similarities, but there are equally obvious differences.
      So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?

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      I for one would love a concrete and well-documented experiment done to show OBE and LD are different once and for all. Subjective accounts are valuable, but the scientific community will never take subjective accounts on face value. In fact, a lot of people are still undecided on what dreams are. Are they experiences of another reality? Are they just result of random chemical and electrical impulses in the brain? are they just the process of memory consolidation? or are they something else entirely? Ask a group of people and you'll get a lot of different answers, even in this day and age. Anyway, testing OBE isn't complicated. If there are people who can consciously and consistently OBE, then why isn't there a proper experiment to put it to rest once and for all? The test is simple and can be a little dream-like remote viewing. That's all we need to confirm if we actually perceive events outside of our consciousness and body. Just project out and see what others are talking about or writing in another room. There are accounts of those having NDE retelling events like this. It's a simple test. All we need is a willing participant.

      There are some undeniable similarities between OBE and WILD:

      • Unfortunately, both require people to be at rest unlike what we see in Doctor Strange movie.
      • They both involve the similar mode of execution.
      • They both can only be experienced through an altered state of consciousness.


      I can see why a lot of experienced lucid dreamers claim that OBE is just WILD. To totally acknowledge OBE we have to consider the possibility that there are more than the physical reality, implement a proper verifiable test, and find someone with a consistent ability to OBE. Science has even admitted that the visible part of the universe is very small compared to the universe itself. Then there is quantum physics which nudges physicists to have a broader outlook.

      I have had lots of experiences that could have been OBE, but I will only consider them OBE if I know for sure. The challenge is I can't consciously or consistently initiate an OBE to have someone do the experiment. I don't want to become delusional. It's important to me because I am a schizophrenic. I hear disembodied voices and have vivid visual hallucinations. It takes enormous effort, intelligence, and reasoning to function like a "normal" person. I don't want to delude myself that I'm projecting outside my body if I actually am not. I really want OBE to be the real deal. Also, who is to say the stuff I see are hallucinations? Doctors labeled me schizophrenic because I'm experiencing things others aren't. However, they are baffled with my ability to reason under these conditions. So, do I really have a "mental disorder" or am I in a constant state of altered consciousness? Anyway, because of this, I don't think I'll ever feel I'm having an OBE until I can verify it on my own.
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      I had an intention not to write here anymore, but Gods tricked me again as sended their secret weapon - an young otaku bunny

      I may say that my method is very easy to re-create and I hope there will be volunteers for this "outer space mission".

      So what I have done was:
      -lie flat on the bed
      -close your eyes
      -relax your body, but don't relax your mind because this will be WILD

      This can be done anytime of the day, but will be more easy if your body is tired. Now the crazy part:
      -you must come with a powerful thought or chain of thoughts, that will keep your mind awake and aware (not just aware), but not aware of your body. You must entirely lost the sensation of your body, by catching yourself on that thought and ride it, therefore a sensation of not having a body. Of cource you can feel SP before totally loss sensation.
      -Now after that happen you can feel vibrations or spining(for me was like centrifuge) or nothing, but you definitely will feel the moment when you need to seperate from your body.
      -use your favorite roll out of body technique
      -you are out and free to explore the other plane of existence

      When I was out, I felt very tired, like I have been hit by truck or the gravity was ten times as stronger.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GordanFreeman View Post
      When I was out, I felt very tired, like I have been hit by truck or the gravity was ten times as stronger.
      Yeah, I experienced that a lot. In fact, in most of my experiences that I suspect could be an OBE I am totally out of it. I sometimes have a hard time keeping my "eyes" open or try to do anything. ^^'
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      Yeah I try to explore around, but I was tired and so heavy that I dropped on my knees, I just barely touch my body to re-connect with it.

      Maybe before when I done it unconsciously was so stable because I used unified energy(i slept with my cat, he is half here, half there) as a source.
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      In the late 60s mum was a fan of Lobsang Rampa (LR).

      In his booke he explained that leaving the body is not the problem, LR said that everyone does that.

      The problem is re-entery.

      Being free of the heavy, cold, smelly, body is so o o good that untrained folk don't want to come back to their heavy, cold, smelly, body.

      They ignore the signels that the body sends them to get them back to go to the toilet or something till finally the body gets seriouse and yanks them away from their good times.

      Folk crash into their body and are left with only a fragmented memory of where they went and what they've done. These fragmented memories are what we call dreams.

      LR said by learning virtue like patience you can train your self the answer the body straight away. Quickly, say bye-bye to your friends and come back to the body.

      When your back in your bedroom even if it's daylight or the lights on, everything looks dingy because you have just returned from brighter astral domains.

      You move closer to your body and gently move back in.

      When your in it feels yuky

      The body is cold and smelly.

      You move

      Being in the body again is yucky

      But

      You have unbroken memory

      And this is what Yogies mean when they say they never dream. It is because they have unbroken memory.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GordanFreeman View Post
      When I was out, I felt very tired, like I have been hit by truck or the gravity was ten times as stronger.

      Quote Originally Posted by lucidbunnie View Post
      Yeah, I experienced that a lot. In fact, in most of my experiences that I suspect could be an OBE I am totally out of it. I sometimes have a hard time keeping my "eyes" open or try to do anything. ^^'
      I believe it was in a book by Robert Bruce that I read that being close to your physical body makes movement difficult, but once you're something like 6m away from it (about 18 feet) movement becomes quite easy. I don't have any personal experience to corroborate it with.
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      So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?

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