Thread: Are OBEs... Always Safe?

That thing that was watching you is your guardian angel. Don't be afraid of him he is always with you.
But it can be another entri evil or not, if you are afraid do conjuration of Jupiter or Bellilin.
I think you will find them on internet.

I think one of the courses at mysticweb.com covers those conjurations. I tried to keep up with the course, but had gotten too busy.

I think Jupiter goes: "In the name of Jupiter, father of gods, I conjure you, te vegos cosillum" or the like. I am probably butchering the spelling.

Bellilin is something like "Bellilin, Bellilin, Bellilin, amphora of salvation. I would like to be next to you. Materialism has not strength next to me. Bellilin bellilin bellilin."

Supposedly, you are supposed to say one of those 3 times while pointing at the entity to conjure it.

Originally posted by FILIP
That thing that was watching you is your guardian angel. Don't be afraid of him he is always with you.
But it can be another entri evil or not, if you are afraid do conjuration of Jupiter or Bellilin.
I think you will find them on internet.

IMHO(in my holy opinion )there are no such things as angels,u yust felt afraid and imagined a evil dude there,that's probably some energy u expel during the day,when ur in a OBE,ur(i call it sens) sens is much stronger,u may evin not experiance it when ur awake,i know how to use it REALLY well,it may evin help u in dream controle i think

Angels, or devils...... we're stronger than both . Never forget that.

"Are OBEs always safe?"

Nothing is always safe, hon.

I don't believe in evil, no such thing, humens created evil, in the wild animals brutaly murder eachother, with there teeth, all the time, it's part of nature. now about Obe's being safe, I've never heard of anyone dieing from one, I think are conscience is a strong thing, even if you did die, death isn't realy a thing to be afraid of and I seriously, seriously doubt you'll die death is what your afraid of right?

As for as being spiritual I don't belive in any of that, you were just seeing things in sleep paralysis, the universe has no such things as guardian angels, or dream guides, exept in your head, depends on how you look at it ofcourse, you can always say thats your guardian angel just couse it was created by you dosn't mean it's fake.

~God

Originally posted by Nikolaa
IMHO(in my holy opinion )there are no such things as angels,u yust felt afraid and imagined a evil dude there,that's probably some energy u expel during the day,when ur in a OBE,ur(i call it sens) sens is much stronger,u may evin not experiance it when ur awake,i know how to use it REALLY well,it may evin help u in dream controle i think

I really don't know how the heck are they called in english, but I may understand what you're talking about
it reminds me of something we call ( literally and very badly translated) shape-thought - that's something one can create, willing or unwilling, and can be useful or noxious or more often both
I really don't know if I believe in it, but it's a little less unlikely than some fluffy angel!

It could also be called chi.

uh?
but can "chi" be perceived as "somebody"?
I don't think so...

or maybe I don't understand what you say...

Chi, also known as Qi in Chinese culture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

Originally posted by italianmonkey
uh?
but can "chi" be perceived as "somebody"?
I don't think so...

or maybe I don't understand what you say...

chi,chakra,energy.........all the same,mabey that guy u where afraid of was another OBE traveler,in OBEs u move whit "chi",and the best thing is,if u know how to controle it,u can be in ur hous in a OBE,i herd that some one who is trained,can take over someones body,when that someone is a sleep,or near death.
U know,my mother told me that when her mother was dieing,she was at her side,once she fell asleep(my grand mother)and when she wake up,she had a diferent look in her eyes,and she said things that will happen to my relatives that really did exept one thing we are still wateing for,and the she saidmy mothers name will be replaced whit X)X ur gonna have a nother son,than my mom said:but i alreadi have two children,and becide i'm to old to have a nother son,than the person saidsomething like this)u will and u must give bearth,then my mother started crieing,and my grandmother asked her(the person wasn't in her anymore)why are u crying?i'm not dead yet,then my mom said:but u told me..........my grand mother said that she didn't...........
my grand mother pased on,and about six monts later my mom was pregnent whit me,she wanted to abort me but the doctor said that she shod go home and think about it,then return in 2 weeks,when she returned the doctor said it was too late to do it and here i am

Couple of years ago I read an article that said something about heartattacks while dreaming. Maybe if your OBE is too rough, you can really die.

sounds a little hollywood to me this last one

Originally posted by italianmonkey
sounds a little hollywood to me this last one :?

Could be :).

back in HS I read a book by Lois Duncan called Stranger with my Face, about a girl who's evil twin visits her by astral projection and teaches her how to project, then steals her body. I have no clue about real OBEs but this possibility always freaked me out.

Originally posted by Nyrhinen

Could be .

yeah...
even if once i had a very bad out-of-season allergic attack (that often happens to me with strong stress like exams or hard quarrels) after a very though dream (long, lucid, violent and a firend claims shared (but i don't want to believe it).)

think i'm a skeptic against all odds