Thread: i am a newb and i do not know what OBE is

how is an OBE different to an ld

Originally Posted by demonmc

how is an OBE different to an ld

From the books I've read, in a lucid dream you are in your mind and you are the master of the world. You can change it, control it, shape it to your own desires, you are literally "the man". In an OBE, you're not just away from your body and you're not always in the real world if you even are at all. You travel trough astral planes which are described in many books. Your perception is altered, you don't see with your physical eyes but with your mind. If you visit an area that you know nothing about, the images are blurry and shapeless. You can often get attacked by astral creatures like in the book "Techniques of astral combat". Unlike when you are lucid dreaming, you can't just will these creatures away, you have to fight them or run. But you may not even see them properly, or the world around for that matter, like I said you need some preliminary knowledge to recognise the environment and you need knowledge of the entities to be able to shape them and attack them. In that book the technique described for achieving astral projection is quite similar to the WILD technique for a lucid dream, they just call it "trance induction technique" and they speak nothing of lucid dreaming. In the books where both lucid dreaming and astral projection are seen as existent, it is said you can use lucid dreaming to go into an AP, one way is to climb a tall building and jump off, willing yourself out of the body. There are also visualisation techniques, it is said that if you imagine a well and then you imagine yourself falling down into it and plunging into the bottom you can induce an OBE. There is also the famous technique by Robert Monroe, but it's a little bit complicated, even if stated to be effective. The Monroe Institue has also released some audio cds that can help induce lucid dreaming and astral projection, just search "hemi-sync", it's the technology used in the audios.

Originally Posted by Amantes

Your perception is altered, you don't see with your physical eyes but with your mind. If you visit an area that you know nothing about, the images are blurry and shapeless. You can often get attacked by astral creatures like in the book "Techniques of astral combat". Unlike when you are lucid dreaming, you can't just will these creatures away, you have to fight them or run. But you may not even see them properly, or the world around for that matter, like I said you need some preliminary knowledge to recognise the environment and you need knowledge of the entities to be able to shape them and attack them.

JAYZUZ, this sounds wicked!

Originally Posted by Remorseless

JAYZUZ, this sounds wicked!

I second that!

Although, while 'wicked' in the sense of intensity, this is NOT something that one should deliberately go out and do by intention (fighting other spirits).

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(... Yeah. Truth is... I actually know nothing about this, but I'm apparently speaking from what general wisdom might say,... that is,... if it still applies in this realm in the same way... . Going out and fighting spirits by intention just sounds like a bad idea, ya know?)

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Originally Posted by Nam3less One

I second that!
Going out and fighting spirits by intention just sounds like a bad idea, ya know?)

You've probably done it unintentionally anyway. It's not something you have complete control over. Often what you thought was a dream has actually been you leaving the body. It happens. Some even say it happens at some point every time you're asleep. I've even heard statements that Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection, or Out of Body Experience, are simply different names for the same thing. Yet others claim there are no APs and OBEs, it's all just LD. Or the opposite, it's all AP, you're never really dreaming. Lots of people, scientists, religious figures, etc with their own theories and beliefs.

And it's not such a bad idea. It's about training your spirit. In my book they say you need to have a strong astral form to survive the death fragmentation, so physical fitness, precise knowledge of your own body and a set, time-independent purpose (e.g. to protect the weak, to gain power and authority, etc, NOT to repair cars...) are vital. Astral creatures can reach you from their dimension and feed on the energy of the weak. It's best if you're from those who can fight them back.

BTW wouldn't it be nice to have a library section on the forum?

So, in theory, when you have an OBE or AP and you fight these creatures, if you're injured, your spirit or soul gets injured? Much like how if you screw a succubus in your sleep you'll wake up exhausted and possibly even in pain?

Have people been killed by these creatures in AP/OBEs?

Originally Posted by Remorseless

So, in theory, when you have an OBE or AP and you fight these creatures, if you're injured, your spirit or soul gets injured? Much like how if you screw a succubus in your sleep you'll wake up exhausted and possibly even in pain?

Have people been killed by these creatures in AP/OBEs?

Well those are often the creatures you see in your dreams. They only want to feed on you. So the question is actually whether a nightmare can kill. Well, surely, if you're on your death bed and have a very faint heart, you won't survive the shock of a nightmare. Astral combat is about confronting those creatures instead of just running away from them. The form of your soul is created by your mind, so it can't really be damaged, but feels pain that can also be transmitted to the body. They say in dreams it doesn't hurt. They lie.