Thread: Anyone else met the Night Stalkers and Dream Walkers?

I have a question.

Has anyone ever believed that they have encountered a demon (deffinatly NOT a NS/DW) during a dream (lucid or not)? If so, is anyone willing to describe the experience?

Originally Posted by Maeni

I really think these things lack information, how do these people know these things?

How do you know that night stalkers do it on purpose? The mind is a powerfull thing, it should be perfectly able to make you think some thing is real. It could be just a nightmare, a piece of nightmare, followed by a spark of doubt, that spark of doubt sets your 'I'm-so-powerfull-mood on fire, making the dream into a partial nightmare.

If they exist, where are they? Who are they? Why do they do it? How did they learn it? I doubt they've been taught to go into other peoples dreams... Imagine, if you knew how, you could
1. Tell people how to do it to become famous and respected.
2. Make a book about how to do it & sell it to become famous, respected and rich.
3. Mess with peoples dreams for the lulz, not becomming anything really.

Why would they do such a thing? It's just plain stupid, makes no sense at all.

And while I'm at it, while I shouldn't ask in this thread, someone please for the love of whatever, what is it that can happen while astral projecting that is "Worse than death, much worse"? How the hell can you know if it's worse then death, when you obviously never have died?! And most likely, never have tried whatever it is that is worse than death. Oh, and also do you know anyone who has tried this thing which is worse than death?

I'm sorry but so far, while I wouldn't be so straight forward as, I am still with DeliriousDonkey, to me this makes no sense at all. It's like the good old "The Earth is flat, because I say so, and NASA is lying, because I say so, I dunno why. But they lie."

I'll probably open up a lot more of some of my questions in this post is answered, it's not because I don't see any possibility in being a nightstalker, I just want to know some motives, why?

you crack me up!

No demons... I've been playing around with summoning spirits... I've summoned them into me 2 times. 1 time I got thrown in to a dark void, just wondering wtf the spirit was up to. I woke up, and my body was in the same place it was before I let it in.

Yesterday I invited one in and we had sort of mind-sex(tantric shit.)

Dunno if this is self-hypnotism or whatever, but it's really hilarious. Anybody want a tutorial, and I'll tell em how(I haven't experienced any side-effects btw.)

Originally Posted by seeker28

you crack me up!

Well that's quite good
I feared some of the believers would feel offended, so, positive tha' is!

I hope someone can answer, though. Answers to those questions, I think would make the topic much more 'serious'.

Originally Posted by Maeni

1. Tell people how to do it to become famous and respected.

Not gonna happen. You don't gain respect by talking about such things, only ridicule.

Originally Posted by Maeni

2. Make a book about how to do it & sell it to become famous, respected and rich.

It's been done. I posted about a book about this very subject somewhere in this thread, and I think other people posted about a couple of other books as well.

Originally Posted by Maeni

I just want to know some motives, why?

Either they do it because it's a great way to practice your skills, or they do it to teach. Maybe both. I've been trying to sum up what I've learned from my NS encounters here: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57283

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Not gonna happen. You don't gain respect by talking about such things, only ridicule.

Hmm, I see how that would go, indeed. But if they were able to give techniques to how to do it, people would try wouldn't they? Ofcourse, there would be people calling fake and hoax and what not, but if the techniques works.
And many people already post things that gains them nothing but ridicule from non-believers, while they're clearly understood by all the believers. I don't think a Night Stalker would care about the non-believers trying to ridicule them.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

It's been done. I posted about a book about this very subject somewhere in this thread, and I think other people posted about a couple of other books as well.

I guess I can't comment too much on that answer before I dive back into the thread and find it, but still.
If there is a book with something in the lines of "how to be a night stalker" somewhere in it, that'd be something to make me believe a bit more.
And what about interviews with said stalkers? Who are they?
Don't answer to those, they're just wondering questions, I'll search for answers when diving back in.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Either they do it because it's a great way to practice your skills, or they do it to teach. Maybe both. I've been trying to sum up what I've learned from my NS encounters here: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57283

Ah, think I saw that somewhere. While I haven't read it through to the tiniest detail, I couldn't find anything concrete about Night Stalkers, I know about that they try to attract your attention, thus giving themselves more detail and gaining more power from that.

Eugh, I'll dive back before I ask too many questions that will be answered anyways.

Hmm, I see how that would go, indeed. But if they were able to give techniques to how to do it, people would try wouldn't they? Ofcourse, there would be people calling fake and hoax and what not, but if the techniques works.
And many people already post things that gains them nothing but ridicule from non-believers, while they're clearly understood by all the believers. I don't think a Night Stalker would care about the non-believers trying to ridicule them.

All the techniques for invading others mind and dreams start with going out of the body. That's the first step. There loads of techniques that can help you be more powerful in the astral realm and thus, gain the ability to invade others. Though, the techniques like everything else requires loads of practice and dedication.

And if I told people that I am a nightstalker or a dreamwalker what do you expect their response? If they believe they'll tell me how evil is that and how bad is this though it is not harmful. Or like most of the time, you'll get laughed at. So why bother?
I guess I can't comment too much on that answer before I dive back into the thread and find it, but still.
If there is a book with something in the lines of "how to be a night stalker" somewhere in it, that'd be something to make me believe a bit more.
And what about interviews with said stalkers? Who are they?
Don't answer to those, they're just wondering questions, I'll search for answers when diving back in.

Reread this thread to learn more about NightStalkers. There are books produced about NightStalking and dream walking. Most of them are shamanism books and so.

Why would they do such a thing? It's just plain stupid, makes no sense at all.

Mostly for fun since it cant really hurt the victim. Also, to reach the peak state.


Just a last note, NightStalker or most of them are relatively weak if they enter your zone. You're stronger than them unless you thought the opposite.

Has anyone ever believed that they have encountered a demon (deffinatly NOT a NS/DW) during a dream (lucid or not)? If so, is anyone willing to describe the experience?

I don't believe that you can meet real demons on lucid dreams. I think the real ones are in the astral. But dont worry, you're always protected by your physical body and spirit creature called "Guides".

Well, my input on it is that they really should have no power over you. If they walk into YOUR dream, you have the home field advantage. And, as said many times before, Dreams can't hurt you. Since if you are Lucid you have control. If you have many encounters with the Night Stalkers, you could try and train yourself to push them away and out of your dream. Besides, you can have super awesome mega cool powers. Heck, you could just smash them with some crazy ass power ray for all I care.

All they are is peoplewho just like the scare people. You can tell yourself the pain ins't real, and it isn't. I've meditated myself out of pain before. I ht my shoulder, and it kept hurting. I kept telling myself it didn't hurt, and before I knew it the pain was gone!

So, if they attack you in your dream, just laugh. I'd pretend I was in some fighting game, and become this super cool hero. In your Lucid dream, your only limitations are your will power, mind, and belief.

You people talk about astral projections, dreamwalkers and nightstalkers, but nobody seems to be able to do it. This is making me really suspicious. We are on the Beyond Dreaming forum, you don't have to be afraid to talk about this... Anyway, if anyone claims to be able to enter my dreams, feel free to, and don't forget to leave a clear message which can be confirmed here on these forums. Like tell me your age or something, and we'll see. If you want more information about me to be able to find me and resonate with my thoughts, just leave me a message and we'll talk on msn with my webcam.

I'm open for it, I believe it's possible, but I don't believe anyone here on these forums is able to do enter a dream of another person of choice.

Also, I find it very suspicious nobody even tries to do it either. I don't see people on these forums trying to get into eachothers dreams, only like once in a while, and they try it only one time. It's like trying lucid dreaming one time, and if you fail the first time, giving it up and thinking it's not possible. I think people deep down inside don't believe in it or they would talk about it more.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Also, I find it very suspicious nobody even tries to do it either.

I've been trying! I'm just not lucid as often as I'd like (but who is?). So far I've gotten a few good tries in, 2 of which were lucid. ANother, where I wasn't lucid, but went to bed with the strong intention of finding my target, I managed to come up with a fairly accurate description of my target. I've accurately described people I've never seen three times from regular dreams.

DW and NS hmmm first time i have read this thread and it sounds real enough to me. Can i just ask the nice faction to come help me in my dreams to increase my lucidity... And NS don't even bother..... no really dont. -.-

mm nice thread , i am new in the lucid and every thing , but from what i understand i have be doing it in a strong way long time ago , have been able to change my dreams totally and i mean not do something in the dream but i mean move to a new dream and but evry time i do that i am aware that i am dreaming only when i am moving from a dream to another , but some times its a nightmare when i know i am dreaming but i just can find "lets call it the power" to change it so i wake myself up from my dream , i dont dream much just 8 or 10 times evry year sometimes never , but just to tell something about nightwalkers and dream walkers ....... we make our dreams but sometimes " we have alittel help by something " ........ doubt keeps us alive fear kills us

This morning I had my second possible NS encounter a few dreams after I had been fully lucid so I was fairly semi-lucid during the time.
A guy had broken a glass candle casing of an Orthodox church and was being punished by a Russian clergyman in the little shack next to the church. I assumed that he would only get his ass severely striped, but when he came out his face was completely pale and had eyes as that of a dead fish.
I went to the clergyman and asked if he realized how evil his actions really were.
Suddenly he towered above me, his face contorted in a carnivorous smile. The abrupt and powerful sense of total evil he emitted threw me off balance and I felt slight fear as I took a few steps back.
He pulled me towards him with Force pull and then pushed me away before I could retaliate. By this time my mind had already executed emergency dream exit procedures.
If this really was my second NS encounter, then this was also the second time I was caught by surprise. By the time I had mustered myself for a counterattack, the fear (even if it wasn't that great) had given him control over me.
I considered him to be a NS, because he felt intrinsically the same (EVIL!) as the "person" from the first encounter.

Of course, here the fact that I asked him how evil he was, could've transformed the DC of a clergyman into an evil NS. Possible...

Here's another good account of shared dreaming:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...430#post819430


Anomanderis, I don't know that NS would be completely evil like in your dreams. They're just people after all, and nobody is that evil. I'm quite sure all my dream encounters with pure evil was just me messing with myself.

6 days to the first anniversary of this crazy thread. Ready the champagne!

This might explain the Nighstalkers...



LOL. I don't know wether she's B/Sing or not, but it's funny =P

That was thoroughly amusing
I'd like to believe its true.

Well then. After reading most of these things and having my own conclusions about what dreaming is, I'd say it sounds as if some people have taken their dreams, fantasies, movies they've watched and D&D games, rolled them together with a healthy dose of desire to be more than they are, and come up with a great outlet for them. Night Stalkers and Dream Walkers. Right... my skepticism radar is screaming at me on this one.

I don't know about NS and all that but there was rumors of a sect of druids that learned how to communicate in dreams to escape death from the Romans. I don't particularly believe in all the exacts of it, but its a world of possiblilities.

The human brain evolves every second of everyday, we are comprised of more energy and the ability to project or share that energy is insane? hmm.. Sounds like someone else has issues.

Originally Posted by Croneus

Well then. After reading most of these things and having my own conclusions about what dreaming is, I'd say it sounds as if some people have taken their dreams, fantasies, movies they've watched and D&D games, rolled them together with a healthy dose of desire to be more than they are, and come up with a great outlet for them. Night Stalkers and Dream Walkers. Right... my skepticism radar is screaming at me on this one.

+1

I believe!


*In some things.*


Just not this.

Anyway. I have read this whole thread. All of it. Even the tiny threads on page 15 and 22. And it was interesting. I enjoyed it more than many books I have read. I said above that I don't believe in this, but I can picture a world were this is possible, so I will debate it like I do.

There have been many theories as to how people dreamwalk. I don't know what to accept, probably the radio theory. EDIT: the radio theory is out, thanks to the post by adam has a dream below. I don't know why people dreamstalk, but I think it is for several reasons: they get enjoyment out of it, they get power out of it, and they get expirence out of it. Now, I don't mean they get power that they suck out of the dreamer. I mean they get more powerful by dreamstalking. This might be power over the person, or it might be power over themselves. The expirence part is somewhat similar. By practicing dreamstalking, they get better at dreamstalking and imagining stuff and getting people's attention (The Cusp's theory @ The Nature of Dream Control seems good to me). Why would people want to be better at these things? Because, if you could nightstalk better, it would be easier to convince your boss to give you a raise, you could influence politics, you could get a oil company to give you a discount, ect. Why not practice on a bunch of other people who you don't care about first? Now, their are many reasons good imaginations are useful, for writing books, for art, for music, ect. Getting people's attention while they are asleep is much like getting their attention while they are awake, I believe. Knowing effective ways to get people's attention would help people who want to lower drunk driving, global warming, world hunger, ect. get groups organized. Also, people who know what gets people's attention would also know what doesn't. This would be helpful to people trying to, say, launder money or something. Also, if the techenque for going unnoticed that I read somewere works, (you behave so normally that people forget they see you almost as soon as they do) this would be invaluable to it. The most common reason, I believe, (if dreamstalking isn't too hard to do) to dreamstalk is for enjoyment. There would be two ways to achieve enjoyment out of dreamstalking people: deliberately tormenting them and accedently harming them. Why would you just bully a guy at work or school, if you could bully him when he is alseep too. Or you could bully many more people than you meet in waking life. Or you could bully people just in your dreams so you would have friends in the waking world. On the other hand, like some dude said early in this thread (I'm too lazy to find it; I tried.), one could dreamstalk accidentally. I wouldn't be suprised if over 50% (Made up stat) of the expirenced lucid dreamers on these forums have sometimes done things in their dreams that would hurt the DCs if they were real. I, for example, beat up a car for no reason in a LD and then beat up some random dude with it. The chances of the random dude being the other person in your dream (if, of course, there was one) would probably be suprisingly high if your subcontiousness sensed something odd about them. The attention theory would imply that, if you payed a little more attention to some "DC" since it was odd, it would be more likely to be a target when you decide to do something violent, as you are already paying more attention to them. The "DC" would be another person who you were sharing dreams with, so it would continue to be odd.

Book to read: Wake by Lisa McMann

The Cusp, I really like your thread on attention.

Has anyone here at least tried to dream in 4D? I have been trying to do this one and off for years, but when I met someone (on this thread) who also tried, I decided maybe I could get help. PM me if you have or you know someone who has.

Dreamhope11, your sig and av are cool.

This is the longest post I've made on these forums.

*I believe in smilies (Yes, I know, a bit of overkill. But that sure beats underkill.)

Originally Posted by ubigcow

There have been many theories as to how people dreamwalk. I don't know what to accept, probably the radio theory.

What I'm most skeptical about it the how part. Any theory that involves an electromagnetic send/receive link is most likely bullshit because
1) any emissions on the EM spectrum would be detectable as they would interfere with communications
2) even if something was being sent, it would be drowned out by all the sources of EM we have in modern life - every part of the spectrum has something on it.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

What I'm most skeptical about it the how part. Any theory that involves an electromagnetic send/receive link is most likely bullshit because
1) any emissions on the EM spectrum would be detectable as they would interfere with communications
2) even if something was being sent, it would be drowned out by all the sources of EM we have in modern life - every part of the spectrum has something on it.

Light is also an EM wave, nub. Light doesn't get 'drowned' out or doesn't interfere with communications or whatever.. you're so full of it. Also, your whole body and brain communicates through an 'electromagnetic send/receive link'. That's also how your eyes perceive light, they resonate with lightwaves. Which basicly make your eyes an EM link between your brain and the outside world. I don't understand why you would want to try so hard and come up with completely illogical explanations to try and show it would be impossible? This is the beyond dreaming forum fyi, not the science forum. And even if it was, your 'scientific explanations' don't make any sense at all.

how are you going to get a light link between two people?
do you know a thing about physics? apparently not.

you don't have an EM link in your body, the only time electricity travels through your body is when it goes between the synapse and axon in a nerve, the rest of it is ion transfer.

i understand that humans receive light, but i'd like to ask you, how is it that humans transmit light?