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      In lucid dreams I can will such feelings to go away. Not so with astral projection.
      Love is lucid.

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      maybe it takes longer, like in real life you can also will the feelings away, but it takes more work and energy, so then the astral plane needs more work and energy than the lucid dreams, maybe o.O

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      So I "manifested" being attacked by demons? If I'm scared in waking life of being attacked by demons, I will be? Look, regardless of my feelings, I was attacked. Astral projection is just not safe.
      Love is lucid.

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      Astral projection is just not safe.
      if you cared for these people you'd get this out to the public before its too late, thousands of people are in danger

      noone seems to know

      you can start your crusade here http://www.astralsociety.com/Forum/index.php?board=7.0
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      Quote Originally Posted by C911 View Post
      I meant only go to people you know that arent spirits masking themselfs as the people you seek. I too tend to visit people that dont know me, and i dont know them physically, but if your careful your fine.

      And yes, the Succumbi and Incumbi lure you in to make you have sex with them, and then they suck your energy away.

      How do you know who is a real person and who is masked?
      And are the people real people from real life like you?

      If you do sexual stuff in lucid dreams and just general vivid dreams.. do you think AP is a bad idea then?

      I'm interested

      But I'm far too scared to try.

      Do you leave your body and look around the real world? can you fly? how many people are there? can you speak to them?

      Do you see scary shadow people in your bedroom << this is what I'm scared of the most

      How long did it take for you to do this? How did you feel the first time?

      Can you see your body?

      Thanks :]

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lunica View Post
      1. How do you know who is a real person and who is masked?
      2. And are the people real people from real life like you?

      3. If you do sexual stuff in lucid dreams and just general vivid dreams.. do you think AP is a bad idea then?

      I'm interested

      But I'm far too scared to try.

      4. Do you leave your body and look around the real world? can you fly? how many people are there? can you speak to them?

      5. Do you see scary shadow people in your bedroom << this is what I'm scared of the most

      6. How long did it take for you to do this?
      7. How did you feel the first time?

      8. Can you see your body?

      Thanks :]
      Holy crap huge question post. Ill do my best.

      1. There no way that i can, for sure. Some people might be able to, but for me everyone looks the same. To be truley sure, just go to people you absolutly know would be in the spot that you see them in, and even then be careful. Interacting with other people is dangerous, just be careful.

      2. They can be. Everyone projects every night, but mostly they just sit above their body. Some people say that when you have dreams that you are flying, it is your bodies way to tell you that you were projecting. I cant confirm that though. But other people can project, and you can see them when they do.

      3. Absolutly not. Astral sex is like 1,000,000 times better then real sex, its just you want to know the person you are doing it with. If you see a really super hot person that you cant resist and they are pulling you twards them, just simply turn around and walk away. Lol its not that easy, but it can be done. No harm done then.

      4. Yes, if you project to the physical realm. Other levels are more fun though.

      Yes you can fly, its easy. The hardest thing honestly is getting your mind to accept that you can fly. When you first start out you might see that when you jump into the air to fly you will float down to the ground again. This is the mind telling you that its not possible. With pracitce, you can fly anywhere you want to.

      There is alot of people, in the right spots. Everything from bad entities to good entities to people projecting and to things that have never lived in the real world but live in the planes. You can talk to them, but its not really "talking" more of just communicating.. that makes no sense but you get the idea. You would have to try it to find out. Well actually, its like if your in a LD and you talk, your body really isnt talking, your mind is just creating words.. ugh its hard to explain lol. Just try it.

      5. Well dont be scared. Sometimes "ghosts" can be seen in the real world, as you might be able to tell. These ghosts cant always be seen, but when they aren manifested in the real world they can be seen in the astral. There might be 3 ghosts just doing what they always do right in front of you. The thing is though, you dont want to be scared. They cant do anything to you, and if they could you would know it. Ghosts arent scary, they cant do anything like the movies say. If you have any more questions about this i can answer them, but im probably making it more then what it really is.

      6. Well the skill came naturaly once i knew the basics, but you achieve this your 1st time through your 20th time. There is no real number. For me, i went into astral sight my first attempt at this technique, and then into a full astral after that.

      7. Well the first time i went into astral sight i was really excited. I finally had done it, but i didnt know why i couldnt move.. lol. Rainman, who knows what he is talking about, was hammering me for telling people stuff that wasnt true. When i first got into the astral sight i was like oh ya, i got in here without all of that other stuff you have to do. But then i found that you have to actually pull out some energy work to actually get out of your body, and i felt like a dummie. So yeah, thats how i felt lol.

      8. Err, yes, you can. I can confirm this though, that when you look at your body when in the astral you get sucked back in. You want to just try not to look at yourself no matter what. I think, and again its just my theory, that when you look at your body your mind goes crazy with dis belief, and then shoots you back in.

      Any other questions i will be happy to answer, again take what i have to say at just your own speed. The best way to answer your questions is to experience it yourself.

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      wow thank you

      Sounds so exciting.
      Last night I was trying to relax but I read more stuff on here about the shadow people (cant think of their names) I saw them once and they were up the walls and coming towards me.. and my friend was asleep on the floor and kept screaming and stuff in his sleep saying they were getting him. And he NEVER dreams which is sad in its self.
      they look like dementias from Harry Potter
      so yeah last night.. I felt vibrations and I had only been lying down for about 20seconds I didn't believe it..and didn't take much notice! and then I was dreaming.. I woke up with a loud beep and a bright light. So I failed ahah

      I Understand about the communication thing.. in a dream you dont see mouths move you just kinda hear it in your head.

      1.When you are in ap whats your surroundings like? is it just the real world?

      2.To go to different places do you fly into space? sorry I dont know anything

      3.How do you wake up?

      4.Have you ever done anything wrong?

      I am going to keep trying now. It sounds too exciting

      5.If I keep away from every person will I be ok?

      6.Do you take any aids?

      I'm scared about the resisting hot people bit.. I know what I am like sometimes in dreams. I have only ever gone looking for sex once in a LD which was the first time lol after that I found better things to do.
      So sorry for all the questions. I'm so interested

      thank you

      I numbered them for you hehe

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      Interesting tutorial, thanks for it, I'll give it a try. I'll ask my spirit guides and angels to protect me - that will help, I believe. Do you find that makes a difference for you?
      ~Phel

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      Spirit guides and angels do help. If you believe in them that is. If you believe they will help you, then they will. Spirit guides are pretty much a well known thing but angels alot of people dont believe in. What ever your view is, they will help you if you believe they will.

      Lunica, as for your questions:

      1. It can be if your in the physical realm. Other realms are different, so ive heard. Ive only ventured through the physical realm, so i cant tell you for sure.

      2. Um, that is one way. Without a body full of limitations you can do anything you want.. so you can run 200000 miles per hour or whatever. What i do is fly up really high and then just focus on where im going to land and i do, if i have visited that place before that is. If not then i just try to find it by walking or running. Transporting is also used, but its a little more difficult.

      3. To wake up you just have to want to wake up. Just like in a lucid dream, if you think "ok, its time to wake up now body" you will. If something outside of your body is making contact with you or something, you will wake up normally aswell.

      4. No, i have not. I havent ventured very far in ap, but i tend to not want to attract anything to me that i dont want to come to me.

      5. Yeah, you will. There is always a chance that someone will target you for something, but to worry about that would be like worrying about a peice of a comet dropping off and hitting you right on top of your head right now. Ive heard some people say things like, "well i cant go into this persons bedroom to spy on them because a bad person is making me stay out to make me mad", which is kinda silly. Even in the astral there is barriers, and you may not be able to spy on your girlfriend or boyfriend naked, but that is off the topic.

      6. Ive tried some, but they dont work very well. The best way in my opinion is to learn how to do it without aids and then go from there. It is like a muscle, the more you work with it the stronger it will get.

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      thank you

      and last question I have thought of sorry


      Have you seen animals like cats/dogs projecting?

      thanks
      In very many cases, the visionary quality, the quality of the vision so to say, spills over, into the external world, so that the experiencer, when he opens his eyes, sees the outer world transfigured...

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      lol never thought about that, animals astral projecting sounds very likely

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      Well i have seen animals in the astral plane, but i only think they were dead ones. They could have been, but dang i really cant tell you. If i had to say off of studies, i would say that they do it more then we do, but i couldnt tell you for sure.

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      What animals have you seen?


      Have you ever done tests. Like project somewhere around your town and find something then the next day see if its there?
      In very many cases, the visionary quality, the quality of the vision so to say, spills over, into the external world, so that the experiencer, when he opens his eyes, sees the outer world transfigured...

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      dude, the guy who made this tutorial scared me outta trying a astral projecting. I was going to see if me and my cousin could astral project together but now Im just freaked out....

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xibran123 View Post
      dude, the guy who made this tutorial scared me outta trying a astral projecting. I was going to see if me and my cousin could astral project together but now Im just freaked out....
      All you guys fear for nothing. Before you do anything(AP, LD'ing, meditation), always call upon your god, guardians, spirit guides, star elders, angelic beings...etc to place a white ball of energy light around you and your group. Then ask for them to please remove any energy from the ball that isn't that of your group. Finally, ask them If there's any energy your group might have lost, please return it.(if your not in a group, obviously just replace it with yourself) If ever in doubt, call upon them to make sure you only come into contact with good minded people
      This works 100&#37; of the time, you must know this!



      Back on topic, I got half my body OBE through astral projection as a teenage a few years ago, but beacause of ignorance I didn't go through with the OBE and went back to my body. How'd I do it? Well I started off using my simple blue color relaxation technique/meditation: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...99&postcount=6
      . Once I could feel my entire body filled with blue relaxing light, I felt as one, everything was connected on my body in 1 autonomous unit if that makes sense. I just focused on this sensation, became more deep in meditation. All of the sudden my legs from my feet to my lower abs started rising. It got to my chest and it was the craziest sensation. Half my body was flying in the air while the other half was fighting in a will game against my mind stuck in bed. Like I said though, I was young and scared and chose not to.

      I do plan to try this after my naps though. This is perfect as WILDS are favorable only after 5-6 hours sleep(REM stage), sometimes I just nap for an hour or 2 and want to WILD but can't. Now it looks like AP will take that place. Wow, I'm taking on a lot here... Meditation(which ive been doing), Lucid Dreaming(which I just started), and now it looks like Astral Projection. I don't really see them as all different though. They're quite similar in nature, I feel they're all interconnected. Meditation helps you get relaxed and disconnected, which is what is also coincidently needed to Lucid Dream. Matter of fact, I started the OBE off of pure intent to meditate. So I consider some form of meditation required to AP.

      I'll let you know how it goes
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      C9, could you give a summary of your original post? I'm no good with taking in long paragraphs of information.

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      What do you mean we always do this every night? AP? i've never AP'd, i just dream. If i ever AP there wont be any promises keeping away from the hot chicks. Almost everyd ay i'm drained like a zombie, it can't get any worse then that having your energy sucked from you. Unless you're a zombie all day long....thankfully i eventually get my energy back and i can walk, not drag myself.

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      Well to answer everyones questions:

      Lunica: My very first OBE experience was when i took a nap on my couch and proceeded with this tutorial. Once i was sitting up in my couch, i saw my cat (who was 3 months old at the time) start to play with a roll of toilet paper that i was using to blow my nose with. I then saw the cat proceed to tear apart the toilet paper, and throw peices everywhere in the living room. When i awoke, i saw that in fact the roll of toilet paper was shredded, and the cat was laying in the middle of the room licking its legs.

      Xibran: ITS NOT SCARY - Just dont do anything that would scare anything else, and you will be fine.

      dtrevinofl: Your first paragraph is a very good religous way to go about astral projecting, but to people who do not believe in such things, it wont help. But for those of you who need to get a for sure way to stay safe and have ran out of options, that would be a good one to try.

      Jd: Sure buddy, just after you awake from your nap make sure to keep your eyes closed and keep your breathing as steady as what it was while you were sleeping. Also make sure not to move. You can move if you have to, and it can still work, but ive found not moving works better. Then just imagine your sleeping, and fight against the will to move that you will get in about a minute or so. Then you will get vibrations and you will be pulled out of your body. That is as general as i can make it, but reading the first post would be more beneficial.

      Flanders: Everyone projects every night, but projecting doesnt mean running around the world in your astral body. Everyone once they fall asleep rises out of their body and just kinda float above themselfs. You can see everyone doing this while you project too.

      Hope that helps guys.

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      Well i don't AP everynight. I just dream. I dunno if dreams are just OBE's, all i know is it's your brain telling you things and it's up to you to listen.

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      Again like i said you probably dont even know your doing it. Everyone hovers above their body at night while they sleep, they just dont know it.

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      That's opinion, not a fact.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      That's opinion, not a fact.
      This is beyond dreaming forum, read the sticky at the top of the forum.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dtrevinofl View Post
      This is beyond dreaming forum, read the sticky at the top of the forum.

      No shit.

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      Um, all do respect, but it is fact. Everyone does it... go to www.astralsociety.com or to robert bruces website, and you will see that they state the same thing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      No shit.
      So give up on expecting facts in a faith based forum, your continually going be let down

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