Thread: the occult

Ouija boards are over rated.

if you don't have a reason then you probably shouldn't

What is the name of the site? I am curious?

www.preterhuman.net

contacting spirits is more dangerous than you can imagine and from personal expirience i advise against it.

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

www.preterhuman.net

the site doesn't work

Talking to the deceased is no less or more dangerous than talking to the living. However, I agree with Juroara, if you don't have a purpose to do so, why bother?

The deceased have a very different perspective on the world we live in. They can give you information about our reality that you wouldn't be able to gleen on your own, but they don't just jump out and tell you stuff without your asking. They play by rules too. So if you don't have a question you want answered, there's not much point in just saying "hi."

People who are both blind and deaf don't spend a lot of money on movie tickets.

Originally Posted by ray

contacting spirits is more dangerous than you can imagine and from personal expirience i advise against it.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Talking to the deceased is no less or more dangerous than talking to the living. However, I agree with Juroara, if you don't have a purpose to do so, why bother?

The deceased have a very different perspective on the world we live in. They can give you information about our reality that you wouldn't be able to gleen on your own, but they don't just jump out and tell you stuff without your asking. They play by rules too. So if you don't have a question you want answered, there's not much point in just saying "hi."

People who are both blind and deaf don't spend a lot of money on movie tickets.

Two personal experiences to choose from hmmm, which should I accept, dangerous or not...hmmm.

Interestingly enough I'm watching family guy right now and it is dealing with spirits and the occult.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Two personal experiences to choose from hmmm, which should I accept, dangerous or not...hmmm.

Interestingly enough I'm watching family guy right now and it is dealing with spirits and the occult.

Well, look at it this way; You could walk up to someone on the street and ask them what time it was and they could pull a gun on you, shoot you in both knees, steal your wallet, wedding ring and all your personal possessions and leave you bleeding to death in an alley. OR you could ask someone what time it was and they could hand you the Rolex off their wrist.

Spirits are no different in that respect. Some are very munificent and some are very angry and violent.

That's what I meant by "Talking to the dead is no less or more dangerous than talking to the living."

Knowing whom you are contacting and why is just as important in dealing with the Deceased as it is in dealing with the living.

Hmm, I guess lol.

What time is it?
Time to die!

saxonharp is right, going into the occult is a very dangerous and long path.
My best advice would be to stay away, but i have my reason for that.
I have known a few people to follow that path, and go right deep into them( they didnt just 'talk' to spirits, the got to invovled with them).

What do you want out of these spirits?
What gain will you get by talking with them?
Will they actually help you or not?

Many people have gone done that path, and have lead a terrible reailty.

Originally Posted by Sarin

saxonharp is right, going into the occult is a very dangerous and long path.

Actually, I wasn't disuading Ahhchuu at all. Nor was I encouraging. Power is Power and Knowledge is Knowledge. Neither are good or bad in and of themselves. It's what is done with Power and Knowledge that makes it "good" or "bad" depending on your own personal set of morals and values.

"The Occult" is simply a term used to describe various, non-standard methods of connecting with entities who have both more Power and more Knowledge than we as humans can posess.

That being said, being able to convince them to share that Power and Knowledge with you without it costing you anything (usually more than you'd care to part with) is pretty tricky and not something people should attempt without a lot of support and protection if they wish to remain both sane and hale.

But my original assertion is that in alternate realities, there are just as many negative, positive and neutral influences as there are in our normal reality. We learn how to deal with these influences in our normal reality through this trial and error session called life. If we're fortunate, we have caring parents and teachers who help us avoid most of the most dangerous pitfalls, but eventually we're all on our own.

Operating in alternate realities is no different. You learn by doing. If you are wise and fortunate, you will seek the aid and protection of your Guides, Allies and Benefactor prior to doing ANYTHING in these alternate realities, but that doesn't mean you CAN'T do it on your own.

My personal belief is that would be stupid, but there's lots of stupid people in the world and who am I to judge or direct them?

It always worries me a little when someone is thinking of delving into the occult and wants to start right out with calling up spirits. For the most part the hermetic path is about self transformation. You might try a book called "Between the Gates" by Mark Stavish for an overview of magic(k) with and emphasis on LD and AP and see if it's something that you are honestly interested in.

The people I have personally known who tried experimenting with the occult and contacting spirits all had negative experiences. Nothing good happened.
So I wouldn't recommend it.
I have found that if a spirit needs to contact you they will. But for some reason, when we live humans go delving into their world, there is just too much that can go wrong.
Instead of using the occult, you could always try ghost hunting instead. Or walking in a cemetery on Halloween night. I've done these things and seen some weird stuff. It's a good thrill, and so far I've not known of anything bad happening to anyone.

There's one thing I can say. Believe me, using spirits for revenge, money, or any other reasons is dangerous. If you just call them for no reason they can be even worse. I know it from personal experience and nothing good comes out of them. At the beginning, you'll find it's good but, when it comes back to get what it wants, you'll wish that you've never tried anything from that kind. I strongly disrecommend it!

I'm open to believing in a wide range of things, but the occult? You guys are talking about calling up spirits and stuff. I'd like to hear more personal experiences and why we should believe them.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

I'm open to believing in a wide range of things, but the occult? You guys are talking about calling up spirits and stuff. I'd like to hear more personal experiences and why we should believe them.

I have some personal experiences but I won't really like to share them all. Although, I shared one of them in the "Voices when I try to sleep" forum in Beyond Dreaming. Again, I was doing a spell, I tried calling a spirit and it ended bad. "Bad" - as hearing footsteps in my room when I'm alone, whispering and others.
And why should you believe in them? Well, no one can force you to. There's not any proof of their existence either. The best way for you to believe it is to experience it.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

I'm open to believing in a wide range of things, but the occult? You guys are talking about calling up spirits and stuff. I'd like to hear more personal experiences and why we should believe them.

What kind of personal experiences would you like to hear about, Wanbli Sapa? Would you like to hear about the spirits of dead people who haven't finished their journeys yet? Or would you rather hear about the spirits of those who have never chosen to incarnate? Or would you perhaps prefer to hear about the more esoteric spirits - Stone, Water, Air, Fire? How about the Wankian, the Thunder Beings? They are spirit as well.

Or do you want to hear about those Dark Ones- the Spirits of Hate, Anger, Grief?

We walk in a world full of Spirit. Everything around us is Spirit, just as we are ourselves.

As for why we should believe them; that's up to you. But the ones worth listening to have no reason or need to be untruthful. What you do with their truth is entirely up to you.

Saxonharp...does anything spiritual happen to you that is visible outside of your own senses? If so could you video tape one of the encounters?

The word Occult stems from the latin word occultus, meaning hidden or secret. The term has a broad definition and entails much more than communicating with spirits. I've heard many refer to lucid dreaming as an occult practice, which makes sense because it can be used to percieve things that are not normally percievable. If you are trying to communicate with spirits then research a form of divination called necromancy. However if you have never practiced any sort of divination before, you should consider starting with an easier route than necromancy, which can be extremely difficult and create intense experiences if done correctly.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Saxonharp...does anything spiritual happen to you that is visible outside of your own senses? If so could you video tape one of the encounters?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You can't video tape knowledge and understanding. Can you video tape the experience of a ball game? No. You can video tape the ball game, but not the experience of it. That is a personal thing that cannot be shared with anyone else. You can use words to describe it, draw pictures, write songs and poetry, but all those things are still NOT the experience itself. Someone might even be right next to you AT the aforementioned ball game and they STILL will not have the same experience you had.

I can discuss with you various examples of my interactions with both Spirit and spirits, but again, those are not the actual experiences - just my descriptions. I can share with the results of my experiences - again in words - but I cannot share the experience.

If you want videos of ghosts or levitating Yogis, watch the Sci-Fi channel or go to You Tube. There's plenty there. How authentic they are is for you to decide.

So what your saying is that it isn't viewable outside of your own senses...?

I'm fine with just the video taped description hehe...but if the video is just you standing there with your eyes closed then it isn't very helpful.

Is this shamanistic thing you do a family tradition?

Originally Posted by Sandform

Is this shamanistic thing you do a family tradition?

Yes.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Yes.

That is neat. Have you been able to teach people outside of your family (and outside of other families who also do it) to do what you do, or has anyone for that matter?


I only ask because if you actually have a mental disorder...the fact that it is a family tradition only makes it slightly more likely that it is a disorder. I mean, I guess that sounds rude to say, but I have to ask you to try not to think to poorly of this statement, because to be fair from my side of the computer screen and with my past experiences it makes more sense to me that you have a genetic predisposition for mental abnormalities...such as seizures in the occipital lobe and temporal lobes that can cause hallucinations without tremors...

If what your experiencing is actually something outside of your mind, and indicative to the nature that you have ascribed it, that is cool though.