Thread: Have I Commited Dream Crime?

To me the issue is the same as with violent video games or porn or anything else. Many people imagine that they can fantasize whatever they want without consequences. But everything you think and feel changes who you are, the quality of your perceptions and appetites. And who you are inevitably leaks into your outward life and how you treat other people, in one way or another.

I don't think that what you do during a lucid dream is fundamentally more real than in any other fantasy, though you may be more conscious of the consequences in the lucid dream. I don't think its something to get all uptight about - I've committed crimes in dreams. A lot of what we do while awake is pretty bad too if we're honest about it, and a lot of it is unavoidable.

I've had a couple of disturbing experiences where I committed a violent act in a dream and life-threatening results followed a few hours later in waking life. I don't think that I 'caused' those events to happen, I think my first person role in the dream was probably more empathetic than causal. But in one case I'm pretty sure I was at least somewhat responsible, and in none of the cases is it something I can blow off completely.

I've never encountered police in dreams that I recall.

Some people treat themselves terribly. So I think that while treating other people as you would treat yourself is generally a good idea, it comes up short as a single universal principle.

Well the dream realm has its space and from reading this, I think about when I was told Don't even dream about it.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

To me the issue is the same as with violent video games or porn or anything else. Many people imagine that they can fantasize whatever they want without consequences. But everything you think and feel changes who you are, the quality of your perceptions and appetites. And who you are inevitably leaks into your outward life and how you treat other people, in one way or another.

I don't think that what you do during a lucid dream is fundamentally more real than in any other fantasy, though you may be more conscious of the consequences in the lucid dream. I don't think its something to get all uptight about - I've committed crimes in dreams. A lot of what we do while awake is pretty bad too if we're honest about it, and a lot of it is unavoidable.

I've had a couple of disturbing experiences where I committed a violent act in a dream and life-threatening results followed a few hours later in waking life. I don't think that I 'caused' those events to happen, I think my first person role in the dream was probably more empathetic than causal. But in one case I'm pretty sure I was at least somewhat responsible, and in none of the cases is it something I can blow off completely.

I've never encountered police in dreams that I recall.

Some people treat themselves terribly. So I think that while treating other people as you would treat yourself is generally a good idea, it comes up short as a single universal principle.

The speed of astral projection from the mind is C squared, and from the heart it is C cubed.
C is light speed.

Something to think about it.

Originally Posted by juroara

lol, its your inner consciousness. you might feel guilty over the actions you have done in various dreams. and that part of your consciousness is being played out as police

This made a lot of sense, I suppose this is very viable, pretty interesting idea though.

Originally Posted by Pegasis

The speed of astral projection from the mind is C squared, and from the heart it is C cubed.
C is light speed.

Something to think about it.

Since c is about 3e8m/s, c squared would be 9e16 meters squared per second squared, which isn't a speed. Likewise c cubed would be meters cubed per seconds cubed, which isn't a speed. You can't just square or cube the number without affecting the units, it doesn't work that way.

Hmm, funny thing is, if dream cops DID exist, us LDers would destroy them

TMN

I think in one's dreams one needs to follow one's own laws, or else the dream police who are of course a part of your own mind (conscience?) will come and get you, if you are not true to yourself and do something that you find objectionable and believe that you should not be doing even in your dreams. Now, different people have different approaches to this. My rules are actually pretty strict even for my dreams. I know some people who believe that anything goes in dreams - and if that is truely what they believe and their subconscious agrees, I bet they won't get a visit from the dream police.

It is the number that increases, the units remain the same.

Originally Posted by Pegasis

It is the number that increases, the units remain the same.

It makes no sense to square a number without squaring the units. You obviously don't have a clear thought about what "C squared" or "the speed of astral projection" even means, you just made that up, or someone else made it up and you repeated it because you thought it sounded compelling.

In several systems of natural units, the speed of light is 1 (Natural units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). If you square that, without squaring the unit, you get 1. If you cube it you get 1. Or we can use some other units, like light-seconds per minute, and squaring or cubing the number will make it smaller instead of larger. Squaring or cubing has no meaning at all without the units. If you have 1m, and you square it, you get 1m-squared. But if you square 100cm, you get 10,000cm-squared. If squaring 100cm were to result in 100cm-squared, that would mean that squaring 1m results in 0.1m, not 1m. Likewise if dealing with m/s or any other unit of velocity.

Why do I care? I'm just fed up with all the lying. People who want to understand anything having to do with astral projection have to dig through a mountain of it.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

In several systems of natural units, the speed of light is 1 (Natural units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). If you square that, without squaring the unit, you get 1. If you cube it you get 1. Or we can use some other units, like light-seconds per minute, and squaring or cubing the number will make it smaller instead of larger. Squaring or cubing has no meaning at all without the units. If you have 1m, and you square it, you get 1m-squared. But if you square 100cm, you get 10,000cm-squared. If squaring 100cm were to result in 100cm-squared, that would mean that squaring 1m results in 0.1m, not 1m. Likewise if dealing with m/s or any other unit of velocity.

Why do I care? I'm just fed up with all the lying. People who want to understand anything having to do with astral projection have to dig through a mountain of it.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

It makes no sense to square a number without squaring the units. You obviously don't have a clear thought about what "C squared" or "the speed of astral projection" even means, you just made that up, or someone else made it up and you repeated it because you thought it sounded compelling.

Originally Posted by Pegasis

It is the number that increases, the units remain the same.

I shall try to simplify this, You cannot add 3 apples and four oranges.
If I had four oranges, and wanted to get the number of oranges squared, I would have sixteen oranges.
If I had four oranges, and wanted to get the number of oranges cubed, I would have sixtyfour oranges.
Just because I am squaring or cubing the value, I would not end up with, I would notend up holding an orange, orange, or orange, orange, orange in my hand. I would still be and orange.
Just like if have had my oranges and increased the values by multiplying or addding, they are still oranges.
I hope this puts things right.

Originally Posted by Pegasis

I shall try to simplify this, You cannot add 3 apples and four oranges.
If I had four oranges, and wanted to get the number of oranges squared, I would have sixteen oranges.
....
I hope this puts things right.

It doesn't. It does illustrate the problem. You have 8 orange halves. Square that and you get 64 halves, which is 32 oranges, not sixteen. Change the units and you can get any result you want. If you don't like using halves, put 4 oranges in one bundle, and square the one bundle, and you still have one bundle which is 4 oranges. Or square a quarter bundle and that's 1/16 bundle, which is a quarter of an orange, down from one orange.

Unlike with oranges, where 'one orange' might be considered the most natural unit, the choice between English or SI units for velocity is almost entirely arbitrary. But it still changes the result when you square the velocity if you don't square the units also. You can get any result you want depending on the choice of units, so the concept of squaring 'c' without squaring the units is completely meaningless. Arguably he most natural units are the Natural Units I linked to, where c is 1, and squaring that or cubing that is still 1 in both cases. But if you square the units, then its no longer a velocity.

I've had a few encounters with the dream police.

On one occasion where I was phasing through walls they used special hand-cuffs on me, I wasn't supposed to be able to phase out of these but I still managed to although it was slightly more difficult.

It makes me wonder what would it take to fully contain a LD'er or superhuman? If you were strapped down, blindfolded, gagged, drugged... would you be able to escape?

If we remain in the dream world permanently when we die it won't be as simple as escaping back to your body IRL.

well all i know is if your dreaming you can do what ever you want. i would of kiked butt. but ive herd in the astral realm there are rules. but hell if i know, ive only been in astral a few times and i cant deny or con rim any sort of rules.

Originally Posted by Eonnn

I've had a few encounters with the dream police.

On one occasion where I was phasing through walls they used special hand-cuffs on me, I wasn't supposed to be able to phase out of these but I still managed to although it was slightly more difficult.

It makes me wonder what would it take to fully contain a LD'er or superhuman? If you were strapped down, blindfolded, gagged, drugged... would you be able to escape?

If one was rescued he or she would be fine. But would one be rescued and if so, Why?

Originally Posted by Eonnn

If we remain in the dream world permanently when we die it won't be as simple as escaping back to your body IRL.

Given the below quotes, It makes me think "So be loving, careful and strong, Lest you be consumed. Be lucid in life, Away from doing evils."

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

To me the issue is the same as with violent video games or porn or anything else. Many people imagine that they can fantasize whatever they want without consequences. But everything you think and feel changes who you are, the quality of your perceptions and appetites. And who you are inevitably leaks into your outward life and how you treat other people, in one way or another.

And do things from waking life go into dreams too? (Yes, IMHO.) If someone dreamed of eating strawberries with a purple hippopotamus, I might be able to see something related to it on/in him/her the next day though I might not know all the specifics.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

I don't think that what you do during a lucid dream is fundamentally more real than in any other fantasy, though you may be more conscious of the consequences in the lucid dream. I don't think its something to get all uptight about - I've committed crimes in dreams. A lot of what we do while awake is pretty bad too if we're honest about it, and a lot of it is unavoidable.

It's not something to beat one's self up about but doing crimes intentionally should be prevented, In waking life and in dreams. Forgiveness of self and forgiveness of others helps tremendously here.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

I've had a couple of disturbing experiences where I committed a violent act in a dream and life-threatening results followed a few hours later in waking life. I don't think that I 'caused' those events to happen, I think my first person role in the dream was probably more empathetic than causal. But in one case I'm pretty sure I was at least somewhat responsible, and in none of the cases is it something I can blow off completely.

I've never encountered police in dreams that I recall.

Some people treat themselves terribly. So I think that while treating other people as you would treat yourself is generally a good idea, it comes up short as a single universal principle.

I've had dreams that seemed to show part of what would happen the next day and I believe I take myself with me in dreams and I agree about that.

And perhaps there could be dream police, They certainly would be helpful and if I started working for them it would be educational too.

"Treat others how you wish to be treated" "Give and you'll always be given to" and "Love one another" Are what I'm thinking of following instead of that last paragraph.

Originally Posted by Inkheart

That does actually sound pretty scary, but the creepy thing would be if thoase things where exactly what you have done in ur dreams

haha i was thinking the same thing... the rapes lol... well its beter to dream it then to do it i guess.

Originally Posted by Eonnn

It makes me wonder what would it take to fully contain a LD'er or superhuman? If you were strapped down, blindfolded, gagged, drugged... would you be able to escape?

You should suggest this in Task of the Month thread. Get yourself arrested or incapacitated and escape.

It's cool too see that your subconscious connected 187 with murder.

I am somehow very disturbed that you would run around in your dreamworld, committing mass murder and mass rape . . .

That's just wrong man, no matter if you are awake or asleep . . .

There's just one universal law which applies to any existent world, and that is to treat it as you would yourself.

This is how I treat the dream world, even if I'm lucid. Even though I know I can do absolutely anything I want, my conscious ends up playing a big part. It gets to the point that when a DC gets hurt, and I'm lucid, I'll go over to them and see if they need help. I know they're a DC and I'm in a dream and yet I'm still concerned.

Surprisingly though this doesn't hamper my enjoyment of the lucid dream.