Thread: Bring your arguments on psi HERE!

Well thats true also...

Originally posted by Kaniaz+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaniaz)</div>

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THAT BASTARD KNEW THE LAST MOVE I WAS GONNA DO IN SMACKDOWN!!!!!!!!
Cheatin ass ngga lookin into the future and shit!!!!!!!

Wouldnt this be a breaking of the \"powers for personal gain\" rule, that some invisible being oversees?

Originally posted by UMJ+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(UMJ)</div>

Most phychics are female.[/b]

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Everyone is psychic, male and females, no difference.

You see, if I really believed in physic powers, things like this would make me think otherwise. Who am I supposed to believe here?[/b]

Wer was speaking of the concept that anybody can develop their phychic powers through the proper meditative techniques. psipog.com is a good example of such meditation.

I was stating the fact that must phychis that are born with advanced powers are female.

D4 is not a Witch, who is governed by existance not to use their powers for personal gain, D4 can do whatever the hell he wants (damn bastard!).

Originally posted by minion_qb
#2. There is no proof psi doesn't exist.

There is no proof pink elephants don't exist. However, we don't believe in those either, do we?

D4 is not a Witch, who is governed by existance not to use their powers for personal gain, D4 can do whatever the hell he wants (damn bastard!).[/b]

Witches? Oh dear.

Arguing about the existance of psi is a fruitless and pointless argument. If you practice some exercises at psi pog or have read anything by them you see that they honestly don't care.

I was just stating some experiences I had.

Originally posted by UMJ
Arguing about the existance of psi is a fruitless and pointless argument. If you practice some exercises at psi pog or have read anything by them you see that they honestly don't care.

What has the stance of PsiPog on the matter of existence of psi got to do with this?

There is no proof pink elephants don't exist. However, we don't believe in those either, do we?[/b]

I can't say I've seen and evidence to suggest that pink elephants exist, but if I we're to see some then I would accept the possibility. Equally there may be no proof of PSI but there is evidence.

Show me evidence and I'll accept a possibility, show me proof and I'll believe it - are you sure you're not thinking of pink wooly mamoths?

The only "evidence" I've been presented with are easily fakeable videos and people saying "well, i did it." It's just not enough.

There is no proof pink elephants don't exist. However, we don't believe in those either, do we?[/b]

What are you talking about? Pink elephants exist, I saw one last week

Look at this for some thoughts on Randi's million dollar challenge:
http://telekinesis.mine.nu/TK/f_viewtopic.php?id=683

I had a look at that thread. To put it nicely, they're full of crap, aren't they? A few of them don't know what a skeptic is, some don't fully understand the challenge, and one seems to think that James Randi is part of a goverment conspiracy to keep telekinesis from us.

There,s a show on TV called...Pet Psychick..

I have watched for a few minutes and I got a real kick out of it.
There is a lady who says she talks to your pet and your pet talks back to her
Telling her their problems and what not. In my opinion it,s a big crock of s...
thats what makes it so funny.

Yes I know animals are intelligent and do communicate with humans but I
don,t believe for a second that your pet dog gets on TV and tells this lady
personal things about you.

She also speaks to your pets that passed away to help you cope with the loss.
Tells you how it died and that it is visiting you and how happy it is.....gimme a break

I don't really understand why all you skeptics think we're all lieing about doing tk and such. There are hundreds to thousands of people talking about their experiences in it.

There is no proof pink elephants don't exist. However, we don't believe in those either, do we?[/b]

What if a thousand people were talking about seeing pink elephants? What if all of them were posting videos of pink elephants?

I think psi exists, but I doubt it's as easy to do as everyone says it is... you can't just stare at something and make it catch fire, so many stupid teens have tried this crap that, if it were that easy, then there would be quite alot of fire fights and people burning to death. I wish I could do it though... I'd like to be able to read minds and use telepathy, make someone have an orgasm on sight... heheheh... but it just doesn't happen so easily...

I don't really understand why all you skeptics think we're all lieing about doing tk and such. There are hundreds to thousands of people talking about their experiences in it.

You're not lying. You're lying to yourselves (ie: delusional).

There is no proof pink elephants don't exist. However, we don't believe in those either, do we?

What if a thousand people were talking about seeing pink elephants? What if all of them were posting videos of pink elephants?

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Nice rhetorical question. Post more, it saves me time.

*Sigh*

Dunno if anyone noticed, but I stopped arguing in here - there's no point, the discussion goes nowhere.
I can do telekinesis, have shown it to some family and friends (selectively, for fear of burning at a stake)
I know I'm not delusional so to be honest, I don't give a rat's arse about these discussions any more.
They leave a bad taste... the way you can argue on and on and not come to any form of agreement or connection

If you don't want to believe in it - fine. Its your ignorance, not mine.

PS: I don't claim it to be easy, or that I can move mountains. My telekinesis is incredibly modest - but its beyond a doubt to those who have watched me

Yeah. I have also shown people tk, they thought I was shaking the table and blowing it, even though I couldn't have been, they were watching my every move. Most people don't believe in what they fail to interperit.

What exactly was it that you two were trying to move? Maybe I could find or make such an object and try a few things with it. If it was something very light that could be effected by even the slightest movements of air, hopefully you sealed the object in a clear container before performing telekinesis on it, just to be more sure that you aren't unknowingly fooling yourselves or others.

I've moved a pinwheel behind glass, and a floating toothpick (floating in water) under glass. However the glass does make it quite a bit harder - because of the mental hurdle involved (worry/fear/doubt is a killer).

What I'm doing at the moment is practicing with pinwheels in a closed room, with a cloth over my mouth, and on a very stable surface.
I've also watched what the pinwheel does when I haven't started - and its as still as a dead mouse. I always check what the behaviour of the object is prior to attempting anything. And decharge any static in the bathroom first.
I also do my best to move the pinwheel without moving my fingers (to avoid movement of air)

Once I achieve greater control of the pinwheel (haven't perfected it yet), then I'll have another go at moving it under glass
I'll post a video when I get to that point - but I don't know how long that will take

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Other natural forces I've checked for - magnetism, static, air, heat. They all fail to be the direct cause of the movement.
In the case of the toothpick in water, there is a bit of water convection in the equation, but this causes very very slow movement.
I take this into account when doing my stuff...

What exactly is this pinwheel thing like, and what do you make it (and the toothpick) do?

What exactly is this pinwheel thing like, and what do you make it (and the toothpick) do?[/b]

You spin a pinwheel or some people make it rock back and forth. I, personally, spin it with my hand and stop it with tk.

http://www.psipog.net/media.html

that link shows pinwheels.

Originally posted by dreamwalker007
I, personally, spin it with my hand and stop it with tk.

Did you, by any chance, forget to take friction into account? Thanks for the link though, I was able to make a pinwheel out of a small square of paper and a thumbtack. I watched it for a few minutes and it would slowly turn in either direction seemingly at random. I can certainly see why someone could be fooled by one of those, because even wind so slight that it can't be detected by human skin can move the wheel quite easily. When I placed it under a jar, it didn't move though. I'll see what I can come up with on that.

Did you, by any chance, forget to take friction into account?[/b]

Personally, I don't do that... I move it from a standstill, but just tap it at the start to see how it moves, wait for it to stop, then TK it.

watched it for a few minutes and it would slowly turn in either direction seemingly at random. I can certainly see why someone could be fooled by one of those[/b]

Indeed - a lot of people fool themselves unfortunately.
You need to be objective when doing this

Eg. Touch a bathroom tap (decharge static), close all windows, put a cloth in front of your mouth, and observe the pinwheel for a while. Also move your hand around it, and see what sort of effect the air has. Basically test for any external obvious causes.
Then when doing TK - move your hand as slowly as possible - and try to keep your hand still when moving it.

When I placed it under a jar, it didn't move though. I'll see what I can come up with on that.[/b]

Noble idea, however its far harder to move it under glass. I've budged it slightly, but thats about it.
The reason seems to be a mental one... the fact that there's a barrier causes doubt and worry

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A possible alternative: Put the pinwheel in a container, with an open top. High enough 'walls' to prevent air movement. It's not perfect, but not bad...

Hey Placebo, do you believe in unicorns and sasquatches too? I can't prove that they don't exist.

Originally posted by dreamwalker007+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dreamwalker007)</div>

You know, all of us psichics are stepping on uncharted ground. We don't really have that many studies on anything because psichic abilities haven't had many, if any, scientistic tests.[/b]

The is 100% untrue. Supernatural powers have repeatedly failed the test of science an unbelievable number of times. Countless studies have shown no basis to these claims of paranormal activity.

Originally posted by Yogi Bare@
I do claim that I have seen enough evidence to suggest the scientists don't know all the answers

Science doesn't claim to have all the answer either. It just does its best to find out what those answers are.

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First thing that comes to mind are the numerous accounts of people knowing when certain other people phone them.

That phenomenon is completely explainable by statistics alone. But I'm sure that you're exaggerating the whole \"4 out of 5\" times number...unless of course every 4 out of 5 phone calls is your mother.

Originally posted by minion_qb+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(minion_qb)</div>

#2. There is no proof psi doesn't exist.[/b]

There's no proof that unicorns and sasquatches don't exist.

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Dunno if anyone noticed, but I stopped arguing in here - there's no point, the discussion goes nowhere. *
I can do telekinesis, have shown it to some family and friends (selectively, for fear of burning at a stake) *
I know I'm not delusional so to be honest, I don't give a rat's arse about these discussions any more. *
They leave a bad taste... the way you can argue on and on and not come to any form of agreement or connection

You're a funny guy Placebo, if you're so enlightened and we're such idiots why don't you help us see the light?! I beg of you to help me understand the wonders of "psi abilities". Teach me master!!

Surely at least one of the "thousands of psychics" out there could come forward and show us what we're all missing? Is that too much to ask?

Honestly though, for these experiments, why do you use things that are so easily moved by external forces? (ie. a pinwheel or a pin floating in water). Why can't you just make a pencil roll up a slope or make a jagged rock slide across a table? Lemme guess, that kind of demonstration would require "mental power that far exceeds your own." Some psychic you are.

Originally posted by bradybaker+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bradybaker)</div>

Hey Placebo, do you believe in unicorns and sasquatches too? I can't prove that they don't exist.[/b]

Where there's plenty of smoke, there is usually a fire. I've never heard of a unicorn being sighted within the last century

Originally posted by bradybaker@

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Dunno if anyone noticed, but I stopped arguing in here - there's no point, the discussion goes nowhere. *
I can do telekinesis, have shown it to some family and friends (selectively, for fear of burning at a stake) *
I know I'm not delusional so to be honest, I don't give a rat's arse about these discussions any more. *
They leave a bad taste... the way you can argue on and on and not come to any form of agreement or connection

You're a funny guy Placebo, if you're so enlightened and we're such idiots why don't you help us see the light?! I beg of you to help me understand the wonders of \"psi abilities\". Teach me master!!

Surely at least one of the \"thousands of psychics\" out there could come forward and show us what we're all missing? Is that too much to ask?

Aah, screw you
I never claimed to be a 'master', you arse
That doesn't mean I have no ability whatsoever...

Originally posted by bradybaker+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bradybaker)</div>

Honestly though, for these experiments, why do you use things that are so easily moved by external forces? (ie. a pinwheel or a pin floating in water). Why can't you just make a pencil roll up a slope or make a jagged rock slide across a table?[/b]

Because I'm not a 'master' as you seem to have labelled me ?

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Lemme guess, that kind of demonstration would require \"mental power that far exceeds your own.\" Some psychic you are.

A airoplane flight to my house
And for me to give a flying fuck about your opinion at this point...

So that's a negative on the demonstration then? Typical.