Thread: Sleep paralysis and Supernatural Assault

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Here's a link to a radio show about SP and supernatural assaults.
http://www.binnallofamerica.com/boaa3.23.9.html

While not the most informed people, there are still some interesting parts.

In particular I like the story they told of some cocky guy who challenged one of those bodiless evil entities people sometime sense in their room during SP. While the guy was still scared, he was a cocky individual and pretty much told the thing "Bring it on! Show me what you got!". His house mates asked him if he had rearranged his furniture at 2 in the morning because of the racket coming from his room. Apparently the thing threw him around the room, threw him up against the wall, ect.

I really admire that guy's guts. I try to literally tackle shadow people, but I seriously don't know if I could challenge the bodiless types like that. They really scare me. I'm going to have to try it anyways, even if I do get my butt kicked.

Another interesting topic they covered was how to go about seeing things like that. Basically they say to deprive yourself of sleep, and to sleep very lightly, waking yourself up constantly. But they don't recommend people do that, too freaky. Anways, that's very similar to how I used to do it unintentionally. I would meditate before bed to facilitate entering the HI stage, then wake myself up to record the HI. It was at those times I would see similar things. I stopped doing it because it was too scary.

But now I'm ready for a rematch! Anyone else with any balls care to join me in exploring this? Seems like there is a replicable way to induce those things, whatever you want them label it as. Would appreciate any help refining methods to induce those type of encounters. Pussies need not apply, as it's not for the faint of heart.

hmm, I've never really encountered these shadow people before, so, I can't really tell how scary they are. Curious, when you encountered them, did anything stand out to you?

You mean other than a freaky ass shadow person standing in the middle of my room when I was wide awake? Not really. They just kind of stand there.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

You mean other than a freaky ass shadow person standing in the middle of my room when I was wide awake? Not really. They just kind of stand there.

You said wide awake? So, was this before you went to sleep or after you woke up? I am not doubting your account or others since it seems so many people on DV has seen them, but, could you have hallucinated? I have some theories on what they could be, but, not sure if I should bring them up in this thread

I've only seen them after I wake up, and they do seem to be tied to the twilight stages between waking and sleeping. Wasn't a false awakening or anything. They stay there as long as I don't move too much. If I get up to take a closer look, they disappear. Likewise if I try to tackle them.

Last night was my first night of shadow hunting, but I didn't see anything. I would scan my room whenever I woke up instead of recalling my dreams, but didn't see anything. On that radio show, they say sleep deprivation helps, but I'm getting way too much sleep.

One problem might have been my room was too cluttered. Had my fan in the middle of the room, my chair, so there wasn't much room for a shadow person to stand. Plus my bedroom door and closet door were open, which made for too many dark shadows to see thing properly.

Tonight I'll have my closet and bedroom door closed. The white backdrop should make them easier to see. And I'll clear the floor to give them room to stand, or at least allow me to see better. I'm thinking I should set up some kind of area for them to materialize. A pentagram or something. If it is all in my head, it might help me see them.

I read somewhere that these things usually happen when you sleep on your left side, and are related to right brain activity. Seems to hold true for my experiences, as sleeping on my right side all I can see is the wall.

Well i've seen these people as well in my previous sleep deprivation stunts and they were indeed very creepy. I've never encountered them unless during a sleep deprivation run, which i was planning to do soon anyway (for kicks) so i'll keep you informed if i happen to spot any. As far as ATTACKING them goes, i could try i guess, although i highly doubt i will be able to get anywhere close to them without them disappearing as always.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I've only seen them after I wake up, and they do seem to be tied to the twilight stages between waking and sleeping. Wasn't a false awakening or anything. They stay there as long as I don't move too much. If I get up to take a closer look, they disappear. Likewise if I try to tackle them.

Last night was my first night of shadow hunting, but I didn't see anything. I would scan my room whenever I woke up instead of recalling my dreams, but didn't see anything. On that radio show, they say sleep deprivation helps, but I'm getting way too much sleep.

One problem might have been my room was too cluttered. Had my fan in the middle of the room, my chair, so there wasn't much room for a shadow person to stand. Plus my bedroom door and closet door were open, which made for too many dark shadows to see thing properly.

Tonight I'll have my closet and bedroom door closed. The white backdrop should make them easier to see. And I'll clear the floor to give them room to stand, or at least allow me to see better. I'm thinking I should set up some kind of area for them to materialize. A pentagram or something. If it is all in my head, it might help me see them.

I read somewhere that these things usually happen when you sleep on your left side, and are related to right brain activity. Seems to hold true for my experiences, as sleeping on my right side all I can see is the wall.

hmm, interesting. Didn't the radio show say that one guy tried to fight one of them and they beat him up?

Originally Posted by Chewnie91

Well i've seen these people as well in my previous sleep deprivation stunts and they were indeed very creepy. I've never encountered them unless during a sleep deprivation run, which i was planning to do soon anyway (for kicks) so i'll keep you informed if i happen to spot any. As far as ATTACKING them goes, i could try i guess, although i highly doubt i will be able to get anywhere close to them without them disappearing as always.

How long have your sleep deprivation runs lasted?

Originally Posted by BigFan

hmm, interesting. Didn't the radio show say that one guy tried to fight one of them and they beat him up?


How long have your sleep deprivation runs lasted?

I've gone 5 days with no stimulants before i made the mistake of sitting on my bed. My head hit the pillow as soon as my ass hit the bed lol. Im gonna go a week soon. But ya, i saw those people on day 4, not just in room, out in public too, it was pretty weird.

Originally Posted by BigFan

hmm, interesting. Didn't the radio show say that one guy tried to fight one of them and they beat him up?

What are they gonna do, nibble my bum? I've been beat up plenty of times, after awhile you don't really care anymore. That's what makes me dangerous. It would be a small price to pay to have some personal proof.

But it wasn't a shadow person that beat him up, it was one of those bodiless evil entities you can feel in your room. I haven't been very brave when faced with those things in the past.

Originally Posted by Chewnie91

I've gone 5 days with no stimulants before i made the mistake of sitting on my bed. My head hit the pillow as soon as my ass hit the bed lol. Im gonna go a week soon. But ya, i saw those people on day 4, not just in room, out in public too, it was pretty weird.

I've never seen them while tired, mostly after meditating and going to bed. Makes me wonder if it's not caused by a certain state of mind. Don't know if I have the will power to sleep deprive myself. I love sleeping too much.

I'll save the sleep deprivation as a last resort. Gotta be an easier way to see them. Perhaps the God Helmet mentioned in that interview, which stimulates the brain with electromagnetic waves. I had read of something similar with magnets used on the third eye, where people saw shadow type entities. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...light=magnetic

Originally Posted by The Cusp

What are they gonna do, nibble my bum? I've been beat up plenty of times, after awhile you don't really care anymore. That's what makes me dangerous. It would be a small price to pay to have some personal proof.

But it wasn't a shadow person that beat him up, it was one of those bodiless evil entities you can feel in your room. I haven't been very brave when faced with those things in the past.

bodiless evil entities? oh boy, thought that they were the shadow people, lol. When do you see these evil entities? So far, whenever I reached SP, I usually have my eyes closed, so, I can't see them unless you can see even with your eyelids closed

Why does one open thy eyes in SP? That's just asking for something scary. Or is it HI, like a dream forming. I get some pretty creepy Hi.


How do you attack them in SP too. This is where I am really confused, but am interested in this subject. I remembered something! My brother was watching this show on discovery and there was these shadow figures that slashed some girls back. On TLC someone was burned in acid with markings and she was a psycho. Maybe there is something..

Your eyes are the only thing you can move during SP. Want to or not, it's hard to resist the temptation to look around. And it's nothing like HI.

Fighting during SP? Well, OK, you got me there. But I usually see shadow people and those other things without SP.

I haven't been able to overcome SP in RL, but sometimes the same thing happens in dreams, where I can't move and find it hard to breath. SP in a dream. The last time that happened to me, I was able to move somewhat. Just my arms, every so slowly with great effort. Just enough to choke whatever was attacking me.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...postcount=1257 (Was a dream, couldn't have been my real bed because my blankets were different)

There was a period where I was having really bad sp episodes every week. for a few months. They started out small and got progressively worse. whenever I thought i was getting used to it the next one would throw a curveball and be a little worse. it started to get to where I would not only be stuck in sp and feel scary presences, but I would also levitate and move around against my will.

one time when I felt a presence I wasnt afraid and challenged it in my mind and I suddenly got really intense pain in my chest. There were some times when I didnt try to wake myself up just to see where it would go, but that wasnt always very pleasant. ( i can usually wake up if I want to, pretty quickly)


Somehow I got over it though. I still have a lot of sp but it's not scary anymore, and it doesnt escalate like it used to. I havent had a bad one in a long time.

How do you attack them in SP too.

I was also wondering what you meant by attacking "them"
If your talking about the same thing I am I dont see how that's possible.

In that radio show they say the attacks usually happen after about 2 minutes into SP.

If the SP last 15 minutes or longer, the people usually experience an OBE.

I guess if you want to fight back during SP, you'd have to leave your body.

Originally Posted by BigFan

bodiless evil entities? oh boy, thought that they were the shadow people, lol. When do you see these evil entities? So far, whenever I reached SP, I usually have my eyes closed, so, I can't see them unless you can see even with your eyelids closed

You can't really see the bodiless ones, but believe me, you know they are there whether you look or not. For me they come during the same times shadow people do. I get one or the other, never both, at least not so far. Sometimes it's shadow people, sometime those pure evil bodiless ones.

If the SP last 15 minutes or longer, the people usually experience an OBE.

I guess if you want to fight back during SP, you'd have to leave your body.

oh, that makes sense. I dont' know if I could do that. Ive been trying to obe with little sucess.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

In that radio show they say the attacks usually happen after about 2 minutes into SP.

If the SP last 15 minutes or longer, the people usually experience an OBE.

I guess if you want to fight back during SP, you'd have to leave your body.

You can't really see the bodiless ones, but believe me, you know they are there whether you look or not. For me they come during the same times shadow people do. I get one or the other, never both, at least not so far. Sometimes it's shadow people, sometime those pure evil bodiless ones.

wow, but, the thing is, do they just randomly attack people? I mean if that's the case, then how come only some people get attacked? I mean everyone gets SP when they are asleep, so, how come they aren't attacked? I still don't see the difference between those entities or shadow people besides the see and don't see component. I have always kept my eyes closed when WILDing and stayed still to reach SP, but, I haven't been able to get very far into it at all. How do you enter SP? Also, it sounds like to see these shadow people, you gotta have your eyes open when SPing. Doesn't that break SP then?

Originally Posted by BigFan

I still don't see the difference between those entities or shadow people besides the see and don't see component.

The main difference beside one having a body and the other not, is in how evil they feel. Shadow people emit evil with the intensity ordinary light bulb. And once you get used to them, they become more of a curiosity than something scary. The bodiless things emit evil with the intensity of the sun.

Originally Posted by BigFan

Also, it sounds like to see these shadow people, you gotta have your eyes open when SPing. Doesn't that break SP then?

Ha! You wish it was that easy to break!

Something they mention on that radio show is that praying or invoking the name of Jesus will often break sleep paralysis. I found that interesting, because I've heard the same thing mentioned in alien abduction cases (which some think is just a form of SP anyways). From the various accounts, it seems to work even for people who don't believe in God. Personally, I think that has to do with the power of archetypes, but I've yet had an opportunity to try it.

Originally Posted by BigFan

do they just randomly attack people?

Beats me. Never really been attacked by one. "Old hag" type scenarios are the only attacks I've had. And they weren't necessarily old hags, usually some kind of banshee looking thing, but they never look the same.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

The main difference beside one having a body and the other not, is in how evil they feel. Shadow people emit evil with the intensity ordinary light bulb. And once you get used to them, they become more of a curiosity than something scary. The bodiless things emit evil with the intensity of the sun.

hmm, I see your point, but, I still think shadow people are hypno... images since, you are in SP since when you have your eyelids closed and are in SP, you see images, so, they are getting layed over reality when your eyes are open

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Ha! You wish it was that easy to break!

Really? hmm, guess I wasn't having SP then, lol. I can easily move from whatever I am having, usually I hear beeping in my ears, heaviness, sometimes numbness and in some cases while I know how I am sleeping and could feel the position, I wouldn't anymore. Does that sound like SP?

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Beats me. Never really been attacked by one. "Old hag" type scenarios are the only attacks I've had. And they weren't necessarily old hags, usually some kind of banshee looking thing, but they never look the same.

Old hag? hmm, not fully sure what it looks like Does you see these in SP, because, those could go under my first point in this post

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Ha! You wish it was that easy to break!


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Mine does well I have SP in the morning when it's light out. I guess that's why.

When I have sleep paralysis, it takes a real effort for me just to break out of it, even if it is in the daytime. One time I was on the couch during the day and I slipped into sleep paralysis. I could see my daughter playing in front of me. I was scared that she would get into something and I won’t be able to stop her because I couldn’t move. I struggle just to get out of it, sat up, then laid backed down in a split second I was back in sleep paralysis again. That happens to me a lot,when I don’t even try to get sleep paralysis.

That theory that people made up about sleep paralysis and alien abductions to me is a total BS.
When I was a kid that was my biggest fear being abducted by aliens and I was terrified about it(still am till this day). I had sleep paralysis through out my childhood and not even once have I seen an alien come in my room and take me to their ship. Tell you the truth I have never seen anything or hallucinated while I was in sleep paralysis. You would think if I was so terrified about aliens I would’ve at least seen one in my room while in sleep paralysis but I never did.

My guess is everyone is different or has different types sleep paralysis

Originally Posted by Nightprowler

When I have sleep paralysis, it takes a real effort for me just to break out of it, even if it is in the daytime. One time I was on the couch during the day and I slipped into sleep paralysis. I could see my daughter playing in front of me. I was scared that she would get into something and I won’t be able to stop her because I couldn’t move. I struggle just to get out of it, sat up, then laid backed down in a split second I was back in sleep paralysis again. That happens to me a lot,when I don’t even try to get sleep paralysis.

That theory that people made up about sleep paralysis and alien abductions to me is a total BS.
When I was a kid that was my biggest fear being abducted by aliens and I was terrified about it(still am till this day). I had sleep paralysis through out my childhood and not even once have I seen an alien come in my room and take me to their ship. Tell you the truth I have never seen anything or hallucinated while I was in sleep paralysis. You would think if I was so terrified about aliens I would’ve at least seen one in my room while in sleep paralysis but I never did.

My guess is everyone is different or has different types sleep paralysis

While I agree with the bolded statement, I disagree with your alien abduction thing. The reason is simple. Why is it that aliens assuming that they exist would only visit a couple hundred people if not less? Second, most UFO sights which go hand in hand with aliens have been accounted for one way or another whether its a bird, plane(most of the time) or some other unrelated object. My point is that there is no real evidence to prove the case that aliens visited these people. What I think happened is the following: Some had hallculinations and thought they saw aliens as for the rest, I think it was done by a human organization, since, there are somewhat circular aircrafts and we are a very technological society

Originally Posted by Nightprowler

That theory that people made up about sleep paralysis and alien abductions to me is a total BS.

Maybe it's not SP for all of them, but it has to be for some of them.

My very first SP, I thought it was aliens coming to get me. I didn't see anything, but I was panicking because I couldn't move, and couldn't figure out why. The only possible explanation I could come up with was that Aliens were coming to get me. I tried to fight it with everything I had, to no avail.

The funny part is, I had read about SP previously, and only realized what it was after it went away. If it would have lasted a little longer, maybe I would have seen aliens to match me expectations.

Really, it was just a desperate rationalization on my part.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Maybe it's not SP for all of them, but it has to be for some of them.

My very first SP, I thought it was aliens coming to get me. I didn't see anything, but I was panicking because I couldn't move, and couldn't figure out why. The only possible explanation I could come up with was that Aliens were coming to get me. I tried to fight it with everything I had, to no avail.

The funny part is, I had read about SP previously, and only realized what it was after it went away. If it would have lasted a little longer, maybe I would have seen aliens to match me expectations.

Really, it was just a desperate rationalization on my part.

Exactly Curious, how do you get into SP Cusp?

I remember watching something where this guy said something "dragged" him out of his bed and down the hall, he couldn't move or scream. To me that sounds like SP but I think he said he woke up in the family room..
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I was watching tv at about 10:30 and I swear I saw some blue blob say "Pst Steven" and I couldn't move. Not sure if that was from fear though. And in my old room, I used to see shadows move across my doorway. AND! One time, my door was opening and shutting ever so slightly.. I don't remember if I was extremely tired when these happened

Originally Posted by BigFan

While I agree with the bolded statement, I disagree with your alien abduction thing. The reason is simple. Why is it that aliens assuming that they exist would only visit a couple hundred people if not less? Second, most UFO sights which go hand in hand with aliens have been accounted for one way or another whether its a bird, plane(most of the time) or some other unrelated object. My point is that there is no real evidence to prove the case that aliens visited these people. What I think happened is the following: Some had hallculinations and thought they saw aliens as for the rest, I think it was done by a human organization, since, there are somewhat circular aircrafts and we are a very technological society

This is not happening to only 400 people there are over a million abduction cases. I think there is more people out there but didn’t report it or didn’t even know they were abducted. Do I think that all these people were abducted? No, I believe some of them might be just dreams. most of those cases are still unexplained. There are way too many abduction cases to disapprove of what happened to them. Most of them don’t recall what happened to them, they wake up with markings on their skin and hair removed, they don’t remember anything until they go under hypnosis. They even pulled out metallic objects underneath peoples skin. They have this metal tested and they always come up unknown metal. Some of them don’t even happen in the bedroom. There’s cases where people were driving down the road and remembering seeing a light and all of a sudden their going in a different direction to where they were going and two or three hours have passed.

Yes, I believe that most UFO sightings are probably our government. But I don’t think our government is that stupid if they want to keep this craft secret. They wouldn’t fly over highly populated areas across the world. If UFOs are the government, why don’t they tell people that, there are no aliens visiting the earth, the crafts that people are seeing is ours and it is highly classified don’t worry. If it is the government abducting people, that still don’t give them the right to do that to people. Don’t you want to know where your tax money is going?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkeOUzKRzLY

Now back on topic. I remember way back in the day when I first experienced sleep paralysis, I did feel like a presence in the room. I’ve never seen anything but felt like someone was there doing this to me, I thought it was a ghost or something. But after I had multiple instances and realize that I never seen anything there, it was just in my head so the fear went away from then on. I have experienced long periods of time in sleep paralysis for like 5 to 10 minutes. I would just lay there and wait for the paralysis to wear off and never seen anything there.