Thread: Remote Viewing sites?

http://psipog.net/

There you find all kind of things.

Originally posted by GFofaBritishGod
Does anyone have a good website on how to do remote viewing? thanks

Here is a very good one
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stargate1.htm

Don't waste your time.

Originally posted by GFofaBritishGod
Does anyone have a good website on how to do remote viewing? thanks

One cannot really do Remote Viewing alone. It requires an organization. The viewer himself cannot know what his 'target' is. "targets" are chosen by the administers of the program and are assigned Target Numbers. The Remote Viewers are told to focus only upon the Target Number. By not know even the slightest detail regarding their actual physical 'target' they do no superimpose any of their subjective expectations upon it. The Pentagon eventually had to discontinue their Remote Viewing Program when it became obvious that all of the 'Targets' largely involved Bin Laden, and so subjective expectations came to poison the procedures. Also there was the problems of Weapons of Mass Destruction. When the Remote Viewers found that they could not identify the large stockpiles that George Bush and Tony Blair insisted upon, then in punishment for not going along with the Conspiracy, their funding was cut in proportion as they still insisted upon the Truth.

So, anyway, for the individual, Remote Viewing is both useless and unpracticable. You can only visualize targets you have absolutely no desire to see and no interest in, and which you only know by a target number. Doesn't sound like a great deal of fun, does it?

Also, I suspect that Remote Viewing was defeated in the field somehow. Perhaps these Terrorist Organization discerned somehow that they were being targetted by psychic mind readers who were mentally scanning into psychic ethers for them. Perhaps they were able to simply divert these Remote Viewers with their own Staff of Psychics whose job it was to mentally broadcast misinformation regarding Bin Laden and the others. For instance, what if a very psychically talented individual were to told to just sit around all day long imagining Bin Laden to be in a cave complex in Southeast Pakistan. It would be difficult for the Pentagon's Remote Viewers not to be pulled away from the true target and take the bait of the Psychically Constructed Decoy Projection.

Then there can be the problem of actual counter-attack. The Pentagon was naive to suppose that its psychics could continue to work in total impugnity. As Remote Viewers scan into things that are none of their business, they can be discerned by Shamanistic Psychics who are attoned to such things, and are adept at issuing Curses against these Remote Viewing Intruders.

So there were probably a great good many reasons why the Pentagon eventually shut down their program.

I've heard that the Remote Viewers fired by the Pentagon started up an Organization by which they could perpetuate themselves and their interests. They had taken in this one lady, who seemed nice enough at the time, but as the Organization was supposed to be non-profit, they were vulnerable to anybody looking over their books, which this lady did. It turned out she was something of a snake and started whistle blowing over a penny here and a nickel there that had not been columned correctly. Which only points out how useless Remote Viewing is at a personal level, that nobody saw this very destructive lady on the horizon and was able to summon defenses against her.

Originally posted by Eric Estrada
Don't waste your time.

Don't close your mind.

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Don't close your mind.

Don't be delusional

I am open to any activities that have even a remote scientific base to them, but when remote viewing is based on "beliefs," "faith," and "magic," it is kind of silly to believe in it.

Originally posted by Eric Estrada


Don't be delusional


I am open to any activities that have even a remote scientific base to them, but when remote viewing is based on \"beliefs,\" \"faith,\" and \"magic,\" it is kind of silly to believe in it.

Belief faith... You have to have those to LD for the most part. Magic? where do you get that?


So don't believe in black holes, Don't believe in consciousness, other planets or at one time, that the earth was round.
Limit your imagination and you are stuck in a box.


I new a few people who felt the same way about lucid dreaming too.[/color]

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Belief faith... You have to have those to LD for the most part. Magic? where do you get that?


So don't believe in black holes, Don't believe in consciousness, other planets or at one time, that the earth was round.
Limit your imagination and you are stuck in a box.


I new a few people who felt the same way about lucid dreaming too.[/color]
So what kind of Remote Viewing are we talking about here?? It I believe can be done if you are in a white robe Here are some examples:



Eh, Splash? Enjoy reading those books, too?

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Belief faith... You have to have those to LD for the most part. Magic? where do you get that?


So don't believe in black holes, Don't believe in consciousness, other planets or at one time, that the earth was round.
Limit your imagination and you are stuck in a box.


I new a few people who felt the same way about lucid dreaming too.[/color]

You obviously do not understand. Using "belief and faith" as part of the lucid dreaming experience isn't contradicting what I'm saying. That's IN the dream, i.e., not in reality, i.e. beliefs are actually legitimate in dreams (DREAMS). You can call remote viewing whatever you want, but "psychic abilities," "magic" "powers" are all the same, despite what you may think.

And anyways, black holes and the such are ENTIRELY scientific. The earth is round, conciousness, they are all SCIENTIFIC THEORIES. Remote viewing is a theory, indeed, but based on illegitimate claims.

People who support psychic powers COMPLETELY pervert the concept of an "open-mind." I have accepted the possibility of certain theories such as Gott's time loop, Albert Einstein's time dilation, and even such esoteric theories as the multiverse. As a wise man once said, "it is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." I've thought about remote viewing, but think about it... seeing into the future? Sounds like a fantasy out of harry potter made up by some kids who noticed that what they thought eventually came true (and by process of incorrect and irrational logic, they must have seen into the future).

I'm a very scientific person, and I wouldn't even need an explanation for remote viewing. At least some empirical evidence and several "remote viewing" tests by people other than pseudoscientists (you know, people who pervert scientific observations to fit pyschic claims), I would believe it. But to accept a concept by solely belief and faith is simply moronic.

- Alex

Arthur C. Clarke"s Three Laws:


Clarke's First Law:

"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."

Clarke's Second Law:

"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."

Clarke's Third Law:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

hey, ima put it this way, ill throw my 2cents in


remote viewing is interesting, its the only way i can actually communicate telepathically with people, often though they cant recieve my messages, sometimes if the individual is sensitive enough, or if they are asleep its easy to affect their consciousness

dont throw away things like this on first glance, remote viewing is not quite as useful as it is interesting, its rather easy to do if you understand how to visualize well

i love this dream world, if you understand the spiritual, its like you know binary code when working with a damn computer

PEACE!!


EDIT:

i will point one thing out, ive seen time, ive seen another dimension with multiple realms of thought

dont ever say something is impossible, just remember the ego is a bitch and as i said, being aware enough of the spiritual is like knowing binary

just because its not 'physical' does not mean its not real, keep that in mind


i will also point out i dont accept things by faith (made that mistake when i was in a fucking religious school and it made my life living hell) i accept them by experience, because thats the only way for me to verify if anything is real

just dont close your mind... and if your willing to let this all go you can have almost anything

"ask and ye shall recieve"

Originally posted by Worlds Within
Arthur C. Clarke\"s Three Laws:


Clarke's First Law:

\"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.\"

Clarke's Second Law:

\"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.\"

Clarke's Third Law:

\"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.\"

For one, I admit that things like this "could" be true by their very nature. When a phenomenon comes up that its basis is set at contradicting pyschics, you can't really prove it wrong through psychics. Sure, there could be some scientific explanation for things like remote viewing that haven't been discovered yet, I don't deny that. But I'm simply saying that it is moronic to believe in these things when so far, there is no scientific evidence OR accounts of it ACTUALLY happening!

Let me explain something to you... me practicing remote viewing is JUST as legitimate (and by the whole nature of remote viewing, it is kind of silly to deny this) as learning a way to summon a glowing, pink unicorn while upside down. Both have no accounts of it happening (besides silly tabloid bullcrap, etc.), both contradict natural law at this point...

The only reason why stuff like the unicorn scenario aren't accepted in the "mainstream" psychic community is because there is no use for them. Remote viewing is such a simple explanation for unusually complicated coincidences. The same thing is with other supernatural things, they are jsut brought about because there is use for them. People delude themselves to believe in things such as telekinesis whenever a wind current passes by becuase its SO much more cool if it oculd be true.

Oh, and lastly, advanced technology is only indistinguishable from magic when one does not understand the scientific evidence of it.

Originally posted by Eric Estrada


But I'm simply saying that it is moronic to believe in these things when so far, there is no scientific evidence OR accounts of it ACTUALLY happening!

Columbus will sail some day...





GFofaBritishGod, if you are still around, The Farsight Institute has a free remote viewing series for download. http://www.farsight.org/SRV/SRVaudioindex.html

Originally posted by Worlds Within



Columbus will sail some day...

Wow, what a great example to prove me wrong. Yes, people were like "columbus, you are one whacked out ass." Now, no one back then got an education, so they were rather stupid. I'm guessing you are using the metaphorical referance that I am the "opposer of Columbus." Did you know the basis of Columbus' assumptions?

1. When sailing and a ship came from the other direction, it gradually rose above the horizon. Thus hinting at the globe being round (a flat world wouldn't do that!).

2. On a lunar eclipse, the earth leaves a ROUND shadow on the moon. If it was flat, it'd leave a streak across the moon, this obvious evidence was even noticed back to the days of aristotle.

By saying "columbus will sail some day" you are saying "some scientist [granted, he was an asshole] will discover the truth." Well, Columbus had clear hard hitting evidence for his theory and the only reason the skeptics didn't accept it is because they were uneducational and it went against the church (what a switch nowadays, huh?). Today we accept silly theories because we are educated and scientific.

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Remote Viewing is total Bull Shit. As Eric Estrada said, there is no evidence of it. Unfortunaly all this discussion is irrelevant. IF someone can delude themselves enough to believe in this, then its hardly possible that they would change their minds. They made themselves think that anyone who brings up the fact that there is no evidence of this remote viewing is attacking them peronsonal.

Is not remote viewing along the same lines as EOB's? I would also recommend the radio program Coast to Coast am with George Nory and also www.coastocoastam.com

They have done topics on remote viewing and what our own gov (USA) has invested into this money wise. And of course its all real..lol

Remote Viewing (I prefer the term scrying though)

Method 1: Be a damn good guesser. I can sort of guess things that people are thinking about/seeing over the interent. Like when i was trying once i saw a flash of a waterfall and the person said their dad just turned the sink on. I'm thinking remote viewing would be sorta similiar to this.

Method 2: Become a ninja, therefore being able to sneak your way through places unnoticed. Then instead of remote viewing you can see it yourself. Don't worry if it's far away, you can probably sneak into the cargo of a plane.

Method 3: eBay

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Lmfao. You pseudo-skeptics really crack me up, sometimes.

No evidence? None.....right.

I could just post the link, but I'll post the whole thing for effect.

From: \"A Lawyer Presents a Case for the Afterlife:\"

17. Remote Viewing

'The secret is out: remote viewing exists, it works, it has been tested, proven and used in intelligence for over two decades. The recent (US) government admissions concerning the use of psychic warfare are crucial, irrefutable testimony that what I have said here is the truth...'

(U.S.) Major David Morehouse

'She went into a trance. And while she was in the trance, she gave us some latitude and longitude figures. We focused our satellite cameras on that point, and the lost plane was there.'

Former President Jimmy Carter,
recalling a 1978 remote-viewing operation (Schnabel 1997: cover).

The psychic researcher Ingo Swan coined the term 'remote viewing' as a neutral scientific term to describe a process by which a viewer perceives information about a distant location using something other than the known five senses. Initially it referred only to situations in which a very disciplined research protocol was used by the US Military but gradually the term has come into general use as the ability to perceive hidden or remote information by psychic means.

Remote viewing different to OBEs

Puthoff and Targ wrote in their classic paper 'A Perceptual Channel for Information over Kilometer Distances' (1976) that they were choosing the term 'remote viewing' as a neutral term free from prior associations and bias as to mechanisms contained in terms such as autoscopy (medical literature) exteriorisation or dissociation (psychological literature) clairvoyance or out of body experience (parpsychology) or astral projection (occult literature). Other investigators prefer the neutral term ‘anomalous cognition’.

There is however still some overlap in general usage of the terms Remote Viewing and Out Of Body Experiences. Researchers who intentionally practice both claim that there is a difference between an out of body experience in which the viewer perceives only as if physically present and remote viewing where the viewer is able to clairvoyantly tune into all sorts of information about the target which would not be physically observable.

As Joseph McMoneagle puts it in his book Remote Viewing Secrets (2000) the remote viewer sits in a room and describes perceptions of a target in another location. While s/he may accurately describe that other location there is never any doubt that s/he is in the room where his or her body is located. On the other hand, in the Out of Body Experience (OBE) people actually perceive that they have travelled to that location and are present there in all ways except the presence of their physical bodies (McMoneagle 2000:176-177).

Military research into remote viewing

For more than 20 years, the United States military had a budget of seventy million dollars a year for the purpose of psychic research with special emphasis on 'remote viewing'.

Stunning as it may sound to those who are unfamiliar with psychic phenomena, these and greater things have been done and are being done to-day in the United States, Russia, China. France has kept quiet about it but they do have the population and the advanced psychic knowledge to participate in remote viewing.

In his most interesting book, Remote Viewers — The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies, (1997) Jim Schnabel cites a number of highly credible sources, including an American President, about the reality of Remote Viewing applied for military objectives. Here are some of them making some stunning statements which by now have found their place in the history of psychic phenomena:

'I never liked to get into debates with the skeptics, because if you didn't believe that remote viewing was real, you hadn't done your homework.'

Major General Edmund R Thompson, U.S. Army Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, 1977-81, Deputy Director for Management and Operations, DIA, 1982-84 (Schnabel 1997: cover).

'You can't be involved in this for any length of time and not be convinced there's something here.'

Norm J., former senior CIA official who tasked remote viewers (Schnabel 1997: cover).

'There were times when they wanted to push buttons and drop bombs on the basis of our information.'

Dr Hal Puthoff, a former manager of the remote-viewing program (Schnabel 1997: cover).

'She went into a trance. And while she was in the trance, she gave us some latitude and longitude figures. We focused our satellite cameras on that point, and the lost plane was there.'

Former President Jimmy Carter, recalling a 1978 remote-viewing operation (Schnabel 1997: cover).

Stanford Research Institute in the United States was the venue where many of the original experiments were conducted. Physicist Hal Puthoff was the chief of the Remote Viewing Program there. Some of the personnel involved in this military astral projection, remote viewing program (according to Schnabel 1997) included:

• Admiral Stanfield Turner, Director of the CIA 1977-91

• Major General Ed Thompson, Assistant Chief of Staff for Army Intelligence. He had special knowledge that the Russians had advanced techniques in psychic phenomena which were used for military espionage in remote viewing and long distance telepathic hypnosis

• Sergeant Mel Riley (1978-90)

• Sergeant Lyn Buchanan, Major Ed Dames and Colonel John Alexander from U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command

• Gifted remote viewer Ingo Swann, who was Puthoff's first test OBE subject

• CIA scientist Richard Kennet who worked with Pat Price and Hal Puthoff

• Keith Harary, gifted remote viewer

• John McMahon, chief of the CIA's Office of Technical Service during 1974-76 and later the CIA's Deputy Director - he was a major supporter of remote viewing and became an investigator himself - was convinced when he himself experienced stunning psychic phenomenon

• Patrick Price highly gifted psychic, independent to but highly consistent with the remote viewing of Ingo Swann. Price through remote viewing accurately described 'details of a secret Pentagon facility in the hills of West Virginia village of Sugar Grove ...'. Among its secret functions were the interception of intercontinental telephone communications, and the control of U.S. spy satellites. Price was also deadly accurate in his remote viewing in penetrating Russian installation at Mount Narodnaya in the remote northern Ural Mountains. The CIA confirmed the accuracy of Price's remote viewing. .i). CIA;

The most comprehensive Internet site which contains links to a number of academic and scholarly journal articles and papers by leaders in the field is by Joseph McMoneagle.

Psychic Warrior

Major David A Morehouse, a highly decorated U.S. army officer, was from 1987 to 1991 assigned to several highly classified special access programs in the US Army's Intelligence Security Command and Defence Intelligence Agency. In his book Psychic Warrior — The True Story of the CIA's Paranormal Espionage Program (1996) he quotes key figures in the program as follows:

The secret is out: remote viewing exists, it works, it has been tested, proven and used in intelligence for over two decades. The recent government admissions concerning the use of psychic warfare are crucial, irrefutable testimony that what I have said here is the truth. The government of the most powerful nation on the face of the earth has admitted that it knows humans can transcend time and space to view distant persons, places, things and events, and that information thus gathered can be brought back. I hope you comprehend the significance of this information (Morehouse 1996).

Morehouse also claims that he and other remote viewers regularly had contact with beings from the afterlife See Psychic Warrior and interview.

In his paper CIA-Initiated Remote Viewing At Stanford Research Institute Dr Hal Puthoff who was program research manager sets forth details of the integrated results of the program which he claims provide unequivocal evidence of a human capacity to access events remote in both space and time.

I am amazed how this necessarily secret project was allowed to go on in the United States military for so long without strong opposition from the materialists, institutionalized religion and the fundamentalists. Clearly, the military and spy agencies decided that the objectively proven remote viewing transcended any objections based on subjective religious beliefs of the fundamentalists or the institutionalized churches.

According to a number of sources the CIA, at the request of Congress, took over the remote viewing program and stopped its funding in 1995. The official reason given for this was an unfavorable review by two scientists. However according to Joseph McMoneagle's book Mind Trek (1997) these scientists were not shown 99% of the documented results of remote viewing which were and are still classified, were forbidden to speak with any of the remote viewers or project managers and were not given any means to evaluate the operational effectiveness of the information they were shown (1997:218-229).

Remote viewing goes commercial

Several of the remote viewers formerly involved in the military program are now employing their skills for private enterprise and can be contacted at the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory (CSL) California.

Ed Dames, a former military remote viewer and now president of his own commercial remote viewing company which gets contracts from the intelligence services boasts that his clients do not have to pay a cent if the results are not accurate. He states that his company successfully undertook remote viewing operations for intelligence agencies during the Gulf War. Ed Dames states, among other things, \"When some army general asks, where are the enemies coming from, I have to give deadly accurate information.\" (Dames 2000)

Since remote viewing has come out into the open it appears to be proving its effectiveness in the marketplace – at the time of writing (2001) the Internet search engine Google returned are over 610,000 entries for remote viewing.

A military threat?

Realistically, nobody really knows who is more advanced in remote viewing than whom. For example, according to Tim Rifat (1999) The Russian and Chinese military and intelligence agencies are also known to be heavily involved.

Ingo Swann, for many years at the forefront of remote viewing research claims that the Russians have on-sold their research knowledge to other countries:

Several quite respectable sources have informed me that two major nations are making advances in psychoenergetics applications, one of which is remote viewing. It is also being alleged that a third smaller nation, with well known and advertised hatred of the American Way of Life, is also making progress. I believe those sources, because I know that liberated Russia sold for big bucks the Soviet psychic secrets three times over in order to acquire needed foreign exchange monies. See Statement by Ingo Swann on Remote Viewing 1 December 1995.

That the Soviets were advanced in these areas was set out in Martin Ebon’s Psychic Warfare: Threat or Illusion? (1983). Swann claims that \"Between 1969 and 1971 American intelligence sources began discovering and confirming that the Soviet Union was deeply engaged in so-called psychic research. By 1970, it was discovered that the Soviets were spending approximately 60 million rubles per year on it, and over 300 million by 1975.\" (Swann 1995) It was to counter this program, he argues, that the American Remote Viewing Program was set up.

China's Psychic Powers - Remote viewers and superpsychics

Anyone who knows anything about psychic matters would be more than impressed by what the Chinese have achieved. But the Chinese government has allowed only limited information to go out to the world about the true power of China's superpsychics.

I restate, that no one really knows how advanced the leading countries are in remote viewing. It would be only logical to make all advanced remote viewing highly classified material.

However the limited information available is more than sufficient to realize that China is possibly more advanced psychically than the United States or Russia or any other country in national security matters and that fact may be cause for alarm. One has to remember that the government of China finances psychic phenomena ¾ and treats their gifted psychics as 'national treasures'. It also sponsors an active program to recruit gifted psychics. This starts from programs in primary schools which select and train those who show psychic gifts. Because of China's huge population, it is reasonable to expect higher numbers of psychics than anywhere else in the world.

The Chinese are claiming that they have superpsychics like Zhang Baosheng who reportedly can accelerate the molecular structure of their body to penetrate at will solid objects - such as brick walls. They also claim they have highly gifted remote viewers. This means that the Chinese are certain to have highly gifted psychics who can read documents locked away in a solid safe (Dong and Raffill 1997). See book review China’s Super Psychics.

Paul Dong and Thomas E Raffill in their book, China's Super Psychics, state

China's vast population, encouraged by a government that assiduously promotes psychic research, has developed an unusually high percentage of practitioners with psychic abilities. It is estimated that China now has five thousand psychic children, three to five-hundred psychic adults, and more than thirty super psychics.

For those closed-minded skeptics who want to keep psychic phenomena out of the security agenda the inevitable result is to leave the West behind in security matters - which could result in devastating circumstances. Is the West willing to take the chance of such an omission?

With absolute certainty, where there is advanced psychic phenomena, you will find evidence for the afterlife - the two are inevitably connected.[/b]

So..no evidence at all? I guess you guys have a lot of debunking to do.

debunking....
Not very smart considering the fact that the counterattack is of the imminent.


Stated by dooley:
"Taylor, you cover the east side"
therefore......
See 2nd sentence


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*E.Raser

Chew on that and see if it's real because free online translators suck.

Oh and about that whole thing you quoted what are the companies that those guys made?

Not very smart? A counter-attack is all part of the fun!

About the link....
...I'm a little blitzed and having a hard time getting passed all of the emoteicons! Wtf was that all about?!

About what I posted: Companies? I'unno. All the information I posted was from a free eBook, which is, probably (despite being free), the most intriguing document on the paranormal that I've ever read.

Oneironaut,

Victor Zammit's site, eh? I've perused his site quite a few times. Some fascinating stuff there.

Yeah, I stumbled across the ebook one day and was like "whoa" lol

Of course, I'm an open-minded skeptic, naturally, so a few things in the book I find iffy, but none of them to the degree of discrediting them.

In all honesty it would be a lot easier to stand in all of your shoes. As a skeptic.
It is pretty easy to respond that it is an assumption and outlandish.
But as I have argued before there will never be a Renaissance of the mind when it is not open for more.
So I may not believe at this point that many people can do it. Maybe none for that matter. I don't know.
I will continue to believe it is possible and in return I will hold no doors shut.

If everybody lives in a complacent world and does not have drive as to say, necessity is the mother of invention, then we will likely stagnate

Barbizzle!
You are usually very open minded. But in this particualr area you seem very much against the notion that any of this may hold any truth to it.

Not very smart? A counter-attack is all part of the fun!

I'm talking of the receiving end.

quote=\"Oneironaut\"]
About the link....
...I'm a little blitzed and having a hard time getting passed all of the emoteicons! Wtf was that all about?![/quote]

I don't know thats just what he does. and he is italian so as i said
because free online translators suck.