Thread: What does the blind man see?

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

Wow! It's amazing how your astral body can see without eyes or a brain! It's also amazing how you know all this, Atras.

I wonder if anyone has ever thought to tell blind people about astral projection? Just think, people who have been blind since birth would be able to find out what it is like to be able to see. One would presume that there would already be people who have been blind since birth who are astrally projecting on a regular basis. Hmmm, I've never read in any newspaper or seen any documentaries about blind people who are doing this. I wonder why that is??

wow.. what you just said is so naive. Im assuming your being sarcastic. First of all dream queen, i really dont know that much about this. Im just using common sense and tying the pieces together, You dont need to inverview a blind man to see if he can see in astral projection or not. I researched how the eye sees and how it is affected when someone is blind. I also researched astral projection. Its obvious that if a blind person cant see because of disruptions in his nerves (the optic nerves are cut, severed, burned, ect..) then he cant see. Astral body is a spiritual body, we all know that. So if the reason he is blind is because of his optic nerves failing to transmit a signal to the brain, why wouldnt he be able to see in his astral body. HIs astral body doesnt have eyes that are connected to the brain by optic nerves, its a spirirtual body, therefore using common sense, a blind man can see in his astral body. ITs not that hard to figure out. And i havent heard of a blind man trying to astral project either, but if he did, yes he would be able to see while he is in his astral body. What part of this dont you get.

Originally Posted by Atras

wow.. what you just said is so naive. Im assuming your being sarcastic. First of all dream queen, i really dont know that much about this. Im just using common sense and tying the pieces together, You dont need to inverview a blind man to see if he can see in astral projection or not. I researched how the eye sees and how it is affected when someone is blind. I also researched astral projection. Its obvious that if a blind person cant see because of disruptions in his nerves (the optic nerves are cut, severed, burned, ect..) then he cant see. Astral body is a spiritual body, we all know that. So if the reason he is blind is because of his optic nerves failing to transmit a signal to the brain, why wouldnt he be able to see in his astral body. HIs astral body doesnt have eyes that are connected to the brain by optic nerves, its a spirirtual body, therefore using common sense, a blind man can see in his astral body. ITs not that hard to figure out. And i havent heard of a blind man trying to astral project either, but if he did, yes he would be able to see while he is in his astral body. What part of this dont you get.

I think the part she dosn't get is: The part where you took science, and then mixed it up with a whole lot of new age nonsense.

The astral body is completely and utterly unproven. There is ZERO evidence.

Come to think of it, why dont blind people see through thier third eye whilst they are at it?

Or why dont they pray for jesus to heal them? we all know jesus can heal people.

Or maybe... they could pray to the sun god Ra? and that would heal them?

Or maybe they could use evil telekenisis to make everyone else blind, and even the playingfield?

Any of these above examples are just as silly as what you are saying.


Trying to explain something in nonsensical terms and then calling someone naive... is horribly ironic.

yea i know what i posted..about fear based society. But that lucid goal is just that..a lucid goal..just for FUN.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

So why exactly do we have a physical brain and physical eyes then?
Seems pointless to have evolved eyes, if we have perfectly working astral eyes already.
The whole idea is full of holes.

i dont know, that gets into all the religon crap and stuff. But everyone who has travelled in their astral body have been able to see in it, theirfore it would be no different for a blind man.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I think the part she dosn't get is: The part where you took science, and then mixed it up with a whole lot of new age nonsense.

The astral body is completely and utterly unproven. There is ZERO evidence.

Come to think of it, why dont blind people see through thier third eye whilst they are at it?

Or why dont they pray for jesus to heal them? we all know jesus can heal people.

Or maybe... they could pray to the sun god Ra? and that would heal them?

Or maybe they could use evil telekenisis to make everyone else blind, and even the playingfield?

Any of these above examples are just as silly as what you are saying.


Trying to explain something in nonsensical terms and then calling someone naive... is horribly ironic.

ok, im not saying that astral projection is even real. I personally dont think it is, im just saying that if it was real, it would be possible for a blind man to see in it

Originally Posted by Atras

ok, im not saying that astral projection is even real. I personally dont think it is, im just saying that if it was real, it would be possible for a blind man to see in it

Ok well fair enough.
And i'd agree... also if jesus were real, he'd be able to make blind people see....
Well superman probably could too... if he were real.

Problem is none of it is real, so why exactly would you call someone naive?

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Ok well fair enough.
And i'd agree... also if jesus were real, he'd be able to make blind people see....
Well superman probably could too... if he were real.

Problem is none of it is real, so we should probably be careful, because a lot of people here think they are.

alright. Remember this is beyond dreaming section so coming here to try to disprove the stuff they talk about isnt probably the best idea.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Ok well fair enough.
And i'd agree... also if jesus were real, he'd be able to make blind people see....
Well superman probably could too... if he were real.

Problem is none of it is real, so why exactly would you call someone naive?

naive because she was saying that i didnt know what i was talking about and i made it all up basically. Even though its not real, common sense should make it pretty obvious why it would make sense if it is real. I probably shouldnt have called her naive so im sorry dream queen, it just ticks me off when people dont use common sense

Originally Posted by Atras

wow.. what you just said is so naive. Im assuming your being sarcastic. First of all dream queen, i really dont know that much about this. Im just using common sense and tying the pieces together,..

I feel the same way man. It's useless trying to spread any kind of knowldge to these close-minded people, even if we are in beyond dreaming..i dont even know why they came in here if they don't believe this stuff. I'm not saying I completely believe all this stuff, but i read everything with an open-mind and try and put the pieces together myself.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

I feel the same way man. It's useless trying to spread any kind of knowldge to these close-minded people, even if we are in beyond dreaming..i dont even know why they came in here if they don't believe this stuff. I'm not saying I completely believe all this stuff, but i read everything with an open-mind and try and put the pieces together myself.

like i said, im not taking any sides if its real or not, i just want to get the facts and find the arguments for it. And everyone forgot what the original question was. Its if someone in astral projection thats blind can see. Not if it is real or not. I answered that yes they can see so if someones gonna argue about it, they should argue assuming that astral projection is real, even if it isnt

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

I feel the same way man. It's useless trying to spread any kind of knowldge to these close-minded people, even if we are in beyond dreaming..i dont even know why they came in here if they don't believe this stuff. I'm not saying I completely believe all this stuff, but i read everything with an open-mind and try and put the pieces together myself.

An open minded is a good thing. My signature explains my views on that.

Problem is, you dont want your mind so open that your brain falls out. Which it appears to be the case with a lot of people.

We cant agree with everything ALL the time... truth dosn't work that way.
Some things will just be wrong.
It is not open minded to pretend that things that are wrong COULD be true, if we know they are just blatantly wrong.

So, you may call me closed minded... but i think what you mistake is closed minded is actually being open minded but also with the ability to stand up to nonsense....

If you go to pick apples, you do not come away with leaves.
You HAVE to be able to know what is worth researching, and what is nonsense.

A true open mind, knows when to accept that a subject is no longer valuable, and will move on to somethign more valuable.

If you reseach astral travel, and you learn enough to realise that it is nonsense and contradictory... you cannot then say "well it could be true" because you have learnt it isnt. It would be a lie.

Originally Posted by Atras

like i said, im not taking any sides if its real or not, i just want to get the facts and find the arguments for it. And everyone forgot what the original question was. Its if someone in astral projection thats blind can see. Not if it is real or not. I answered that yes they can see so if someones gonna argue about it, they should argue assuming that astral projection is real, even if it isnt

You realise what you are saying makes no sense?

It's like saying...

Q) "is flying to the moon on a pig possible?"

A) Well YES if we're just talking make belive, but NO if were talking about real pigs.


I think the general assumption is when people ask questions, that they are asking questions about REALITY, not make believe.

Originally Posted by Atras

like i said, im not taking any sides if its real or not, i just want to get the facts and find the arguments for it. And everyone forgot what the original question was. Its if someone in astral projection thats blind can see. Not if it is real or not. I answered that yes they can see so if someones gonna argue about it, they should argue assuming that astral projection is real, even if it isnt

So let me get this straight...

We are debating over whether or not a blind person would or wouldn't be able to see IF astral travel was possible?

Right...

How about we move on then and debate over this: I chose not to have a child but IF i had would it have been a be a boy or a girl?

PS My signature also demonstrates my beliefs on open-mindedness

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

An open minded is a good thing. My signature explains my views on that.

Problem is, you dont want your mind so open that your brain falls out. Which it appears to be the case with a lot of people.

We cant agree with everything ALL the time... truth dosn't work that way.
Some things will just be wrong.
It is not open minded to pretend that things that are wrong COULD be true, if we know they are just blatantly wrong.

So, you may call me closed minded... but i think what you mistake is closed minded is actually being open minded but also with the ability to stand up to nonsense....

If you go to pick apples, you do not come away with leaves.
You HAVE to be able to know what is worth researching, and what is nonsense.

A true open mind, knows when to accept that a subject is no longer valuable, and will move on to somethign more valuable.

If you reseach astral travel, and you learn enough to realise that it is nonsense and contradictory... you cannot then say "well it could be true" because you have learnt it isnt. It would be a lie.

i half agree. Your right in saying its useles to say it could be true when you know its not. But also you shouldnt be so firm on your stance that you refuse to accept any evidence even if its true. Im not pointing this at you directly, just in general.

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

So let me get this straight...

We are debating over whether or not a blind person would or wouldn't be able to see IF astral travel was possible?

Right...

How about we move on then and debate over this: I'm not planning to have a child but IF i did do you think it would be a boy or a girl?

PS My signature also demonstrates my beliefs on open-mindedness

depends. I would personally choose boy but thats just me

Originally Posted by Atras

depends. I would personally choose boy but thats just me

I disagree. I think it would have been a girl.

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

I disagree. I think it would have been a girl.

um ok...lol

No you're both wrong.

It would have been non identical twins...

One would have been some kind of chimp-snail hybrid, the other would only exist in the astral, and look a bit like deathcell... only with better personal hygiene and a quiff.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

No you're both wrong.

It would have been non identical twins...

One would have been some kind of chimp-snail hybrid, the other would only exist in the astral, and look a bit like deathcell... only with better personal hygiene and a quiff.

wow

And there we have it... a perfect example of why we should not talk about things that are made up... because there are no real answers.
In the world of the imaginary anything is possible and everyone is right.

The real world however, isn't like that.
Some things are true, others are not... and our opinions on them don't make any difference to if they are true or not.

The moon is still made of rock, even if we believe it is made of cheese.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

No you're both wrong.

It would have been non identical twins...

One would have been some kind of chimp-snail hybrid, the other would only exist in the astral, and look a bit like deathcell... only with better personal hygiene and a quiff.

No you're wrong. It would have been a girl!

Now, here's another everyone...

If Zybrods existed (a make-believe animal I just invented the name of) then would they have four legs or two?

Well what is YOUR answer than dreamqueen! Tell me what YOU think.

Since your so damn smart and you know everything..tell me, just tell me.

How in the HELL can you still see, smell, hear, think, touch, or taste when your asleep in bed in a lucid dream. Your eyes are closed and your laying there not using any senses at all. Answer that please.

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

No you're wrong. It would have been a girl!

Now, here's another everyone...

If Zybrods existed (a make-believe animal I just invented the name of) then would they have four legs or two?

they would have 2.5383 legs. ONe of them would be really long and furry and white, and the other would be supper short and not furry and orange. The .5383 of a leg would be miniscule and would have tatoos of A monkey on it and would be pink.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Well what is YOUR answer than dreamqueen! Tell me what YOU think.

Since your so damn smart and you know everything..tell me, just tell me.

How in the HELL can you still see, smell, hear, think, touch, or taste when your asleep in bed in a lucid dream. Your eyes are closed and your laying there not using any senses at all. Answer that please.

um if you havent noticed hardwire we have changed the topic