Prove it.

[Ghost94]

So, if any of you believe in "shared dreaming".. Then prove it and come into my dreams. You can´t do it.

[yellowlight]

It doesn't work like that. You have to know the person, and know exactly where he lives, and how old is he and what color is his toothbrush I'm just kidding, of course. I don't believe in such things

[Ghost94]

Hey! Because so many people in here first of all claim that they can enter my dreams, and some claim that after declaring, in these forums, that you people have the permission to enter my dreams and attack me, then.. Bring it on!! xD I´m going to sleep now... attaaaack...

[OpheliaSophronia]

I WISH shared dreaming were real. I've heard of people having the same dreams before, but it seems pretty impossible. Hey, if anyone wants to invade my dreams, you're more than welcome; I need better lucidity. <_<

[juroara]

"because so many people in here" who here claims they can willy nilly enter someones dream, that made you decide to challenge them? I've been posting here for a while now and I can only think of one person, ONE PERSON who has ever claimed to be able to enter other peoples dream. most people who claim to have a shared dream experience will tell you the experience was spontaneous. and only occurred with someone they knew closely. not a total stranger.

[DeathCell]

"because so many people in here" who here claims they can willy nilly enter someones dream, that made you decide to challenge them? I've been posting here for a while now and I can only think of one person, ONE PERSON who has ever claimed to be able to enter other peoples dream. most people who claim to have a shared dream experience will tell you the experience was spontaneous. and only occurred with someone they knew closely. not a total stranger. That's what I was wondering, I remember a few accounts where people said they wandered into perhaps a shared dreaming experience between two people they know.. but they never claimed to know how or why.... It's the same argument with Psychics, if you are psychic you must be all knowing all seeing.... -.-

[spaceexplorer]

That's what I was wondering, I remember a few accounts where people said they wandered into perhaps a shared dreaming experience between two people they know.. but they never claimed to know how or why.... It's the same argument with Psychics, if you are psychic you must be all knowing all seeing.... -.- No, the argument is simply, if you believe something, and insist on telling the rest of us, then we're going to ask for evidence to back up your claim. If you can't supply evidence, don't be suprised when people dont believe you or ask you to prove it. And if you can't prove it, don't consider the rest of us wrong for not blindly accepting what you say. Would you prefer to be surrounded by gullible people who agree with everything you say without evidence, or rational people who ask for proof? I suppose the answer is, we surround ourselves with people who share the same traits as ourselves.

[DeathCell]

No, the argument is simply, if you believe something, and insist on telling the rest of us, then we're going to ask for evidence to back up your claim. If you can't supply evidence, don't be suprised when people dont believe you or ask you to prove it. And if you can't prove it, don't consider the rest of us wrong for not blindly accepting what you say. Would you prefer to be surrounded by gullible people who agree with everything you say without evidence, or rational people who ask for proof? I suppose the answer is, we surround ourselves with people who share the same traits as ourselves. This is an internet forum, what part of that don't you understand? You can't prove anything to anyone on here... This is a forum. You will never get any proof from anyone for anything on this forum. So enjoy your life of seriousness, discussing the possibilities and proving something without a shadow of a doubt are two different things.. Go to a laboratory and discover something if you're so obsessed with proof.

[The Cusp]

Someday I'll get the hang of dream walking and I'll terrorize this forum in their sleep. Right now I can't even remember my dreams. I've always been a lazy lucid dreamer, and that's not going to change just because someone demands proof of me.

[lucidspark64]

Although me and my friend had like the same dream, I can't say it was a shared-dream. It can't be proven. Lucid dreaming alone can't be proven (atleast not yet). I'm aware that Stephen has done the controlled eye-movements, but it doesn't answer questions concerning logic. Maybe someday.

[Arutad]

You can't prove anything to anyone on here... This is a forum. You're wrong actually. People tried to prove me their paranormal abilities in past, dreamsharing included, and they were from Internet forums. I didn't even know them well. Therefore when people say "nothing can be proven, because it's a forum", it's just an excuse coming from those who can't do anything and know it. However, if with most paranormal abilities it's clear if they fail or succeed, with dreamsharing it's more tricky. You may be told that there was a shared dream and that you can't remember it

[DeathCell]

You're wrong actually. People tried to prove me their paranormal abilities in past, dreamsharing included, and they were from Internet forums. I didn't even know them well. Therefore when people say "nothing can be proven, because it's a forum", it's just an excuse coming from those who can't do anything and know it. However, if with most paranormal abilities it's clear if they fail or succeed, with dreamsharing it's more tricky. You may be told that there was a shared dream and that you can't remember it I'm going to stick with my first observation. Real contact is essential for anything really.

[Arutad]

I'm going to stick with my first observation. Real contact is essential for anything really. Why are you so sure, have you successfully checked that?

[lucidspark64]

When it comes to science, you have to be careful when you use the word "proof" because thats like saying you are sure 100%. Any 2 people can just say they had a mutual dream but where is the evidence? I'm sure there are ways to test it so that it's at the least possible. Lucid dreaming falls under that category of possible but not proven. I know most of us here knows from experience that it's real, but people out there are still skeptics. It's like saying "I saw an alien last night" thats not enough. Even with photographs, people are always using like photoshop or what ever and thats the big thing to look out for. Strong Evidence+100% sure= Proof. So i guess I'm more with Dead Cell on this one but as far as the forums, I dont know.

[spaceexplorer]

I'm going to stick with my first observation. Real contact is essential for anything really. No offence, but I absolutely do not agree with your statement that because it's an "internet forum" that we cannot discuss evidence or even prove things to each other. This is just another form of communication. In the past people have made discoverys simply from reading the publications of others, perhaps writing to each other and sharing their discoverys. Using telecomunications etc. This is the modern world, a great deal, a very great deal, can be achived through non-face-to-face contact. I could for example prove to you that I can play the guitar (albeit not very well) , by say, uploading a video to youtube, sending you links to stores that sell the guitar I own, getting verified accounts of other people I know who have seen my guitar playing and who could email or post here. Which part of it being an internet forum stops us from sharing information, facts, data and evidence with each other?

[lucidspark64]

No offence, but I absolutely do not agree with your statement that because it's an "internet forum" that we cannot discuss evidence or even prove things to each other. This is just another form of communication. In the past people have made discoverys simply from reading the publications of others, perhaps writing to each other and sharing their discoverys. Using telecomunications etc. This is the modern world, a great deal, a very great deal, can be achived through non-face-to-face contact. I could for example prove to you that I can play the guitar (albeit not very well) , by say, uploading a video to youtube, sending you links to stores that sell the guitar I own, getting verified accounts of other people I know who have seen my guitar playing and who could email or post here. Which part of it being an internet forum stops us from sharing information, facts, data and evidence with each other? Agreed, I just never want to say the word "proof" is all. Sharing data and all that happy stuff is cool with me.

[Ghost94]

Weird, no-one has yet attacked me :/ Why would that be.... xD

[Creation X]

"because so many people in here" who here claims they can willy nilly enter someones dream, that made you decide to challenge them? I've been posting here for a while now and I can only think of one person, ONE PERSON who has ever claimed to be able to enter other peoples dream. most people who claim to have a shared dream experience will tell you the experience was spontaneous. and only occurred with someone they knew closely. not a total stranger. OP, you got owned in this post, and I will be redundant in saying that all the thread's, websites, or any other stories of shared dreaming was in fact spontaneous. I have found one post, that teaches you how to have a shared dream. But, OP, you have another flaw, and that's that we have no clue what time zone you are in. It could be 5:30 PM here while it's 10:30 PM at your house, meaning I wouldn't even have the chance to have a shared dream with you. Plus how can we attack you if we don't know a couple of things, like your name, and even what you look like. I mean, I'm not saying that basic knowledge of a person is required, but how would you know who to look for? Also, you could end up meeting a dream character who you derive as the person you think you are having a shared dream with. I'll get down to bare balls with you, I think the only way to have a shared dream with someone intentionally is if two extremely talented LD'ers go to sleep at the same time, enter an LD at the same time, and then find each other at the same time. This would explain why they are spontaneous, people just get lucky. /explanation.

[hellohihello]

Someday I'll get the hang of dream walking and I'll terrorize this forum in their sleep. Right now I can't even remember my dreams. I've always been a lazy lucid dreamer, and that's not going to change just because someone demands proof of me. Yeah man, I'm still waitin..

[DreamQueen]

So, if any of you believe in "shared dreaming".. Then prove it and come into my dreams. You can´t do it. Okay I will visit you in your dream tonight Ghost94. Of course you probably won't recognize me because you don't know what I look like and sometimes I go incognito in other peoples' dreams. So, tomorrow morning when you wake up, log in and post your dream story in this thread and then I'll post afterwards and tell you which DC I was!

[hellohihello]

Okay I will visit you in your dream tonight Ghost94. Of course you probably won't recognize me because you don't know what I look like and sometimes I go incognito in other peoples' dreams. So, tomorrow morning when you wake up, log in and post your dream story in this thread and then I'll post afterwards and tell you which DC I was! You're being sarcastic? I don't know you well enough to tell for sure

[DreamQueen]

My post is not an example of sarcasm, no. My post is light-hearted humour. Spoiler for anyone who doesn't get my poor attempt at humour!: The humour is in the fact that obviously anyone can claim retrospectively to have been a particular DC in another person's dream ---- Actually, I'm so good at dream infiltration now that I can actually state in advance who I will be. Ghost, I will visit you the next time you dream. I will be incognito and I will be the second DC who speaks to you. I haven't yet decided what I will say to you as it will depend on what you are doing in the dream at the time. I will try to make it a comment that is relevant to the context but I may surprise you and say something completely off the wall. I haven't decided yet. Oh, one more thing... my dream recall isn't great so you may have to remind me what it was I said when you come on here tomorrow and then I will confirm it with you

[DeathCell]

No offence, but I absolutely do not agree with your statement that because it's an "internet forum" that we cannot discuss evidence or even prove things to each other. This is just another form of communication. In the past people have made discoverys simply from reading the publications of others, perhaps writing to each other and sharing their discoverys. Using telecomunications etc. This is the modern world, a great deal, a very great deal, can be achived through non-face-to-face contact. I could for example prove to you that I can play the guitar (albeit not very well) , by say, uploading a video to youtube, sending you links to stores that sell the guitar I own, getting verified accounts of other people I know who have seen my guitar playing and who could email or post here. Which part of it being an internet forum stops us from sharing information, facts, data and evidence with each other? Nothing can be accomplished by a bunch of kids on an internet forum. My opinion isn't going to change. Real world science works in laboratories and perhaps specific science outlets... not Dreamviews. You can post a youtube video, how do I know it's you? How is proving an ability to play a guitar going to prove anything important which is what I'm talking about.. like discoveries not something a large amount of people can already do. Modern world or not, nothing is going to be accomplished on this website that would be respected by any scientists. You can post, discuss, share, but it's not going to be worth a dime. (P.S. It's not hard to find people to lie for you, so a bunch of people confirming it wouldn't work.) Nothing works like face to face contact, or even long distance contact between REAL scientists could work better as it does... My point is we are a bunch of people with backgrounds in who knows what talking about everything... Evidence and proof are lacking on this website, proof for the majority people here is linking to someone else's theories... If anyone was proving anything they'd probably be working in a lab, not discussing their findings with people they don't know.

[tkdyo]

"because so many people in here" who here claims they can willy nilly enter someones dream, that made you decide to challenge them? I've been posting here for a while now and I can only think of one person, ONE PERSON who has ever claimed to be able to enter other peoples dream. most people who claim to have a shared dream experience will tell you the experience was spontaneous. and only occurred with someone they knew closely. not a total stranger. I agree with creationX, its convenient how this post was completely ignored. I dont always agree with what Juroara says but this one has no allegorical meaning and IS actually a fact.

[Creation X]

I agree with creationX, its convenient how this post was completely ignored. I dont always agree with what Juroara says but this one has no allegorical meaning and IS actually a fact. I noticed this too. No one quoted this post aside from you and I :\ It's funny how people come to beyond dreaming, trying to get us on our knee's and we shove them down on theirs. to op and other people like him: I'm not trying to be a dick, but you are being more of a dick than I am (if I am, that is) by coming to a section where people are suppose to post about there beyond dreaming experiences, or questions about anything beyond dreaming.