Thread: Morality question...

In *MY* eyes (but who am I) that is indeed morally wrong. Not only do I believe in two actual (and equal) realities, I also believing in absolute loyalty to your lover. Doesnt matter if that lover is over here or over there..dont cheat, over here or over there. All the same in my eyes.

You state "" that deosnt really exist" , makes me question if you do believe in another plane of existance? Oh if you materialize or summon a girl then she probally doesnt really exist, but then, if you are truely believe in another reality I think you can see what people(better said spirits) over there are real and who are not..or rather,feel.

Even if you do not experience another reality, here is something to think about...

Before you had lucid dreams, you had no control and were therefore innocent of your actions.

Learning to LD is like eating the apple, you are no longer innocent. You have to ask yourself, "Can I live with myself doing things in a dream that I wouldn't do when awake?"

I am not trying limiting you, but remember, your mind is your mind whether awake, having a lucid dream, or inhabiting another reality.

You have to decide what is right for you

From my personal experiences, I choose to conduct myself in a civilized manner when I am not awake.

Hm...let's let a woman say something.

I have a boyfriend. I would not like him having another girlfriend in ANY reality.

going against what I said in the dream ethics thred since I've currently discoverd these alternate universes I think that your spirit is there and your body is its recall point so in other words. Watch what you do there before you get yourself in deep shit. (who knows what could happen if you anger "them")

Originally posted by Seeker
Even if you do not experience another reality, here is something to think about...

Before you had lucid dreams, you had no control and were therefore innocent of your actions.

From my personal experiences, I choose to conduct myself in a civilized manner when I am not awake.

Hmm, but this images are created by YOUR mind. Nobody have planted this images into your mind (forget the matrix ). So it must be your personality acting. Or at least some part of your personality.

Originally posted by Seeker
Even if you do not experience another reality, here is something to think about...

Before you had lucid dreams, you had no control and were therefore innocent of your actions.

Learning to LD is like eating the apple, you are no longer innocent. You have to ask yourself, \"Can I live with myself doing things in a dream that I wouldn't do when awake?\"

I am not trying limiting you, but remember, your mind is your mind whether awake, having a lucid dream, or inhabiting another reality.

You have to decide what is right for you

From my personal experiences, I choose to conduct myself in a civilized manner when I am not awake.

Don't forget i forgot about you.
Will meet again

As for your problem EVE. I feel the same way as every 1 else does. I mean it kinda like being cheated on, by some 1 thats made up. Plus, HOW WOULD YOUR DREAM CHARECTER FEEL ABOUT IT.


The only way i could see justifying this action, is if you confonted bother girls about this.

I'm 100% seriouse.

As lame as it seems, maybe if they both agree.

More power to ya

Originally posted by Seeker
Even if you do not experience

As for your problem EVE. I feel the same way as every 1 else does. I mean it kinda like being cheated on, by some 1 thats made up. Plus, HOW WOULD YOUR DREAM CHARECTER FEEL ABOUT IT.

More power to ya

hmm, the meaning evades me. - is it about cheating on your girlfriend/boyfriend in you dreams?
Or about someone "playing yourself" in your dreams and making you think it's you acting?

Originally posted by GestaltAlteration
going against what I said in the dream ethics thred since I've currently discoverd these alternate universes I think that your spirit is there and your body is its recall point so in other words. Watch what you do there before you get yourself in deep shit. (who knows what could happen if you anger \"them\")

So true, the problem is that you dont know what is wrong. You can think

of a "normal" human morals, but they may not be applicable. there can

be much worse sins and they look innocent.

I'll provide an example, but it's not from the LD. It's from my recent drug

experience. I was tripping and had some closed eyes visuals. But they

were hazy and I decided to create imagery by myself (like in a LD).

So i decided to visualize a rocket which will take me to other realms

(remember, i was tripping hard)... So i started with a foundation. I

imagined engines and started moving up... But something started to

disassemble my rocket! I wondered what is it, and i saw/felt 2 small

entities/beings. They were just erasing my creation...

After they finished, they telepatically explained to me, that i invaded

their realm and started to create my rocket from them (from their bodies/

energy).

I felt like... Whoa!!! It cant be true.... yet it was. this 2 little energy things

spent some time showing me how to create stuff "peacefully", without

agressively disturbing their habitat/themselves.

It was just an example of "non-human" moral values/laws....

what I'm trying to say is - by breaking "human" rules you can feel guilty

for yourself, yet you dont know anything about the rules of the world you

are visiting...

But dont expect that all universes will have the same rules...

AND I QOUTE

Don't forget i forgot about you.
Will meet again

As for your problem EVE. I feel the same way as every 1 else does. I mean it kinda like being cheated on, by some 1 thats made up. Plus, HOW WOULD YOUR DREAM CHARECTER FEEL ABOUT IT.


The only way i could see justifying this action, is if you confonted bother girls about this.

I'm 100% seriouse.

As lame as it seems, maybe if they both agree.

More power to ya

Human morals..spirit morals..

Who the hell wants to be cheated on?

I know the laws over there are quite diffirent then they are over here, but whatever the laws I would not even WANT TO cheat on the given person(spirit or human). If you want more then 1 lover then apearently you dont love him/her enough and/or your not satisfied, thus you should break up anyway because
1- Your lover isnt good enough for you
2- You do not talk about the problems, instead you cheat on him/her
3- Your relationship is (in your eyes) "boring"
4- You think the sex is shit, but sex with somebody you love is never shit,its a mental orgasm when you really love somebody

And people in so called "free relationships" who can have sex with whoever they want, they are fools to. Apearently their partner isnt good enough for them aswell.

So what im trying to say is, regardless of what reality, what dimension, what matter of person(spirit or human)...

DONT CHEAT, ITS SHOWS HOW EXTREMELY STUPID YOU ARE.

Thats my little opinion

I like that opinion...

I agree! Real love makes you feel complete, if you dont its not real love.

I've been cheaten reacently...HELL...HURTS !!! I forgave her. (no SEX she says)
I've cheated once...kissed a girl when I had a girlfriend (I was 15)
Now...
I believe in true love and I hate cheating...
One thing noone likes about me...I don't believe in God...
I am going off topic...

Control your self in a dream...
Think about this...You get so drunk and end up sleeping on the street...
You wake up...you feal something is wierd...your think you'r entering Lucid dream...You think nothing is real and you are in control...Imagine you start doing all crazy things you'r mind can imagine...then you realize your dream check was wrong...It is real !
LUCID DREAMING IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL !!!
DO WHAT YOU DO IN THE REAL WORLD !!!

I wouldn't want any girlfriend of mine to be having an affair with a 'dream' boyfriend. I mean, that would be like going out with yourself, because the "boyfriend" is created by your mind, and is controlled by yourself...

...And it would just be, well, weird.

....and kinda desperate. It kinda give the other person the thought "What?! Am I not good enough for you"

Originally posted by Kaniaz
I wouldn't want any girlfriend of mine to be having an affair with a 'dream' boyfriend. I mean, that would be like going out with yourself, because the \"boyfriend\" is created by your mind, and is controlled by yourself...

...And it would just be, well, weird.

Are you sure the dream characters are controlled by yourself? I mean

they behave totally normal and you cant control them, exept for psychic

abilities like read mind/feel emotions and telepathy

My girlfriend is just here and she can't LD...
In her dreams there is a lot cheating...she says that I am mostly the one who cheats, but sometimes she is the one...
I wish she culd stop dreaming that shit...

wow...didnt really expect this topic to get this much attention...i was jus wondering what yer guys' viewpoints are...i always browse these forums at ungodly hours so im often not quite all there when i think these things...but its funny, cause in my LD i can always manage to change whoever i would be cheating with to whoever it is i would have just been cheating on...but thats only if i notice im dreaming...the problem is i dont control me until i realize its a dream, one of my dream signs is that i often find myself doing terrible things i would never do while awake, then i realize, hey, i'd never shoot that guy IRL...i must be dreaming! i was jus wondering cause i often cheat before i realize im dreaming and am able to change whats going on...my GF said shes fine with this tho, which is wierd O.o

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I wouldn't want any girlfriend of mine to be having an affair with a 'dream' boyfriend. I mean, that would be like going out with yourself, because the \"boyfriend\" is created by your mind, and is controlled by yourself...

...And it would just be, well, weird.

Are you sure the dream characters are controlled by yourself? I mean

they behave totally normal and you cant control them, exept for psychic

abilities like read mind/feel emotions and telepathy[/b]

I'm not sure how to explain this. I mean, your entire dream is controlled by your mind, even if you aren't aware of it when in the dream. And so are the dream characters, they are created by your mind, and controlled by it...I think. They might act like another being, but they don't have their own brain, and aren't capable of thinking for themselves. Your mind kind of subconciously controls these dream characters.

Mabey...or mabey not well you know what I think, and I refuse to explain over and over and over again what I think about the dream world and its inhabitants..^_^ lets all just belief whatever we want

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Originally posted by Ev@
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I wouldn't want any girlfriend of mine to be having an affair with a 'dream' boyfriend. I mean, that would be like going out with yourself, because the \"boyfriend\" is created by your mind, and is controlled by yourself...

...And it would just be, well, weird.

Are you sure the dream characters are controlled by yourself? I mean

they behave totally normal and you cant control them, exept for psychic

abilities like read mind/feel emotions and telepathy

I'm not sure how to explain this. I mean, your entire dream is controlled by your mind, even if you aren't aware of it when in the dream. And so are the dream characters, they are created by your mind, and controlled by it...I think. They might act like another being, but they don't have their own brain, and aren't capable of thinking for themselves. Your mind kind of subconciously controls these dream characters.[/b]

...makes me think of my story..The Mare...this girl gets SO good at lucid dreaming, she's like...a lucid god. she creates a mansion and lives there when she dreams. she also creates these 5 characters..3 anthros and 2 humans. I do have a prose written, it was actually a RP so half was written by a friend of mine. in the prose called Sorrow, his character who is also a lucid dreamer, meets Mistress. it gets really interesting...

But what if your mind creates those characters so fully that they become self aware...

You can ask a person in your dream if you are dreaming, most of the time they will say no of course not, because they themselves are real.
If I ask somone in this reality the same question I will get the same answer.

You can debate in both worlds, but you can never fully know if it is true or if that person is just programmed to say that.

There are the rarer occasions where you find people that agree, this happens in both worlds as well.

Yes, we are dreaming.

A dream is your down-time and evaluation of the world. Enjoy it.