Not jumping to conclusions but would like opinions. Demonic posesion?

[Jabrol2001]

Ok so a friend of mine, kind of got into the Satanic religion. And his take of it was that being a satinist was the way to go, and that christianity is the bad religion. Now i dont want to hear how the devil manipulates, lies, yada yada i know. He made his own choice and well i would like to hear your guys thoughts on this story he told me. And yes he got into doing the dangerous stuff, talking to demons, ouija board, opening chakras, the kindalin, etc. But all that stuff aside, heres the story. the i's are refering to him.. For you who think that dreams dont mean anything, then skip the dream part. So i was laying in bed. And fell into this crazy dream. The dream was of me sitting in a room, a white one, similer to an office room. And i was sitting on a chair at a table in the middle of the room. There was a window facing me, and a door behind me, that was all. Now there was someone sitting across from me, and i had no idea who he was. But for some reason i felt like i knew this person, and trusted him. So we were talking and i just couldnt get my finger on who he was, he looked familier, sounded familier but i just didnt know who he was. Time past and and i asked him why he is here. He said that he has been trying to destroy the world for some time but has been getting stopped many times. I asked him who stopped him, and he looked at me, then said you have been stopping me. This startled me, and i asked him how i have been stopping him. He said that behind the door behind me is a switch, and all you have to do is pull it. I didnt really think anything of this. He then got up and walked over to the window and i fallowed him. we were looking out at the city landscape, i turned to him and asked why he told me those things, and i finally realized who i was talking to at this time. It was me. The projection of me looked towards me and said, because its time, and raised his arms and started saying some chant under his breath. His eyes turned pitch black. i looked out the window, and see the horizon get bright, and buildings start to lift off the ground. This scared me and i was like, hey the switch, all i have to do it pull the switch. So i started heading toward the door, and as i reached for the handle (i see my arm extending) i hear him say NO NOT THIS TIME! and bam, i was paralized. And in severe pain as well. I fell to the ground with my arm still extended in my vision and all i could think about was the pain, how intense it was and more painful than anything i had felt in life (and i have a pretty high pain tolerance, broken bones, gotten stitches, and stabbed) But this was all that multiplied by 100000, you get the point. So as im laying there paralized in pain, my vision gets bright and blinded by light. I then wake up in a cold sweat. --dream over Im now laying in my bed soaked in sweat, and panting for breath. I sit up and reach for my water bottle next to my bed. i grabbed it, opened it and began drinking. Then i become paralized again as i was in the dream. The pain is back and i fall backwards as the water spills all over me and the bottle falls to the ground. Only thing i can think of is the pain, how intense it is, how much i want it gone. Then voices start to appear. Not just one, many and there talking in a whispering voice, i cant understand any of it, but they are not in one place, but all around the room, and a lot of them. Then my blanket suddenly weighs 1000000 pounds and wraps around me. The voices are still there whispering. Then my bed starts shaking, not side to side but up and down. I even hear my springs making the noise they normally do. All this is happening and the only thing that i can think of is how much i want the pain to go away, how much it hurts. I feel tears forming in my eyes. Then bam all of a sudden its morning. And i have no recollection of anything that happened after what was just exlpained. Now you might be thinking of a false awakening, as i did as well. But when he woke up in the morning... his water bottle was open, empty and on the ground next to his bed, exactly as he explained. And well that can only have happened how? If his story is true, or he just made it up. But well i know this guy really well, and have for like 7 years. Making up a story like this? No way. And the fact that he was practicing satanism? I dont really know what to think.. Any comments?

[rockerboy90]

Im not religious by any means, just to get that out of the way. your friend had a completely normal dream. Dreams can be incredibly realistic and frightening at times. When you friend woke up and was hearing voices. Thats because he was hallucinating, this happens alot during the sleep-wake transition which also explains feeling the sensation of his bed shaking(happened to me). When he said he felt his blanket weighing him down, i think thats probably sleep paralyses, which causes you to not be able to move even after your awake and sometimes creates the sensation your blanket weighs alot.

[dostoevskyblue]

this doesnt sound like demonic possession, anyway the book i just read about exorcisms(demonic possessions) talks about how they start out as -infestations-they make noises, shake or move certain objects,supposedly,demons want u to believe your becomming mentally ill,unstable,than actually being fcked with,and reveal themselves, going thru an exorcism for a demon is a painfullprocess they'llll avoid at all costs,i personally believe certain types of mental illness,schzophrenia,for example and occultism(word open to interpretation) are interchangeable anfd feed off eachother, anyway goodluck

[JamesLD]

Opening chakras isn't dangerous or satanic

[Jabrol2001]

Thanks for the opinions you guys. And it does make sense, thanks! but still, what about the water bottle? and idk the dream seemed kind of intense.. the dream before the paralisis by the way.

[Phantasos]

Thanks for the opinions you guys. And it does make sense, thanks! but still, what about the water bottle? and idk the dream seemed kind of intense.. the dream before the paralisis by the way. Did something changed in his life, views, perception etc after this dream? Did something like it have repeated?

[Jabrol2001]

Actually yes, his life did change after this happened. It wasnt right after, but he states: Before this occurd, i had some very intense dreams, (nightmares if you will). And one still stands out to this day, i think it might mean something. Ive had the so called ''sleep paralisis'' where i wake up paralized in my bed, not being able to move and that pain is always there! But no voices or shaking, just me trying to flail my body and scream, but no success. And the fallowing either occurd before or after, memory is not to great on the time placement of the actions. But, After i started practicing things, and started getting results, warming of the hand, feeling energy flow through me, having intense meditation sessions i started seeing things. My spirit animal every now and then. Flying balls of light, seeing peoples auras around them. The a few times i started seeing weird things around me, like when ever i would move my arm i would see my own aura fallow it as a tracer, and what looked like steam rise from my fingers. The next part is a story that he told me: I took a walk one night and ended up at a school. Its not to far from my house, but i was with a friend. We were sitting at one of the portables they had there and just talking. I just seen my spirit animal in the field at the school. Then as we were talking (this happened in a matter of like 2 seconds) and got this sudden shock. An intense sound came out of nowhere, and everywhere. It was like the static sound on the white static channels. But it was at a high pitch and really fast. It had no lead on, just appeared and appeared really loud. My friend said he saw my face go into shock and my head shake, my eyes closed as well. The sound left as quick as it came, but it seemed to last forever when it was there. like the 2 seconds felt as if it was minutes, or even longer. After i came out of shock, he asked me what happened, i said lets go, and we left. -story over- Thats not all the weird things that happened, continuing the interview: I then had a self realisation, one of those moments that you only know what im talking about if you had one. Im not going to go to much into into it, for i dont think its important. I then got these feelings that i knew what people where thinking, and going to say. And well i was right most of the time. I then started feeling like i can read people (like a book). My train of thought changed completley. Then.. I started to get addicted to these pills. And started doing them frequently. I kinda forgot all about what has happened spiritual wise, and i didnt really care. It was soon that i started taking high doses and 4+ times a week, and your only recomended to do it once every other week. Any ways, this was going on for some time, then i hit the wall. My body finally couldnt take anymore, and i had sort of an overdose. I was retarted for 2 weeks. Couldnt go to school, couldnt talk, understand anything, couldnt think. My heart rate was at a constant 170ish for the whole time and all i did was sleep, i dont even remember eating. I did go to the hospital, and they said i was fine.. but i went at the end of the two weeks, where i was starting to be able to function right. The lady asked me what was wrong. And i said sounding like a freaking retard, iii think, i tooooook tooo much piiiiils. I was just starting to be able to talk. But after that happened i was able to put my life in perspective, and the old things are starting to re-surface again. Some weird things did happen when i was in the 2 week state of ''coma'' basicly, and they will never leave me or change. They were to real, and changed the way i look at things, and probably forever. --------------interview end------------------ any new comments?

[Jabrol2001]

oh and he did say that no, nothing like it has happened since, but he has had a few obe's he said tho. no real nightmares, and really no dreams that stood out, except the ones that happened around that time..

[Hukif]

Pills, probably Schizophrenia? Anyway, if the bed DID shake, there must be some kind of mark in the floor, if not, he just went back to SP after picking the water up <.<

[Mjs961]

His subconscious mind isn't happy that he is Satanic, so his body is showing him the evil.

[Jabrol2001]

Pills, probably Schizophrenia? Anyway, if the bed DID shake, there must be some kind of mark in the floor, if not, he just went back to SP after picking the water up <.< He said the pills where after the incident, like 6 months - a year. I asked him about the floor, he never checked, and they have switched to wood floors since. But he did say again that it was a more of a bouncing, up and down, not side to side. not sure if this helps.

[Hukif]

Well, that ruins the only chance of knowing, even if it was bouncing, must have left a mark. So... either getting back to SP, or the demonic possesion, I would go with the first, but well... he didnt check in time.

[Baron Samedi]

For ease of commenting I am going to insert my comments into your quotes in red. Ok so a friend of mine, kind of got into the Satanic religion. And his take of it was that being a satinist was the way to go, and that christianity is the bad religion. Now i dont want to hear how the devil manipulates, lies, yada yada i know. He made his own choice and well i would like to hear your guys thoughts on this story he told me. And yes he got into doing the dangerous stuff, talking to demons, ouija board, opening chakras, the kindalin, etc. But all that stuff aside, heres the story. the i's are refering to him.. For you who think that dreams dont mean anything, then skip the dream part. Opening chakras, kundalini, and ouija boards are not bad. What do yo mean by talking to demons? So i was laying in bed. And fell into this crazy dream. The dream was of me sitting in a room, a white one, similer to an office room. And i was sitting on a chair at a table in the middle of the room. There was a window facing me, and a door behind me, that was all. Now there was someone sitting across from me, and i had no idea who he was. But for some reason i felt like i knew this person, and trusted him. So we were talking and i just couldnt get my finger on who he was, he looked familier, sounded familier but i just didnt know who he was. Time past and and i asked him why he is here. He said that he has been trying to destroy the world for some time but has been getting stopped many times. I asked him who stopped him, and he looked at me, then said you have been stopping me. This startled me, and i asked him how i have been stopping him. He said that behind the door behind me is a switch, and all you have to do is pull it. I didnt really think anything of this. He then got up and walked over to the window and i fallowed him. we were looking out at the city landscape, i turned to him and asked why he told me those things, and i finally realized who i was talking to at this time. It was me. The projection of me looked towards me and said, because its time, and raised his arms and started saying some chant under his breath. His eyes turned pitch black. i looked out the window, and see the horizon get bright, and buildings start to lift off the ground. This scared me and i was like, hey the switch, all i have to do it pull the switch. So i started heading toward the door, and as i reached for the handle (i see my arm extending) i hear him say NO NOT THIS TIME! and bam, i was paralized. And in severe pain as well. I fell to the ground with my arm still extended in my vision and all i could think about was the pain, how intense it was and more painful than anything i had felt in life (and i have a pretty high pain tolerance, broken bones, gotten stitches, and stabbed) But this was all that multiplied by 100000, you get the point. So as im laying there paralized in pain, my vision gets bright and blinded by light. I then wake up in a cold sweat. Lucid dreaming would definitely help with nightmares like this, or any nightmares. --dream over Im now laying in my bed soaked in sweat, and panting for breath. I sit up and reach for my water bottle next to my bed. i grabbed it, opened it and began drinking. This part was waking life. Then i become paralized again as i was in the dream. The pain is back and i fall backwards as the water spills all over me and the bottle falls to the ground. This is a SP transition into a dream. Only thing i can think of is the pain, how intense it is, how much i want it gone. Then voices start to appear. Not just one, many and there talking in a whispering voice, i cant understand any of it, but they are not in one place, but all around the room, and a lot of them. This is hypnogogic (hypnopompic?) aural hallucinations. Then my blanket suddenly weighs 1000000 pounds and wraps around me. The voices are still there whispering. Then my bed starts shaking, not side to side but up and down. I even hear my springs making the noise they normally do. All this is happening and the only thing that i can think of is how much i want the pain to go away, how much it hurts. I feel tears forming in my eyes. Then bam all of a sudden its morning. And i have no recollection of anything that happened after what was just exlpained. Now you might be thinking of a false awakening, as i did as well. But when he woke up in the morning... his water bottle was open, empty and on the ground next to his bed, exactly as he explained. And well that can only have happened how? If his story is true, or he just made it up. But well i know this guy really well, and have for like 7 years. Making up a story like this? No way. And the fact that he was practicing satanism? I dont really know what to think.. Any comments? Well, it would be a lot easier if your friend himself was posting on here. What kind of Satanism? The Church of Satan brand where they don't even believe in Satan, and are basically hedonist pagans? Or Luciferian Satanism where they actually worship Satan? Actually yes, his life did change after this happened. It wasnt right after, but he states: Before this occurd, i had some very intense dreams, (nightmares if you will). And one still stands out to this day, i think it might mean something. Ive had the so called ''sleep paralisis'' where i wake up paralized in my bed, not being able to move and that pain is always there! But no voices or shaking, just me trying to flail my body and scream, but no success. The pain is created by the fear of sleep paralysis, hypnogogic hallucinations, and demons. Once he realizes that SP and HH is natural, and he doesn't have to be afraid of demons, the pain will go away. And the fallowing either occurd before or after, memory is not to great on the time placement of the actions. But, After i started practicing things, and started getting results, warming of the hand, feeling energy flow through me, having intense meditation sessions i started seeing things. My spirit animal every now and then. Flying balls of light, seeing peoples auras around them. The a few times i started seeing weird things around me, like when ever i would move my arm i would see my own aura fallow it as a tracer, and what looked like steam rise from my fingers. Kundalini should not be practiced without being grounded. Your friend needs to go into himself while meditating, and pull energy up from the ground. He is going off into nevernever land, and he doesn't know what the hell is going on. I have experienced almost all of the above. It's nothing to be afraid of or amazed by. DO NOT BE AMAZED. The next part is a story that he told me: I took a walk one night and ended up at a school. Its not to far from my house, but i was with a friend. We were sitting at one of the portables they had there and just talking. I just seen my spirit animal in the field at the school. Then as we were talking (this happened in a matter of like 2 seconds) and got this sudden shock. An intense sound came out of nowhere, and everywhere. It was like the static sound on the white static channels. But it was at a high pitch and really fast. It had no lead on, just appeared and appeared really loud. My friend said he saw my face go into shock and my head shake, my eyes closed as well. The sound left as quick as it came, but it seemed to last forever when it was there. like the 2 seconds felt as if it was minutes, or even longer. After i came out of shock, he asked me what happened, i said lets go, and we left. -story over- Thats not all the weird things that happened, continuing the interview: I then had a self realisation, one of those moments that you only know what im talking about if you had one. Im not going to go to much into into it, for i dont think its important. I then got these feelings that i knew what people where thinking, and going to say. And well i was right most of the time. I then started feeling like i can read people (like a book). My train of thought changed completley. This is okay. Do not be amazed. Do not be fascinated with yourself. You are special, but you are not unique. You are not going to change the world by yourself for good or ill. You are weak, and cannot destroy it. Stop being amazed, and you will begin to have more control and peace. Then.. I started to get addicted to these pills. And started doing them frequently. I kinda forgot all about what has happened spiritual wise, and i didnt really care. It was soon that i started taking high doses and 4+ times a week, and your only recomended to do it once every other week. Any ways, this was going on for some time, then i hit the wall. My body finally couldnt take anymore, and i had sort of an overdose. I was retarted for 2 weeks. Couldnt go to school, couldnt talk, understand anything, couldnt think. My heart rate was at a constant 170ish for the whole time and all i did was sleep, i dont even remember eating. I did go to the hospital, and they said i was fine.. but i went at the end of the two weeks, where i was starting to be able to function right. The lady asked me what was wrong. And i said sounding like a freaking retard, iii think, i tooooook tooo much piiiiils. I was just starting to be able to talk. But after that happened i was able to put my life in perspective, and the old things are starting to re-surface again. Some weird things did happen when i was in the 2 week state of ''coma'' basicly, and they will never leave me or change. They were to real, and changed the way i look at things, and probably forever. What kind of pills? --------------interview end------------------ any new comments? There is no "bad" religion. All religions have some truth, and some falsehood, just like every person. There are many versions and interpretations to all religions. Calling any one religion bad or good simply closes the mind to possibilities. I understand how your friend feels. I have had many very similar experiences. The main thing he needs is guidance. Is he doing kundalini on his own? He should have a teacher. He also needs a psychic mentor to guide him on his journey. Chi gong will help him channel his energy. Most importantly, he should be posting on here himself, because everything will get filtered by you, and diluted. This is nothing against you, it's simply the nature of secondhand information.

[Jabrol2001]

I know he should be the one that is posting here. But he doesnt want any way for it to get traced back to him, so i volunteered to be the middle man. I am trying to keep the information exact as possible and am trying not to filter anything out. Ok so after talking to him about your questions WakingNomad, i am going to try put the answers in order from when you asked them. Again, this is in terms of him, not me. --------------------------------- By talking to demons, he means that they felt near him, comforting him. There was times when it felt like i was getting pats on my head. He is not sure what kind of satanism it is. But he got started from this http://joyofsatan.org/ The pills were DXM. Yes he was doing the practicing on him own. ------------------------------------------------- That was all the questions i saw. Let me know if i missed one. He is very thankful of all of what you guys said.

[SKA]

Opening Chakras is actually used to do spiritual healing and cleansing: cleansing of evil spirits: demons: ego: Evil in general. Calling forth supernatural beings; spirits is neither good nor bad. The intention of those who calls forth the spirits is good or bad and so someone can either call forth good spirits or bad spirits. Bad spirits tend to unbalance and harm the one who summoned them and those around them. Good spirits generally seem to bring balance and healing to those who call forth these spirits and those around them. If your friend is seriously under the influence of evil spirits then tell him to participate in a Spiritually cleansing/healing ritual. Ayahuasca rituals are perfect spiritual cleansing,(allthough not for the faint at heart and a diet should be followed prior to and during the ritual) Chakra opening + chanting may also help cleanse this negative energy from your friend. I am also sure that, as strange as it may sound, the peacefullness of nature could do your friend alot of good. Spending more time at a lake or in the woods, dunes, mountains..etc and meditating there. In my personal experience I too have been overcome by evil, destructive spirits. Completely overtook me and all I could do was watch as it acted in my name with my body. I found out that this evil spirit was easily cleansed from me when I smoked Marijuana. Just in time because this destrucive spirits was really up to no good with me. Ever since I have come to see Marijuana as my medicine as it seems to offer effective protection against these evil spirits. Cannabliss. This may not work similair to different individuals, but they work for me.

[Baron Samedi]

I know he should be the one that is posting here. But he doesnt want any way for it to get traced back to him, so i volunteered to be the middle man. I am trying to keep the information exact as possible and am trying not to filter anything out. Ok so after talking to him about your questions WakingNomad, i am going to try put the answers in order from when you asked them. Okay. Well, he needs to stop being so paranoid. I totally understand. I went through a similar spiritual awakening when I was in my early twenties. My paranoia became so intense that I thought I was going insane. The only way to release the paranoia is to realize that you are not the only one. I really wish he'd just create an account and post stuff himself, or at least PM me. Part of paranoia is also feeling of grandiosity coupled with feeling alone. Kind of like, "Oh my god! I have these powers! I am alone." Then you feel frightened. It's a strange feeling. Actually, we all have powers. We are all psychic in different areas to varying degrees. He is prolonging the process of getting realigned and centered by allowing his fear and paranoia to dominate his mind. Again, this is in terms of him, not me. --------------------------------- By talking to demons, he means that they felt near him, comforting him. There was times when it felt like i was getting pats on my head. He is not sure what kind of satanism it is. But he got started from this http://joyofsatan.org/ I checked out that site. The only brands of Satanism I have heard of previously were Luciferian and a humanist/hedonist type. This is actually a type of paganism. The demons are spirit guides. Calling them demons to himself or others is not really a good idea, because then you associate evil with the word demon. I have a spirit guide that looks like a demon, and he used to freak me out whenever he tried to talk to me, but he has never caused me harm. So, he is not talking to demons. If they are comforting him, and patting him on the head, then he should just call them spirit guides, for that is what they are. Demons are spirits with a kind of dark vampiric energy, like a black hole, as far as I know. I have little experience with real demons. My experience with demons was me seeing or hearing ghosts or spirit guides, and thinking they were demons. The pills were DXM. Yes he was doing the practicing on him own. Kundalini should only be practiced with a trained kundalini yogi. Many people have a lot of strange problems after a kundalini awakening. He needs to learn to ground himself. This is the most important thing. Don't worry about spirits, spirituality or supernatural powers. Focus on natural earth energy. The best way to do this is to spend as much time in nature as possible. When you meditate, don't float away. Go down and in, not up and out. The only chakra he should focus on is the root chakra right now. Ground. By down, I mean, focus on pulling earth energy. Sit straight up, on your sitting bones. Stand straight up, on your feet. Feel your feet pressing into the earth. By in I mean go into the self, not out into the cosmos. Focus on the self and the beauty within. Close your eyes, and roll your eyes back and up, and look into your heart. Know and love yourself. This will keep you from freaking out, and doing random harmful things such as drug binges. Standing on the earth and walking on earth as much as possible will help, as opposed to sidewalks and building which separate us from the earth. Walking barefoot is good if it's still warm enough in your area. Common stones help to ground, and eating roots such as potatoes, yams, carrots, and ginger. ------------------------------------------------- That was all the questions i saw. Let me know if i missed one. He is very thankful of all of what you guys said. Opening Chakras is actually used to do spiritual healing and cleansing: cleansing of evil spirits: demons: ego: Evil in general. Calling forth supernatural beings; spirits is neither good nor bad. The intention of those who calls forth the spirits is good or bad and so someone can either call forth good spirits or bad spirits. Bad spirits tend to unbalance and harm the one who summoned them and those around them. Good spirits generally seem to bring balance and healing to those who call forth these spirits and those around them. If your friend is seriously under the influence of evil spirits then tell him to participate in a Spiritually cleansing/healing ritual. Ayahuasca rituals are perfect spiritual cleansing,(allthough not for the faint at heart and a diet should be followed prior to and during the ritual) Chakra opening + chanting may also help cleanse this negative energy from your friend. I am also sure that, as strange as it may sound, the peacefullness of nature could do your friend alot of good. Spending more time at a lake or in the woods, dunes, mountains..etc and meditating there. In my personal experience I too have been overcome by evil, destructive spirits. Completely overtook me and all I could do was watch as it acted in my name with my body. I found out that this evil spirit was easily cleansed from me when I smoked Marijuana. Just in time because this destrucive spirits was really up to no good with me. Ever since I have come to see Marijuana as my medicine as it seems to offer effective protection against these evil spirits. Cannabliss. This may not work similair to different individuals, but they work for me. I would just like to comment that cannabis may help. Find an strong indica if you can, and avoid the strong sativas. He sounds a little high strung, and a good indica may help him calm down. Everything SKA has said resonates with me as true and good.

[Kuhnada29]

Satanism is not a religion, it's a philosophy. But still a belief. There are no demons or evil spirits. All of that is a just a manifestation of personal fears. The only thing to ever fear is fear itself. It may even be good to pity it. You'd be surprised at the thoughts the entertainment industry programs in your head subliminally.

[Jabrol2001]

Thanks SKA, very helpful. Just one question tho, You saying my friend should smoke pot? HAHAA

[Jabrol2001]

Just saw your post waking nomad, and wow, that made him feel so much better. He is coming to terms, but it might take him a little more time, he needs to think and realize more to what you said and create a common grounds. The part that really got him was the 'not alone' part. This was most helpful, as well as searching from within, and not the cosmos. Thanks nomad!

[SKA]

Thanks SKA, very helpful. Just one question tho, You saying my friend should smoke pot? HAHAA Perhaps. If it helps him maintain a positive, balanced mindstate like it does for me then why not? Evil spirits are very real. Ever blacked out gradually and faintly came back to consciousness just to passively, powerlessly watch how something is using your body to destroy your life? It happened to me and 2 other people I know recently. Also I happen to know a kind of grizzly guy who's generally up to no good (stealing from friends, drugging 14 and 16y/o girls and having sex with them, then dumping them while being 22 himself) and he's got this magical sympathising charm. He recently got into voodoo. No I've no idea if in such a short time he could have managed to cause this harm to us with voodoo but I know very well, as many others here may know, that with Voodoo you can do some PRETTY fucked up, VERY REAL things to people. I turn to Marijuana, Chanting Chakra Meditation and Ayahuasca Rituals with Santo Daime as my healing/cleansing of and protection against these destructive spirits. What possessed and nearly destroyed me may be strong, but nowhere near as strong as mama ayahuasca.