Can someone clear up information about shared dreaming?
So I thought "single player" lucid dreaming was amazing. Now I hear about "multiplayer" dreams (more reference to my analogy). So, is this real? Do people actually share dreams and hang out with each other? People often say they meet up and have dreams together. If this is possible, how can I accomplish it? I'd really like to have a go first hand to see if it can be pulled off. And please tell me more about it, in short and simple paragraphs (if possible).
EDIT: I just found the Deep Dreaming forum but can't be bothered waiting for acceptance. I often think logically and usually would ignore the whole idea of shared dreams, but I am really excited about the prospect and it is very intriguing.
Beyond Dreaming will give you a balance of opinions, which is a healthy way to approach a subject.
The DDT, is more like going to "church" where everyone believes and noone is allowed to be critical or skeptical. Bit like a cult in that respect.
So I suppose it depends how sensible you are really, do you want a balanced opinion or just the one sided view of the believers?
Is shared dreaming possible?
Unfortunatly, as much as i would LOVE for it to be possible, I think it's a bit of wishful thinking and trying to make coincidental events fit around beliefs.
It's been of huge interest to a great deal of researchers, and so a great deal of study has been put into it. No one has been able to establish any kind of connection during a dream
Although, there are stories that a certain sect of Sufis used to be able to share dreams, HOWEVER these guys all used to sleep in the same cave together, and pretty much did everything together during the day.
So I wouldn't be suprised if they managed to somehow develop some kind of verbal communication whilst dreaming...
OR basically sleep talking to each other whilst dreaming.
So, it could well be possible to develop a skill, where you can sleep talk to someone sharing your bed who is also dreaming. That seems like the most plausable way to have a shared dream.
But, I think you're pretty safe in your dream privacy.
For shared dreaming to be real, you have to make a LOT of big assumptions about physics, the human mind, the universe etc. which don't actually have any standing in observable reality.
If you do manage to have a shared dream, I would however love to hear about it. Despite being skeptical, that dosn't mean i don't want it to be true, because it woud be a fantastic thing if it were!
Just, I'd rather not play make believe, like they seem to do in the DDT.
Last edited by spaceexplorer; 10-14-2009 at 01:07 PM.
Yes because obviously, one person out of over 6 billion currently allive (and the billions who have died before us), who happens to post a dream journal on one forum, which could very easily be either falsified, self deluded, or just simply mistaken... is all the evidence you need to prove dream sharing.
That is exactly the same as replying to the question... "is elvis dead?"
With: "sigh... go read the diary of that homeless guy who claims to be Elvis"
Anyone can write ANYTHING they want on a forum, for ANY reason they want. With virtually no comeback in their own personal lives. But also, lets not ignore that someone making impressive claims, also has a lot to gain... they gain respect, friends, authority on the subject etc.
So for very little personal risk, someone, who we know nothing about, who may for example, have a rather unfulfilling and unsocial real life, could come into this forum, and make whatever claims they want.
You know, I could get a friend to set up an account, write a detailed dream journal about how they can dreamshare... all completely fictional... and noone would be any the wiser. Who knows, maybe Nomad IS that friend?
Maybe we met at university, are sociology students studying the nature of human belief, gullability and skepticism.
This is not a personal attack on Nomad, i'm sure he is a lovelly guy.
BUT, it is an attack on not thinking things through, accepting things on face value without even the slightest bit of critical thinking or skepticism.
So sigh as much as you like, but one persons claims are not proof.
If Nomad really can have shared dreams, and it is as easy as he claims...
Then i'm sure he would be happy to demonstrate this claim in a way which consitiutes as proof.
I'd be more than happy to attempt to dream share with him, and in that dream tell him a piece of information only i am aware of.
If he can then during waking life demonstrate that he knows that information, that would be a big step towards demonstrating his credibility.
Writing a dreamjournal, unfortunatly offers nothing.
I myself could start a dream journal and make whatever claims i wish.
That wouldn't make those claims true either.
Sure, it's good to trust our fellow human beings, and I'd hope that Nomad isn't out to fool people.
I'll offer him the benifit of the doubt, that he genuinely believes what he shares.
However, that still dosn't mean his claims are genuine.
There could be all number of reasons that he may have misinterpreted his experiences.
And before you say i'm not open minded, educate yourself on what open minded is:
Last edited by spaceexplorer; 10-14-2009 at 02:14 PM.
That's not at all what I'm saying. Sure he could be lying. The main reason I'm trying to have a shared dream is still to prove to myself that it is possible.
But the fact that it could be false it in no way any reason to write it off as one big lie.
He's not the only one here that does shared dreaming either. Isn't MoSh into it too? Would he lie about it?
Since Nomad's shared dreaming tutorial, a number of us, myself included have become interested in shared dreaming.. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I really like your healthy criticism and open-mindedness at the same time spaceexplorer !
I have gotten away with total peace of mind from a lot of disputes after I realized that there's nothing to be scared about the truth - If the other person can prove his statements I gladly accept them. If I know something by experience and I can't prove my statement I still feel peace inside me because I know that If that is really the truth that I consider being truth, then life will teach him/her the same. Sooner or later truth comes out anyway...
I felt reluctant (sometimes even now) to the word energy as in the energy healing and raise your vibration etc. But then when I read Abraham (by Hicks) - there was written that there are actually feeling names to describe energy. Gratitude, joy, love being high (because you actually feel great, happy, light etc) and depression, grief, fear being in the bottom (because you actually feel that heaviness and weight on yourself, you have greater inertia and other characteristical patterns). That doesn't actually prove that energy healing without any words and bodily contact exists.
I really like the eastern philosophy. But like everything in this world can be misinterpreted, so is eastern philosophy. And I don't consider mine the right one. In the western world there is too much accent on the physical - word energy for me is a great word to describe all the influences to an individual - physical, emotional, mental. If you watch comedy movies 30 days in a row - You definitely influence your physical health in the process - there are even clown doctors. Anyone seen the movie Patch Adams.
I know about the power of touch and the power of words spoken from deep understanding. I work with them every day. And I feel really in content with the flow in life - there are things I know and things I don't know - and whatever is worth knowing (truths) will prove itself to me (because I know I'm open to check new ideas)
Although I believe that there are past lives and we are capable of much more than we are letting us believe at the time.
On the other hand I've found that sometimes inner feelings (not necessarily emotions) are much more profound in their holistic view on the situations than pure reasoning. I've also experienced that if I keep on focusing on that feeling I will get memories and thoughts that build up that feeling, but never all of them. That's starting to get strange I'll stop now.
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And before you say i'm not open minded, educate yourself on what open minded is:
o⋅pen-mind⋅ed /ˈoʊpənˈmaɪndɪd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [oh-puhn-mahyn-did] –adjective
1. having or showing a mind receptive to new ideas or arguments.
2. unprejudiced; unbigoted; impartial.
The second definition would indicate you are not open minded if you have already firmly decided your opinion on a topic because that would eliminate the impartial part. For example, if you are firmly convinced that shared dreaming is impossible, you have already decided and are close minded on that topic. Please note that I said if. On some topics I am open minded, on others I am not open minded because I have been firmly convinced of what I believe. I would have to admit I'm not very open minded to the idea shared dreaming is impossible because I have experienced it... but of course that doesn't produce any proof I can share with anyone else. I wish it did.
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