Thread: Shared Dreaming/Making Other People Lucid/ Entering Dreams

you certainly have a point about the masses not caring.
however, isn't it true that this phenomenon has not been 'proven' yet, even to the specialized scientific community that would, in fact, care?
like i said, it would be great discovery in this esoteric field of 'oneirology'.

i would simply try it myself, but i am just not a very competent dreamer at the moment; i plan to try this phenomenon out once i see myself capable. and i'll probably be back here planning to meet some people on this forum - and if/when it works, one of the first things i'm going to do is work towards an experiment that the scientific community may accept.

what troubles me is that this does not seem to have been accomplished by anyone yet - despite compelling anecdotal evidence. which either means the phenomenon "doesn't exist," or that it is not widespread enough that someone has actually bothered to take the trouble to empirically verify it.

Maybe those who have learned to consistently share dreams have also learned to keep it to themselves? Personally I would be eager to have this scientifically proven and would be glad to be the lab rat, but I have only had a handful of verified shared dreams in 15+ of LDing and they all happened unexpectedely. My intentional attempts to share dreams has always failed.

Originally Posted by trev

you certainly have a point about the masses not caring.
however, isn't it true that this phenomenon has not been 'proven' yet, even to the specialized scientific community that would, in fact, care?
like i said, it would be great discovery in this esoteric field of 'oneirology'.

i would simply try it myself, but i am just not a very competent dreamer at the moment; i plan to try this phenomenon out once i see myself capable. and i'll probably be back here planning to meet some people on this forum - and if/when it works, one of the first things i'm going to do is work towards an experiment that the scientific community may accept.

what troubles me is that this does not seem to have been accomplished by anyone yet - despite compelling anecdotal evidence. which either means the phenomenon "doesn't exist," or that it is not widespread enough that someone has actually bothered to take the trouble to empirically verify it.

Actually nomad, raven I would try to convince you that shared dreaming is posible only so you can try and experience it by yourself or hang out in a dream =). But if you're asking for evidence by experiments, GO! look for them by yourself , we don't give a damn.

If you take sometime to think for yourself, you'll notice that you are only trying to proove if it's true for you, there may be a bunch of proof and maybe you still won't believe it, believing is a choice, experiments aren't gonna change things drasticly for you.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Maybe those who have learned to consistently share dreams have also learned to keep it to themselves? Personally I would be eager to have this scientifically proven and would be glad to be the lab rat, but I have only had a handful of verified shared dreams in 15+ of LDing and they all happened unexpectedely. My intentional attempts to share dreams has always failed.

I have intentionally done it twice, I just remember shouting the persons name in this case it was "Raven Knight!" and she appeared =) , after she left my dream went really strange lol.

@mowglycdb - on the contrary, i would consider the first-hand experience of doing it (personal proof) something that would be for myself. this is something i intend to try, like i said, when i have more time/expertise.

on the other hand, fulfilling an experiment would help so many others - and it would give credence to this phenomenon which is dismissed by so many. i'm not so much 'asking' for evidence from experiments as i am encouraging it; it seems that personally experiencing the phenomenon is much easier than experimentally verifying it anyway, so i have no reason to demand evidence for personal understanding when i haven't tried it yet.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

No... no... no... Don't you know that cyborgs now walk the earth? We have created a new form of matter itself? We can freeze human embryos indefinitely, and implant them in a womb eons from now. Human blood pumps through pigs that are part man. All this is real.

We humans have been sharing dreams for millions of years. It's nothing new. No burden of proof rests on my shoulders. You can do it, everyone can do it. The problem isn't anecdotal evidence blah blah blah... The problem is that everyone can do it, but most don't even try, especially "skeptics". No experiments. Only lessons. Fuck "experiments." I am not a goddamned lab rat, and neither are you.

Why prove to the masses anything? The masses don't give a shit about dreams. When was the last time someone randomly brought up dreams in a conversation? No. People care about American Idol, Wal-Mart, cars... being the best consumers and faithful taxpayers they can.



That was very good of you to aid them in their nightmare. Come to the Moon, and share dreams with us.

Do what now?

Originally Posted by EdwardStark

Do what now?

Elaborate.

-Snip for not being a good reader and reading the original quoted thingy.-

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

When I finally rememberd to do this last night (I was at my house in my dream so I knew exactly where to go) when I got far enough away from my house everything just started to fade to black and I had to turn around.

Lucidity - I don't think you should have turned around when everything started to fade to black.
In order for you to enter a shared dream environment with another person, sometimes the dream that you originally start from has to totally be dissolved in order to let the common/shared dream space materialize.
People often associate darkness or blackness in dreams with waking up, or the dream being over. But blackness is often a necessary transitory state in order to go from one stage of "dreaming" to another.
The next time you perceive things fading to black, just stay with it, and hold in your mind the objective that you want to achieve. You might then find that the darkness begins to give way to light, and to a new dream.

~ Larther

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

So I just woke up from the longest and most vivid lucid dream I've ever had and it was damn awesome. For awhile now me and my other friend who lucid dreams and I have been wanting to have a shared dream. We always thought that we could just fly to the other persons house and "go get them". When I finally rememberd to do this last night (I was at my house in my dream so I knew exactly where to go) when I got far enough away from my house everything just started to fade to black and I had to turn around.
Can you guys give me any techniques to
1. enter other peoples dreams
2. Make other people lucid
3. Share a dream

Any help is awesome because these are some things I really wanna do

If one wishes to influence thru mutual dreaming.

1)Practice feeling/being connected. There is always something in our lives that we feel connected to. Learn what this is like. Then when ones knows what that connection is like one knows what connection feels like. When one knows what connection feels like one may under normal conditions connect with whatever one wishes.

It has been my experience that when I intend to connect with a person in the dream state I connect with them while awake. When I feel I am connected deeply then I simply allow myself to fall asleep feeling that connection. Then when I arrive in the dream world I am in thier dreams.

2) Trickery or Permission. It is possible to trick someone who is dreaming unaware & unquesitoning into lucidity or giving in to that which they want in private or secret. Permission is the best place to begin if it is consensual. However, in my experience trickery is helpful even if it is consensual. The reason being is that we all crave joy, love & wonder but being timid some of us including ourselves needs a blinder to take our minds of the fear or loss.

With that being said if they are willing or not to experience shared dreaming do your best to be kind & gentle with them for we will and do judge ourselves by what we do to ourselves & others. Also when we act in this way the person who becomes lucid will feel as tho they did it themselves on thier own power. When we feel POWERfull & not POWERless we act generious, fearless, loving & joyful. I has been my experience that this makes better playmates

3) Already Fulfilled. When you connect & ride that connection into sleep you are dream sharing.

Blessed Be

I have had one shared dreaming with a first cousin who is related to me by blood and an extremely skilled lucid dreamer. He entered my dream at a location we both know well and did me the service of making me lucid. Unfortunatly I forgot most of the dream upon awaking, but I do remember walking out over the water and waving 'goodbye' and he has confirmed this.

Originally Posted by Point

Well, if you make a specific claim which can be tested, then a proper test will reveal the truth. If you turned out to be right then the test would give us objective evidence of the existence of the paranormal, prove current science wrong and let us advance our knowledge of the nature of the universe.



This is my experiment proposal in a nutshell. If you can succed in commmunicating things (like a word) to someone else through dreams (and there would be simple ways to insure/prove you didn't cheat), then this would prove the existence of shared dreaming.

If you can find a partner who would be willing to perform this here test with you, then we can set up and begin a basic verision of the experiment very quickly. Interested?

In my opinion....
We all here know the mind has extraordinary powers... those who are skeptic also...

If they want you to prove your powers in a room FULL of people who don't believe you can do it, full of people who is closed-minded to anything paranormal happening, this could represent a huge blockage for the psychic trying to prove the others...
All this negative energy in the air would block this persons powers, unless this person had A LOOOT of power, there is a huge chance he or she would fail...
Because of all the thoughts of those negative skeptic people...

Don't you think?