Thread: Waking, Sleeping, dreaming, life, death, rebirth

@Dannon Oneironaut:
With HH i meant hypnagogic hallucinations.

Thank you very much for that post.

I think i know what you mean by saying that we have to enjoy the dreams and the life. That is my view as well and that is what im trying to do in conscious way lately. But interaction created karma,yes? In a way i get it though. Cos for some time i try not to lie and to say things which must be said even though i know it could cause some pain to someone or to me but i know is just temporal. I mean that every time i feel bad cos smb told me something about me which i do not like, i know i feel bad cos im stupid and my ego feels bad So i think and go over it. And when i say something to others even though i know it will hurt them i know i must say it cos it will get worse. In other words i try to speak my heart. This way i do not feel entangled in strange thoughts and feelings and know whats going on. I give the ball the person and then it depends on the persons actions.

I think i will write you a PM when i manage to put what is bothering me in a better way. Now i feel is too messy. It is there and want to go out but needs more time.

Just a small note. You said not to worry that i will feel tired in the morning if i sleep consciously. But some nights are really tiring

Thank you again!

It is normal to create karma. Only a rare individual escapes karma forever. For us, it is enough to have glimpses beyond it every once in a while. The only time I would recommend saying something to someone that would hurt them is if you yourself wronged them without them knowing. Then you owe them the truth. Otherwise it is not your business.

If you are feeling tired from trying to sleep consciously then relax more and get some good sleep. The reason that you are tired is because you are not letting yourself fall asleep totally. Just because it is possible to sleep consciously doesn't mean that you are sleeping. HH is not sleep. It is the beginning of it. But you need to go through the dream state and the deep sleep state in order to feel rested. This takes practice. But it isn't so hard. Try being conscious for two hours then let yourself sleep normally. After three weeks if you get good at it you can try to relax more deeply while sleeping conscious. If you manage to remain conscious during deep dreamless sleep you will encounter the clear light of sleep. Like I said, this is advanced so don't try to get ahead of yourself.

So you are from Singapore? I went there once to renew my visa for Indonesia. Rumors of pirates.

Yeah, usually i stay conscious for about an hour and then i let myself to sleep. But some nights are tiring, i mean i have some really mind engaging dreams, i know i dream and yet i see that weird machinery all night long and it occupies my mind nevertheless so in the morning im tired. or similar dreams.

Im from Bulgaria but now i work in Singapore. Are you in Indonesia or you were just traveling?

Just traveling.
Why not try to do some nice deep conscious breathing before going to bed if you don't already to get that weird machinery to go? I like to breathe slower and slower, and shallower and shallower. Then my body relaxes. Then when I feel like I need to inhale, I wait an extra moment or two, then I inhale less than I feel like I need to. Then I immediately let the air exhale by itself. Basically I keep my lungs as empty as possible and my heart slows down. This makes my mind so peaceful and I can't even feel my body. I like to visualize my chakras and meridians like glowing light, then I visualize my dream body. I take control of my HH and just keep meditating on my breathing and visualizations. When I feel like I am in sleep paralysis and my mind is lucid I forget about my breathing and just focus on my visualization. I like to visualize that I am walking up a never-ending spiral staircase but I am not looking where I am going, I am looking at my feet.

I see. Ok in fact i do what you do except the visualizations of the chakras,meridians and dream body. I still dunno what that dream body is so no idea how to visualize it But when i do the relaxing and slowing breathing i concentrate on the colorful spot in my vision and then the energy engulfs me and i become an 3D ellipse of energy the length of my body. Usually the color of that energy ellipse is yellow. Lately and i dont pay much attention to HHs even though sometimes is fun. But i try to exclude everything which can disturb me and just focus on the colorful spot and try to stop my conscious thought. Sometimes i visualize a tunnel without end like in the Stargate stuff. Couple of times it led me to some places but most of the times is just endless and i just follow all the turns for as long as i can.

Btw can you recommend some good book in english about the meridians? I am interested in that and because of the healing and taiji.

I cannot recommend a good book on it because they are all the same. Just feel your meridians. Just feel your body. Then your subtle body, then your dream body. Your dream body is the body you have in your dreams. It is your self-image. The most important meridian to know is the one that goes up your spine. And the one that comes down your front. Then you have ones that go down your arms and ones that go down your legs. They are always symmetrical so if you have one going down the front of your leg you also have one coming up the back of your leg. They are like nerves. You don't need to know where all of your nerves are to feel sensations. Search acupuncture meridians if google images. Check out the 61 point meditation. Search it.

Now let us try to get back on topic of how waking, sleeping, and dreaming relate to life, death, and rebirth an Tibetan teachings.

Thanks i will check.
On the topic was having some thoughts today while drinking my tea. Was thinking about LD and focus. The LD is teaching us to concentrate our focus(increasing of awareness) on things which in turn make them to appear. This is valid in 'real' life as well even though not so obvious. For example in a dream one can focus on a feeling for someone and then this person appears, the other side of the coin is that if you ignore a DC it disappears(we remove our focus from it). In 'real' life if we concentrate on something we make it appear by creating it or by the not so obvious way of the connectedness of all. Our focus and intention makes the world to make it appear. This is a bit like the Castaneda's: Our will becomes the will of the eagle.

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