The Astral Projection Thread

[Astralization]

Hello everyone, i'm new here and I just started training for Astral Projection and I have to say it is one of the best personal experiences anyone can do. You are literally separating your body in what is called an Astral Body or Etheric Body. I myself have not yet experienced AP but I know that it's possible because I heard numerous accounts of people experiencing this and I got close to leaving my body. Now, for those of you who want to leave your body and expieriment with Astral Projection I recommend you Read Out of Body Experiences by Robert Peterson, Journeys Out of Body by Robert Monroe and Otherwhere by Kurt Leland. Now, I'm not any expert on Astral Projection yet but the community can gather together and discuss it and how to have it. There are a lot of new modern ways to induce AP but I highly disregard drugs to induce Astral Projection, trust me you can do this on your own and change brain state anytime whereas relying on drugs will weaken your ability to do it yourself. astralization,

[TJuulsgaard]

I also recommend reading books by William Buhlmann and Robert Bruce. I have been experiencing quite a bit with achieving OBE's and lately had 3 in a week. I know that a lot of people on these pages believe that WILDS and OBE's are the same thing... I'm not sure about that. But I believe there is something missing in that discussion and that it is the relation between the dream-world and the so called astral-planes. Some people regard OBE's as going out of the body into the "real physical world" - but that is not how it works, at least not according to guys like: William Buhlmann, Thomas Campbell, Bruce Moen and Robert Monroe. Robert Monroes first book is about leaving the body physically, but his later books are all about "inner travels". Buhlmann is talking about "our real physical world as being "the outer crust" of a big onion - and out of body experiences are taking us inwards. Its all about frequency and worlds which are more or less thoughtform-responsive. So all is not black or white, when discussing OBE's vs. dreams/WILDS. William Buhlmann is great at giving an overview of things; try listening to these 2 interviews: no.1 http://www.astralinfo.org./audio/01%...20with%20W.mp3 no.2 http://c2.libsyn.com/media/17929/TOT...385308ebc21dd2 Or look at his website (where you can also download the soundfiles as mp3's) http://www.astralinfo.org./

[Astralization]

Thanks for the response TJuulsgaard, there are a lot of resources out there about OBE's and many people say that we have OBE every night while some say that Lucid Dreaming and OBE are two completely different Phenomena's. I really believe that Astral Projection is literally a gateway out of your body to different dimensions. There was this very helpful youtube video I came across recently about Astral Projection and how to have OBE's and Lucid Dreams. I recommend anyone interested in having OBE's or an Astral Projection to check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOaNw4RedOU

[Merro]

I have a question. When you leave your body does your body come back to you? Or how does that work? What if someones trying to wake you up if you are having a out of body experience? Would that cause a problem? Would you still be breathing? Ahh sorry.

[Astralization]

I have a question. When you leave your body does your body come back to you? Or how does that work? What if someones trying to wake you up if you are having a out of body experience? Would that cause a problem? Would you still be breathing? Ahh sorry. I have a question. When you leave your body does your body come back to you? Or how does that work? ]From what I understand, there is something called the 'silver cord' which keeps your physical and your non-physical body connected. So what your asking is if you leave your physical body through Astral Projection, can you return to your normal physical body? Yes you can. But, however this may be very very rare there is a chance that your silver cord may become cut off but from what I hear the silver cord is extremley strong and it would be rare. But if you die in your physical body somehow, you will remain in your Astral Body or Etheric Body. There is a lot to experiment with so I encourage others to do so. What if someones trying to wake you up if you are having a out of body experience? I am not sure what will happen if someone tries to wake you up, but I know that you are completley disconnected from your body and your awareness is focoused on your other body, your non-physical body. That is a good question, however I'm not so sure what the answer to it would be. I just started training for OBE's. Would that cause a problem? I believe that any negative energy can cause a problem in some way, but it is very rare that you will die in your OBE's or become possessed so you should not worry about that, just focus on the positive. I know that people who are starting OBE's tend to say away from violence and negative energy that may enter their subconscious which can affect your OBE. Just be positive, there is nothing to fear except fear itself. Would you still be breathing? Ahh sorry. Your physical body would still be breathing as it is on 'auto-pilot' if you will and it is completely under control. Your breathing is being done by your subconscious mind but your probably not aware of it during an OBE.

[Merro]

I have a question. When you leave your body does your body come back to you? Or how does that work? ]From what I understand, there is something called the 'silver cord' which keeps your physical and your non-physical body connected. So what your asking is if you leave your physical body through Astral Projection, can you return to your normal physical body? Yes you can. But, however this may be very very rare there is a chance that your silver cord may become cut off but from what I hear the silver cord is extremley strong and it would be rare. But if you die in your physical body somehow, you will remain in your Astral Body or Etheric Body. There is a lot to experiment with so I encourage others to do so. What if someones trying to wake you up if you are having a out of body experience? I am not sure what will happen if someone tries to wake you up, but I know that you are completley disconnected from your body and your awareness is focoused on your other body, your non-physical body. That is a good question, however I'm not so sure what the answer to it would be. I just started training for OBE's. Would that cause a problem? I believe that any negative energy can cause a problem in some way, but it is very rare that you will die in your OBE's or become possessed so you should not worry about that, just focus on the positive. I know that people who are starting OBE's tend to say away from violence and negative energy that may enter their subconscious which can affect your OBE. Just be positive, there is nothing to fear except fear itself. Would you still be breathing? Ahh sorry. Your physical body would still be breathing as it is on 'auto-pilot' if you will and it is completely under control. Your breathing is being done by your subconscious mind but your probably not aware of it during an OBE. I have one more question, How can you return to your physical body? Sorry for asking this. I find astral projection interesting. But there should be a rule for people. TRY IT AT YOUR OWN RISK! since since you've mentioned the stuff you told me.

[Astralization]

I know that when you are in your Astral or "Etheric" body, if you really want to leave your body you can just say in the "in the countdown of 5, I will return to my physical body" or something like that. I know that people can just return to their body at will. But remember one thing, Astral Time may be different than Earth time. For example, maybe an hour of astral projection could be days or weeks.. I have certainly heard of people who have had an Astral Projection that lasted several years. It is very confusing and there still needs to be some more work done on that, the community here at DreamViews could try experimenting with Astral Time. Anyway, getting back to your question.. you can leave your Astral body whenever you feel an urge to do so, some people immediately come back to their physical body because there is so much fear and negative energy that you come back to your physical body. Remember how I mentioned that Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection are very similar? Well, this is just a theory but maybe when someone is chasing you in a dream and you fall or something, then you return back to normal and wake up. I don't know, this needs a lot of experimenting and unfortunately there is not a section for Astral Projection which is the reason I created this ultimate AP thread. If you have any more questions, you should check out this ebook called "Astral Projection: 240 questions Answered" . There are two parts to it and here is the first part, I don't know where part two is but if I find it I will let you know. http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=ht...ions_Part1.pdf Here's something else I found, kind of long but a lot of information contained in here. http://voodoowhodo.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html And also, take a look at this, it's called Lucidology and it is probably one of the most helpful guides for beginners as I am a beginner myself and I watched their youtube videos and they helped me understand a lot about Astral Projection. Here's their website, and make sure to check out their youtube channel as it has a lot of useful, very useful videos. http://lucidology.com/101/4sleepCommands.php http://www.youtube.com/user/LucidDreamTricks

[Merro]

I know that when you are in your Astral or "Etheric" body, if you really want to leave your body you can just say in the "in the countdown of 5, I will return to my physical body" or something like that. I know that people can just return to their body at will. But remember one thing, Astral Time may be different than Earth time. For example, maybe an hour of astral projection could be days or weeks.. I have certainly heard of people who have had an Astral Projection that lasted several years. It is very confusing and there still needs to be some more work done on that, the community here at DreamViews could try experimenting with Astral Time. Anyway, getting back to your question.. you can leave your Astral body whenever you feel an urge to do so, some people immediately come back to their physical body because there is so much fear and negative energy that you come back to your physical body. Remember how I mentioned that Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection are very similar? Well, this is just a theory but maybe when someone is chasing you in a dream and you fall or something, then you return back to normal and wake up. I don't know, this needs a lot of experimenting and unfortunately there is not a section for Astral Projection which is the reason I created this ultimate AP thread. If you have any more questions, you should check out this ebook called "Astral Projection: 240 questions Answered" . There are two parts to it and here is the first part, I don't know where part two is but if I find it I will let you know. http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=ht...ions_Part1.pdf Here's something else I found, kind of long but a lot of information contained in here. http://voodoowhodo.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html And also, take a look at this, it's called Lucidology and it is probably one of the most helpful guides for beginners as I am a beginner myself and I watched their youtube videos and they helped me understand a lot about Astral Projection. Here's their website, and make sure to check out their youtube channel as it has a lot of useful, very useful videos. http://lucidology.com/101/4sleepCommands.php http://www.youtube.com/user/LucidDreamTricks Ok thanks.

[Specialis Sapientia]

I have a question. When you leave your body does your body come back to you? Or how does that work? ]From what I understand, there is something called the 'silver cord' which keeps your physical and your non-physical body connected. So what your asking is if you leave your physical body through Astral Projection, can you return to your normal physical body? Yes you can. But, however this may be very very rare there is a chance that your silver cord may become cut off but from what I hear the silver cord is extremley strong and it would be rare. But if you die in your physical body somehow, you will remain in your Astral Body or Etheric Body. There is a lot to experiment with so I encourage others to do so. This is misinformation. There is no silver cord, the idea of this silver cord comes from fear. To handle the fear one uses belief. Someone imagined a magical "silver cord" that would connect the body with the non-physical one, and then wrote it in a book many decades ago. So we have all these people reading this book, they then believe in it. What happens? They see a silver cord, but it is completely manifested out of their belief. This idea is also dependent the body being more fundamental than the non-physical one, it is not. The body is completely virtual, it is not about your body, only your consciousness. "It's not about the body; you are consciousness. That's what you are. Your consciousness is already out of your body. You don't need to get out of your body, you just need to get into your consciousness." - Thomas Campbell.

[TJuulsgaard]

I have to agree on this one... and Thomas Campbells theories are backed up by the writings of William Buhlmann and Robert Monroe. I myself have also come to believe that you don't actually leave your body, but you shift your consciousness. That doesn't make it any less epic, mystic or exiting - but a lot of the fear-issues can be set aside. You can still make contact with other worlds and entities. "It's not about the body; you are consciousness. That's what you are. Your consciousness is already out of your body. You don't need to get out of your body, you just need to get into your consciousness." - Thomas Campbell. @Astralization: I think that if you are really interested in OBE's you should consider buying some books about the subject. There are many, many unresearched, mixed up, dumbed down etc. etc links on the internet. Everyone consider themselves a guru on the internet (I'm also here trying to explain some other guys theories, and have few experiences but many beliefs on the subject). So read some books by some of the REAL pioneers and researchers on the subject. Some of the books I mentioned are great - and they are the root of the theories, not some guy trying to earn a few bucks (like the Newport-guy from lucidiology) @Skarr: According to all I've read there is not a chance that your actual physical body can be harmed while "out" of your body. There is only "fear" itself to fear - and too much fear will eventually prevent you from going anywhere.

[Astralization]

I have to agree on this one... and Thomas Campbells theories are backed up by the writings of William Buhlmann and Robert Monroe. I myself have also come to believe that you don't actually leave your body, but you shift your consciousness. That doesn't make it any less epic, mystic or exiting - but a lot of the fear-issues can be set aside. You can still make contact with other worlds and entities. @Astralization: I think that if you are really interested in OBE's you should consider buying some books about the subject. There are many, many unresearched, mixed up, dumbed down etc. etc links on the internet. Everyone consider themselves a guru on the internet (I'm also here trying to explain some other guys theories, and have few experiences but many beliefs on the subject). So read some books by some of the REAL pioneers and researchers on the subject. Some of the books I mentioned are great - and they are the root of the theories, not some guy trying to earn a few bucks (like the Newport-guy from lucidiology) @Skarr: According to all I've read there is not a chance that your actual physical body can be harmed while "out" of your body. There is only "fear" itself to fear - and too much fear will eventually prevent you from going anywhere. I agree with what you are saying, there is a lot to learn on this subject matter and quite frankly we can't be too sure if this is a shift of consciousness or an OBE.. but I am keeping my eyes and my mind open for any explanation. Robert Monroe has done a lot of work on trying to understand this concept and there are a lot of different ideas some of which contradict each other like the lucidology guy... i'm not too sure about him, his aim is to try to induce an OBE with little visualization. But yeah, thank you for directing me to some of those books you mentioned, I will have to take a look at all of them before I understand them. But speaking of consciousness, I hear that we have a lot of different types of "bodies" in a lot of different dimensions. But right now, I've just started reading up on this and I still have to look at some of the books that you showed me and some other books I found to be helpful. Check out this guy on youtube, his name is Rich2150x and he has a lot of videos about lucid dreaming and Astral Projection/Out of Body Experiences. We still need to experiment with this kind of stuff, so that's it for now. Rich2150x: http://www.youtube.com/user/Rich2150x

[TJuulsgaard]

Looking at some of the videos now... looks interesting... ...and don't worry I'll keep experimenting. Its all too exciting not to ; )

[1495]

I learned to lucid dream and astral project about 15 years ago. I can enter them from the meditative state or while sleeping. I don't find there to be much differance between the two, (dreaming and projecting) they blend and I can mix and match them. One thing that I did have to learn that realy helped me is that when you leve your body you are in a different demention. I can see the clock and wake up knowing what time it is, or discover things that I can verify but its not realy the same demention as earth. I'm new here and not sure how far I can go in certan directions but when you leave your body you don't have a brain and your physical senses are what help creat the world that you know. For example I probubly could never make a dceision while out of my body to go see a concert or somthing. I sapose that if I planed it before leaving I might get there but it wouldn't be the same as if I where there physical senses intact. I can't think the same way as I do while in my body. That being said I quite often have a hard time telling wether Im awake or out of my body/dreaming. This hapened more in the beginning but I alwasy feel like my self. I find it easier to watch my body fall asleep while I stay awake. Im still sometimes not quite sure when I open my eyes If Im awake or out of body at first but If I know my bodys sellping I know I can do somthing exciting anyway. Well enough rambling, your thoughts?

[jessie1203]

http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles...lp1_rbruce.htm This is a really cool article that I found... it has a lot of usefull info...

[TJuulsgaard]

Although I haven't had more than 3 OBE's I'm thinking pretty much the same as you, 1495. After reading some books like Thomas Campbell, and W. Buhlmann, and a few videos by that "excentric" Rich2150x from youtube that Astralized linked to in this thread, they only reaffirm me that it is consciuosness being shifted to another "dimension". Dreamworlds are made up of our own thoughts (Although sometimes people are able to meet in dreams and share the dream), when lucid in a dream we can change things the way we want to. In non-dreamworlds (by some called the Astral-planes...) we can't really change the scenery, because it is the result of many beliefsystems, or thoughts from other people (entities). There is also grey areas that are more or less thought-responsive. So what does this mean to our everyday physical life? I've read a couple of books about dreamyoga and always struggled with really believing the phrase "Everything is an illusion" - now I'm becoming more and more convinced that it really is true; We may very well be living an illusion. When we fall asleep and dream (either lucid or normal) we feel "as if" we are there - we are in another reality (thought-responsive or not). When we are experiencing an OBE we are in another reality. When we are in "real" physical life we are experiencing a shared virtual world, with a fixed ruleset, that makes it non-thought-responsive. But we are still experiencing some form of reality, just like the others. We aren't experiencing our true being in this "real life" it is a school of improving consciousnes.... (thats life for you!) This very short theory isn't something I've made up myself, but is a fragile conclusion after reading more than 6000 pages about OBE's and dreams during the last 2 years - and with a little self-experience thrown in for the sake of it... This seems to be more or less the way I see things at this moment. I'm sure that in my searching (reading/experiencing) I will probably either confirm my beliefs or see them being blown away by hard evidence

[TJuulsgaard]

http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles...lp1_rbruce.htm This is a really cool article that I found... it has a lot of usefull info... Just skipping through it, looks quite extensive, thanks!

[jessie1203]

Thanks for the response TJuulsgaard, there are a lot of resources out there about OBE's and many people say that we have OBE every night while some say that Lucid Dreaming and OBE are two completely different Phenomena's. I really believe that Astral Projection is literally a gateway out of your body to different dimensions. There was this very helpful youtube video I came across recently about Astral Projection and how to have OBE's and Lucid Dreams. I recommend anyone interested in having OBE's or an Astral Projection to check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOaNw4RedOU Oh wow... I had posted this video before and people went nuts!! They say its not true and the guy doesn't know anything about LD nor OBE... I don't exactly agree with these people, I'm just letting you know about this... There's a thread and everything... http://dreamviews.com/community/show...ght=lucidology In my opinion, the guy Does have some interesting Ideas, so take what you can use, i guess... this is just a heads up about this page before they start bombarding you about posting it here, like they did with me I personaly don't agree with the people who start judging other people's techniques... this is a very very vast topic, so they shouldn't focus so much on making other people look bad... but whatever, just FYI Just skipping through it, looks quite extensive, thanks! yeah it really is... and very, very interesting too!! and you can tell its been made with a lot a research... so its cool... On 'part 3' there are some really great techniques to achieve trance...

[TJuulsgaard]

I read the post you mentioned... and really don't want to be the judge on him. - But I hate that a good subject about AP should end up discussing some guys motives for posting. Its really not an issue in the subject were having in this thread. (But I also thought: OH NO! when I saw the link )

[jessie1203]

I read the post you mentioned... and really don't want to be the judge on him. - But I hate that a good subject about AP should end up discussing some guys motives for posting. Its really not an issue in the subject were having in this thread. (But I also thought: OH NO! when I saw the link ) LOL I know!, I completely agree with you... And I felt the same way when I saw that thread... its really dumb, they get really mad and everything!! geez!! Anyways, I really like this thread! It has some really great info... I heard the audio you posted before for William Buhlmann, and really enjoyed it!, thinking about getting one of his books... Thanks!

[bushi]

I had a non-lucid dream last night where I was explaining that Lucid Dreaming was invented by God to fool us people into thinking that there was an afterlife, and that NDE's are just an illusion and begin when we are dying, and end when we have finished dying. Just wish I had realised I was dreaming.........

[TJuulsgaard]

Thank "God" (or whatever...) that it was only a dream!

[jessie1203]

Thank "God" (or whatever...) that it was only a dream! LOL

[nepapak]

Hey guys, have any of you tried to do any experiments to see if there is a difference between APs and LDs? You know things like writting a word down on a piece of paper or placing a playing card somewhere and checking for it while inside an AP or anything similar? If you have, please post your results on this new thread http://www.dreamviews.com/f61/astral...6/#post1663333. We are trying to get all of the results people have from such experiments on a single thread so that we can all contribute and analize them. Totally sounds like an advertisment for Travian or PoketNinja or something , but I just wanted to let you guys know about the new thread. On topic: I am attempting APs by methods found in Robert Bruce's: Astral Dynamics. I still am not sure if I have made any successful projetcions(which is why I am doing the playing card experiment). The one method which I think works best for me so far is imagining you are walking around your room and touching everything. On wednesdey morning I got really close to a projection: I felt the vibrations getting strong inside my head and in my torso, but I just couldnt trigger the projection reflex. I tried using the rope technique to help complete the projection, but that technique doesnt really work for me, I guess I cant really Imagine climbing up a rope.

[WhatsReal]

No I can't find a difference between the two besides leaving your body I read astral dynamics also. Great book he really gives you an idea of what it is all about. After reading his book I tried AP for months with no results. I finally gave it a break and started trying to lucid dream because Robert Bruce claimed it was a good alternitive and it would keep interest high, well... While learning to wild a had my first obe. So I tell everyone that is trying to AP to just work on wilds and when the vibrations come imagine youself floating out and know that if your vibrating it will happen, you can't have ant doubt. Dont try too hard when you hit the vibrations just let them take over your body and surrender to the moment. You can't think yourself out you have to know your comming out.... The rope thing didn't work for me either.

[stprue]

I have a question. When you leave your body does your body come back to you? Or how does that work? What if someones trying to wake you up if you are having a out of body experience? Would that cause a problem? Would you still be breathing? Ahh sorry. 1) your consciousness goes back into your body. 2) At that time you are experiencing a mind awake body asleep situation. You would wake up....maybe not easily due to the deep trance. 3) Your breathing is unconscious muscle memory or something like that, so you will never stop breathing.