Thread: I am afraid to OBE cause I a christian.

I dont think anyones ever had anything bad happen during an obe. Besides when you dream your almost always out of your body. But you could pray before you do it if it makes you feel better. I think if you do see demons on the astral plane they would just be your imagination. Evil only exists in peoples heads not anywhere else. ( atleased i dont think so).

I have never heard of this being a problem. Also, there is a huge difference between what most people believe an OOBE is and what it really is. To actually physically leave the body is an OOBE. It is not something that you would just be imagining. Some believe that there is a possibility that if you leave you cannot come back. I would say not to worry about it, but I don't know that much about it except for what I have experienced.

The bible also says that men aren't supposed to trim their beards. Do you believe that one?

Besides, you are never truly safe, no matter what you do. I've never heard of anyone coming to any harm through lucid dreaming or attempting to OOBE.

Are you saying you're too much of a christian to explore your spirituality?


You have to ask yourself if you really believe having an OBE is wrong. Same goes for everything.

Once you've made that decision, the rest is easy. If you truly believe it is wrong, then IT IS!! For you anyway. Whatever your religion is.
If you truly believe it is wrong, then DON"T DO IT!!!

If you don't believe it is wrong, then talk to some of these fine people and see what happens. It's OK to be cautious.

If you don't know whether it is right or wrong then do some research or until you can make an informed decision. But deep down you should already know.

Remember plenty of people have OBE's without trying (due to pain or stress or meditation or near death). In MHO, I don't think these people are damned to hell as a result.

You could try lucid dreaming instead. It's the same thing really. And heaps of fun!

A similar thread like this, except about lucid dreaming and not OBE's, was made a while ago. While I do not believe in OBE's at this stage, I defintely think you should try it. Nothing bad has even been recorded happening from the people here that do think/have done it, you should do it. The Bible was written a long time ago, back when people thought demons and the like would sit on their bed at night (sleep paralysis, etc). Now we know that demons won't/can't enter your body, so there's nothing to be afraid of. Go try it, I say.

The following will make me feel better:

If someone who kept having obes, later in their life has an NDE do to a car crash or whatever and in their obe they went to heaven.

Can anyone gimi an instance like that? Or can you only find NDEs after OBEs that were in hell?

First let me say that I am still skeptical as to the validity of OOBE and AP.

I too am also a Christian. If you are a christian, then the holy spirit lives within you. He will allow no harm to come to you while you are on your OBE.

What is AP?

astral projection

Rest easy my Christian Conformist Compadre, nowhere in the bible is there passage containing, "Thou shalt not astral project lest ye lose ye body."

I am a Christian and pray for myself and my family daily. If I thought for one second that going out of body was in any way something that God did not want me to do, I would NOT do it. I look at astral projection as a gift from God.. something that God has blessed me with the ability to do.

People who practice astral projection are able to leave their bodies, but their souls remain connected to it by the "silver cord". The silver cord is like a "lifeline" for those who go oob.

The silver cord is even mentioned in the bible in Ecclesiates 12: 5-7
For man goes to his eternal home, And the mourners go about the streets. *Remember your Creator before the *silver cord* is loosed, Or the golden bowl is broken, Or the pitcher shattered at the fountain, Or the wheel broken at the well. *Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

The silver cord cannot be severed by either yourself nor by an external entity such as those found in the Astral Plane. But you can always ask for protection by stating that you are surrounded by pure white light prior to trying for an oobe.

The silver cord is severed automatically when your time in your body has reached its appointed end date determined by God.

I actually glimpsed my silver cord and did a posting of that experience in this forum.

The above are my personal beliefs and perhaps they can put your mind at ease.

PS.. Since Christianity is your concern, just remember to do nothing against those beliefs if and when you get out. :-)

why must anyone think that there is anything god does not want you to do? God will love you regardless of what you do, say or think. God does not judge things, saying X is bad or this is wrong. Guidosoft, why would go send his own creation to hell? There is nothing you can do that will displease god, like an OBE. However do not enter the OBE with a fearful attitude, and nothing fearful will happen to you. This is based just on my thoughts of an OBE because I've never had one... lol... anyways have an OBE just because other people can't!

leaving the body is more common than everyone thinks, in fact most of us do it and don't even know it....
there DOM's Dream and out of body sequences that we can enter very easily with doing lucid dream work, in fact one might say that astral projection is the highest level of lucidity, though it is a theory not a fact...
There are many people here who are lucid dreamers, Im sure you have had an astral projection episode at one time, it is not uncommon, and also we must consider that if consciosness resides in everyting, that is everyting around us in order for those things to even exist, how far fetched is it than to transport your consciosciousness into something else...or another location???
consciousness is beyond human measurmant, leading us to expslore it on our own,and it could even be, that our entire consciousness is the reason we are here..exist. Religion should not even be a factor here...becuase it matters on how open minded an idividual is and how willing we are to open up to these levels of consciousness, and as we do, we will find that there are layers upon layers...that reality is only a small piece of the whole.

When you leave your body, there is a very small chance that you will be tossed into lower planes. You can't be killed in a OOBE, if you are attacked you will be sent back to your body, maybe with minor side effects (headaches, or you might feel drained of energy). I say go ahead and try, if by some chance you find yourself in a lower realm, search for a light and fly to it.

In general, I would agree with the positive responses to this post. It's pretty unlikely that any real harm would befall the average Christian OBE'onaut as he (or she) travels about the astral plane.

However, our fears are seldom totally unfounded, and if you're sincerely afraid of possible demons, etc., then I would suggest you proceed with caution. Look to your faith to help you determine if / when you are ready to attempt AP.

Frankly, I wouldn't suggest trying the OBE until you are comfortable with your ability to face whatever might happen. It's one thing to have the experience occur due to outside factors, but it's another thing altogether to deliberately attempt to induce one.

The spirits can be fickle...

first of all when you obe you dont either go to heaven or hell, that sounds rediculous.

when you obe you can go tons of places, i guess its possible to go to heaven or hell in an obe? tho i havnt really heard much about that happening, but i suppose its possible .

robert bruce was talking about how he went to a place with lots of grass and flowers and people around, and that he felt a light presence in this place that he identified as the universal consciousness (which could have very well been god) so i guess that could be heaven maybe....but dont worry ive had tons of obes and nothing bad has happened, but that doesnt mean something bad wont happen, but dont be scared of it cause it cannot hurt you ... it is not like the physical planes where you can easily walk across the street and be hit by a car and die, you are pretty much safe when you obe

I have Experienced a feeling of "Drained Energy" but this was through "Automatic Writing". I would not imagine this could happen in a Lucid Dream though. (It's those Demonic Energy Suckers). !!! Though on reflection, too much Lucid Dreaming would Drain You Of Energy. ps. Where is Leo Volont when you need him ???.

kinda funny. i just came onto this section cause i wanted to see what it was about. don't really know anything about this stuff, but i do know a good bit about Christianity.
i do not believe God would throw you in hell for this.
1) i can't find anywhere in the body where it mentions dreaming things besides all the times that God has them dream things (Revalations is all a dream that God gave to,i think John, so he coudl write it nito the Bible to tell us of Revalations)
2) if you are a true Christian and accepted Jesus christ into your heart as lord and savior then you can not be thrown into hell. you are eternally saved. not meaning that you can do what ever you want but then again if you are a true chirstian, you wouldn't want to do whatever. therefor since you don't really know if its a sin, God will not throw you into hell. Then again if you do do it, and you hve a dream and God says not to, then if you do it he might. ubt i think your safe other wise.

wanted to add. i heard of someone doing a method invlovingh 5 piece of qurtz ect. like i said, i have no idea about OBE but that, sounds a bit more like witchcraft. in which case it would be a sin.

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wanted to add. i heard of someone doing a method invlovingh 5 piece of qurtz ect. like i said, i have no idea about OBE but that, sounds a bit more like witchcraft. in which case it would be a sin.[/b]

I suggest you get all the facts strait before leading to a conclsion of what obe's are..also what witchcraft is..perhaps some witchcraft is evil, however most of it is not, in fact it is more about the earth and the energy that surrounds us, one thing Ill never understand about people who are religious is that they are quick to make claims on subjects they know nothing about and damn people to hell for it being a sin, who are we to judge who is going to hell and who is not, what a true sin is and what is not, judgemants should be kept to ourselves, since after all we as humans never see the real whole,real truth,....

i guess its possible to go to heaven or hell in an obe?[/b]

if your'e christian, you'd know that the only way to heaven is through Jesus, so there'd be no road to heaven through OBE. AndI guess many people try to meet God in APs and OBEs, and claim to do so, but the Bible also says (for those of you who are christians) the only way to God is through Jesus.

yea lilacsky

christians, religious folk
I dont beleive in a god and if there is one i would not follow his cammands because i want the freedom to have my own beliefs what ever they would be so for a god figure or whateva saying that there is a hell and heaven in which people will be placed and dub'd the good and evil is a sick horrible and ignorant way to judge people. as everyone should know there is no good or evil peoples minds can be warped or demented which could be from numbers of things that may or may not have been in result of their own actions. people are forced into situations everyday where decisions are made that can be viewed as mistakes or a worse route and cut there live short without much of a chance left to turn back. souls are not limited to a end.

plobable thanks I like the way you think, yes I agree with ya...
also obe's have nothing to do with your religion...absolutetly nothing...
we all are idividuals here, if god wanted us all to follow him he would have made us the same religious folks..also why create something that can create something else if your goal is to have those first creations worship the creator, Im sure god's only wish was not for humans to only worship him and to not live life, yeah that means I eat meat on good friday, I have my own thoughts, my own beliefs I will not conform to a book that has long been outdated..times change its time humans do as well..

i think we were planted like seeds here by aliens long time ago before we were primates and we are engineered to do things beyond what we currently comprehend and swy your brain is like 75% unused they engineered that into us as like the safety measure... like a eletric collar that prevents your from passing into a plane of other realisation...whooo i liked saying that yea and we are scheduled for extermination in the like next ten years.. shortly after 2000 at least and it will start with our planet sort of falling apart and becoming more irrational with its climates from major plate shiftings and such if not that then a large asteroid or maybe just a sort of small one that jars our planet out of it's amazing balance like they could jsut destroy our moon and we would spin like crazy melting the polars making water level rise like crazy with new gravitation shit affecting the planet just lots of various ways leading to a dead frozen shot out into deep space exploded or something like that to kill our human race which was so far a utter failure of a expirament so far since they have tried it several times before i would guess.


Credit: national geographic channel for moon info and discovery channel for brain info aliens.... thats just common sense and some other shit