The Path of Iapetos

I have listened to the gateway experience for so many time so I remember every single word that he say.
So I can actually lay still with closed eyes for 40 minutes without much effort.

I am not saying this to brag, I am just trying to bust the most motivating myth of all when it comes to lucid dreaming.

[B]Is it possible to lucid dream without prior non-aware sleep?[/B]

I think I am near an answer, because on the last days attempts I have kept laying still after those 40 minutes, but I usually give up 20 minutes after that. So in summary one hour! Around that time I am still aware of my body, but I have seen some blue light pattern behind my closed eyelids, so something is happening.

Anyway if I just can endure 30 minutes more I have been laying still for 1 hour and 30 minutes which is about when in theory the first REM-cycle should start. Don't ask me how I maintain awareness because I honestly don't know.
The downside with this experiment is that if you give up, you will not be able to fall asleep again... :roll:
And... that while doing this time feels soooo slow. So you have to just lay there and think:
"If I move I will not only fail and get frustrated I will also not be able to fall asleep! So I have to endure".

This is torture guys but I have to find the truth about this myth and not to mention it's always nice with a lucid dream :shadewink:

I'll tell you the result tomorrow. Wish me good luck!

Ps. Let's just hope that my REM cycle doesn't start 120 minutes in... But in that case I'll just have to wait some more. :shock:

When Robert Monroe designed his WAVE CD:s he wanted to let the people learn by their own sensations and instincts so they could learn to naturally expand their consciousness to higher energy systems.

The majority of people who have been using the Gateway experience, including me, started using it to learn to get OOBES.
And to do so I thought I just needed to lay there listen to the tapes and the rest would take care of itself.
Oh boy how stupid can on man be?

I read the Frequent Asked Questions Section and found this:

Q: I’m currently working with the Discovery album. What if I can’t get out of my body on tape
#5 („Exploration, Sleep”)? Should I continue with tape #5 until I do, or after a reasonable time
move on to the next tape?

A: Not everyone will have a conscious out-of-body experience
(OBE). It takes a lot of practice for most, and , many of us have hidden fears that hold us back.
Also, if you try too hard for an OBE, the intense effort can become the very distraction that
holds you back. Be nonchalant about OBEs. They are just a small part of our program of
personal exploration and learning to expand consciousness. As long as you’re thoroughly
familiar with tape #5, by all means go on to the next tape.

So I realize now that OOBE is just a bonus and not as great as the true purpose of the gateway experience is.
"if you try too hard for an OBE, the intense effort can become the very distraction that holds you back."
which is exactly what I have been doing.

So now I did one attempt where I didn't aimed for an OOBE or any sensations of the sort, and instead of just laying there and listen I daydreamed at the same time. When he said go to your Energy Conversion box, instead of thinking about what I wanted to put in it and some dull imagination of me closing it, I imagined that I was standing in a Mayan temple and let my subconscious fill in the rest. I started thinking about a pirate chest and voila that worked as my new conversion box, and I continued to be active in my non-physical space this way and I managed to stay aware through the whole CD which is about 40 minutes, without moving and without the annoying swallowing reflex or coughing.
AND my body was completely numb when I tried to get out of bed, so this was Focus 10: Mind Awake Body Asleep.

I am going to use my DreamJournal as a place to write about my future attempts.

Now I am moving on to the Advanced Focus 10 CD.

I hope this was helpful for Gateway Experience users :)

[COLOR="royalblue"]Non-Aware (Dream)[/COLOR] - [COLOR="blue"]Partially Aware (Lucid Dream)[/COLOR] - [COLOR="navy"]Fully Aware and Vivid (Astral Projection(OOBE)[/COLOR]

The following experience occurred between these two times: 05:13 - 07:57

It's not a very interesting dream although it was very long and it didn't felt like a time delusion.

04:43 I started listening to the next CD of Robert Monroe's WAVES (Guided OOBE Meditation).
I listened to the "The Gateway Experience - Wave II- 1 - Introduction to Focus 10" for about 30 minutes (the whole track), then I put the headphones off and felt vibrations. I looked at the time, it was now 05:13. [COLOR="royalblue"]I closed my eyes and heard my parents singing the birthday song and[/COLOR] [COLOR="blue"]realized it was a dream.

I started opening some presents although I was not very interested in them since I knew I wouldn't be able to keep them. "I wonder how old I am and what year it is supposed to be in this dream". I hear knocking on my door from downstairs. So I grab my bathrobe and get downstairs and open the door. I expected some classmates, but when I open the door I see to my surprise that it is my childhood friend Johanna. There is two guys as well, one redheaded guy give me a present, and the other guy doesn't seem to want to talk to me. I think he was her boyfriend, although I don't have a problem with that, but he seemed to think I would have.

Then they walked away and I ask my mom if the readheaded guy was Johanna's little brother Philip, because I haven't seen him in a while. My mom said "No I don't think so since he is in prison Karin (Johanna's mother) might know, but don't ask her it might be sensitive. I got a little surprised, because it was definitely not what I have expected to dream and I got a little strange feeling. I told the people in the room that it was a dream and of course they looked a little funny at me.
I said "It's true. Come here count my fingers on my right hand." I looked on the hand and see five fingers and one extra finger dangling like a dead finger between my ring and middle finger. "Six!" I hear Karin say. Exactly and her is another test "the nose plug". I explained to them how it worked and demonstrated it with my nose. Although it didn't seemed to work for them. So they were not convinced. I thought about my sleeping body while doing the nose plug, although I didn't woke up or anything.

Instead I asked myself "Why am I trying to convince them? Let's do something fun. Hmm let's fly!" I get out of my living room and out to the garden. I took pace and ran and jumped up in the air and levitated. I couldn't control the flying like superman or Ironman, instead I started swimming. I then lost control of the flying and fell down on the ground with a damp. Some people saw me fall and laughed, I probably looked ridiculous. [/COLOR]

[COLOR="blue"]I wake up and look at my Iphone and see this: XlphTx¤Pnv" I understand that it is a false awakening.
The dream environment changes and I get semi-lucid although still very aware. I am standing in a library with my friends and I get the strange feeling again. It doesn't feel like this is the present, I must be in the future and I am here for a reason. I start explaining to my friends that I am dreaming. "I am dreaming, but your not you see I have an important message for you". After much nagging I manage to get them to follow me. We walk through the library, but my friend Jessica get stopped her named have changed and she had forgot to turn in a book or something.

When we got out from the library I am standing in a skate park. My friend went to some other people there and I try to explain to them that we are in a hurry. My friend Eric starts to get annoyed of me (who wouldn't) and we start nagging again. I convinced them that it was something out of the ordinary by levitating right before their eyes.
Me, my friends and some other people they dragged with them walk into a big building that was near the skate park.
We took the stairs up and then down again and we were now on some beach.

The whole group was now very annoyed of me and asked where I was taking them. I thought to myself that it's better if they don't know and said "You just have to trust me I am not from this time I need to take you to an important school where you can learn what I know now". "I can prove that I am more than what you think.". I pointed on Eric and some random girl and told them to try to break my fingers, they hesitated at first but then they tried. "Impossible" I told them with a smile, "And even if you do it wouldn't matter since I am just dreaming so it wouldn't hurt". Not convinced but surprised they look at me with big eyes :shock:. Suddenly a door opens and a man with an execution mask and a machine gun storm out and start shooting me. My friends look in fear as I die.

I am back in my bed, this was either a DEILD or a False Awakening. But in either case I chained the dream and get back to the beach. I walk past my dead body and as a reincarnated messiah I tell me friends "Hello I am back".
Again their eyes looks like this :shock:. Some are still skeptical and I start to get really annoyed of them and asked myself why I am wasting my time of trying to convincing them that I can fly or that I am dreaming. But somehow I felt that it was important.

I did one more attempt of flying and I succeeded! I start kicking with my legs in the air and gained speed, then I look down and I couldn't see the ground so I got a little scared and got down again. Of course no one saw it... Except my best friend David, so now at least he believed me. We went into another house and was greeted welcome by the couple who owned the house. There was a lot of food and David came to me and said "I believe you and I paid for the dinner". I hugged him with gratitude.

Now when all were gathered I thought it was a good time to explain somethings.
"I was afraid that you would react this way. I understand how you feel. Think of me, I have went through the same feelings for two and a half year. If I got all the information in just one day I wouldn't believe it either I realize that now.
Just try to be a little open minded, because today we might be sitting here eating at a table, but someday we will be standing on the top of Mount Everest. Yes you will learn to fly."

Some were still frustrated of my behavior, but most of the people still just looked weird at me.
The couple said "Do you mind explaining what you are talking about?".
And I told them about the school I first planned to take them to, but I realized that they were not ready for such a big change of belief and I had given them too much information at the same time.

I said that I had to go and that would be last trick for now, until my return. You are here, but I am just dreaming which means that only my awareness is here so when I wake up I will disappear. If your with me I will vanish before your very eyes.

I hugged everyone good bye, even those I didn't know. Then I went into another room looked at a door and thought with confidence "Wake up". And surprisingly enough, I woke up. The time was now 07:57[/COLOR]

[COLOR="royalblue"]Non-Aware (Dream)[/COLOR] - [COLOR="blue"]Partially Aware (Lucid Dream)[/COLOR] - [COLOR="navy"]Fully Aware and Vivid (Astral Projection(OOBE)[/COLOR]


This will be my first journal entry. Ironically enough I got my most vivid lucid ever, my own personal belief is in the way and I am questioning if this might not have been dream at all, but actually something bigger like an ... astral projection.

After writing a reply in a thread here on dreamviews I got back to bed and listened to Robert Monroe's - Gateway Experience Wave I - Discovery 1. It was a good attempt and I got to the Focus 3 (Full Relaxation Stage).

Then I put my headphones of and fell asleep.

00:13 - 02:48

[COLOR="royalblue"]I were in a bar with two friends. My friends tried to tell the other in the bar that I had the power of flight but of course no one believed them. They asked me to demonstrate so I took pace and jumped up in the air but I was only able to keep flying if I did a dive in the air. Almost like in the Dolphin Olympics game. Then I tried to maintain the control of the flying with no success.

Then I woke up. I looked at my hands I was awake (NOT) and I started write down what I had dreamt. When I was finished I tried to get back to sleep. I felt strong vibrations and wondered what the hell that was going on. I started to think about witches for some reason and I thought to myself "No brain don't think about scary things now when I am about to lucid dream... Ah well I guess there is nothing I can do about it". Then I see really see images appear in front of my eyes.
I remember seeing a skull in a circle and some other black and white shapes, I observed with excitement. Then I start to see completely physical real, more real than any dream or hallucination I've ever had, Pokemons!
I saw charmander and some green fella I can't remember the name of and there was some strange foggy blue background around them, I was amazed of how real they were, really amazed because I have never witnessed anything that was that vivid in my four years of practice![/COLOR] [COLOR="navy"]Then I notice that I am holding a gameboy advance in my hands and in my physical life I have thrown that away years ago, so this just can't be real or the physical. But I never told myself that I was dreaming, because this didn't feel like my lucid dreams usually feel, this felt REAL! I felt like I was standing in a separate physical reality, it felt like in the physical it was only a weird environment, but I was aware of all my memories and all my actions. I looked out through my window and see weird vehicles and people although the street looked kind of like it does in physical reality. I thought to myself "Ok if this is a dream I will be able to control it like I usually do, by my expectations." I thought of something weird and sexy just to test if the sex drive was controllable in this experience. I imagined Jessica Alba and Britney Spears waiting for me naked when I opened my door. To my disappointment nothing appeared except my usual living room, although with one change there was one extra room and a closed door leading to it. I went into my sleeping mom just to see how she would look like and what would happen.
She looked the same except one thing, she had weird warts all over her face. I got a little chocked and said "Ehum good night mum.". Then I went into the extra room and saw a girl sleeping there and for some reason got a little attracted, but I remembered that that is usually a bad thing in lucid dreams, so whatever this experience I now had was, I should resist it. She was laying on her side with her back against where I was standing, so when I came in she turned over and well she didn't looked fully human. It's hard to describe it was not alien or animal like it was just a different looking human without looking human. She still looked good though, especially for being another race.
I thought about Monroe's book where he got helped by people in the astral, so I asked her "Where can I find people from the physical world?" and she said with a pity face "They don't dare to come here".
Surprised of that answer I thought about the chapter in Monroe's book where he mentioned that he took over another persons body in the astral, almost like a possession. So I was afraid that I might have done the same thing, so I asked her "Do you know who I am? Who am I?" and she said with a smile "Of course, you are ....." I want my name to be a secret for a while.. but she said the right name. Relieved but surprised I leaved the room and went to my stairs. I saw about twenty rings with different symbols on them, some of them that I actually remember. Amazed over my physical memory I thought about the Crop-Circles documentary that I saw some month ago where they talked about advanced symbols that seemed impossible for a man to draw especially on a big crop-circle. But I tried to look for more complicated symbols but I found none. I went to my kitchen and saw my dad, stressful as always so I didn't stay for long. I decided to go out of my house, when I opened the front door a man greeted me and walked inside, "probably a friend of my father" I thought.
I looked up into the night sky and saw a bunch of white circles, almost like small moons, spreading all over the heaven forming a globe around the earth. I noticed that I could see a black silhouette from different angles in each globe and as I moved I realized that the silhouette was me! It was incredible because the silhouettes was synchronized with my every move no matter what movement I did. I waved with my arms, jumped around and it still maintained the synchronization. I thought about Monroe's book again and wondered in what Locale I was in. I asked to myself "What would happen if I fly and accelerated through space and what will I see?" I tried to fly straight up, but only managed to levitate for a bit...
I thought of asking someone and I saw two kids, I asked them "Do you know how to fly?" they said that they only knew how to start levitating but not continue flying, so I was in the same flying level as a kid. Although I asked the grown ups but they didn't knew either and they seemed busy to get to work. I wondered where I was, stupid enough I forgot to ask. I then felt a black space fading into me and then I was laying in bed and I did a ton of reality checks to make sure I truly was awake. [/COLOR]