Geometric Night Terrors @ Fever Dreams

[The Cusp]

Time to make an official intro for this thread, as it didn't start off coherently after the split. I've named this type of dream the Timaes, after a play written by Plato "The young Timaeus, stricken by fever, discovers the platonic solids and elementals in a fantastical journey." The common elements for these type of dream are as follows: -Occur with some frequency throughout early childhood, through natural dreaming or are fever induced. They usually come back briefly in your teens. -Leave you terrified upon waking, and it still gives you goosebumps to this day just to think about it. Wake with cold sweats, much like a fever. -There is a feeling of awfull SLOWNESS, which is just horrifing. Feels like you soul being ripped out, or just sheer insanity. -There are gometric shapes present, possibly the platonic solids. **SPLIT THREAD*** I've had several dreams that I can't describe, they are just too "alien". Dreams where I'm aware of energy, moving, interacting with it or manipulating it. There is no up or down, no distance, yet it's still a coherent frame of existance. I think these ones stem from learning to remember dreams, and being able to latch on to that lingering feeling a dream leaves when you wake up, and follow it back to rember. And other ones, i can't even begin to describe, there were shapes, I'm pretty sure they were the platonic solids. There was either a deafening vibrational noise or a thundering silence, and a feeling of movement, but so agonizingly slow. The slowness was awful, felt like your soul being ripped out.

[Burns]

And other ones, i can't even begin to describe, there were shapes, I'm pretty sure they were the platonic solids. There was either a deafening vibrational noise or a thundering silence, and a feeling of movement, but so agonizingly slow. The slowness was awful, felt like your soul being ripped out.[/b] Wow - I've never been able to put you're describing into words, but you just did! I know exactly what you are talking about. I used to have these quite frequently when I was younger, and especially when I was really sick with the flu or something. I wonder if there's a name for this...

[cachero]

Wow - I've never been able to put you're describing into words, but you just did! I know exactly what you are talking about. I used to have these quite frequently when I was younger, and especially when I was really sick with the flu or something. I wonder if there's a name for this... [/b] I know that exact feeling also, and it too always came with fevers for me. Just a disgusting gut wrenching feeling that cannot be described.

[Howie]

Wow - I've never been able to put you're describing into words, but you just did! I know exactly what you are talking about. I used to have these quite frequently when I was younger, and especially when I was really sick with the flu or something. I wonder if there's a name for this... [/b] A fever.

[Burns]

A fever.[/b] No, not the pyrexia - I meant an actual name for that particular sensory hallucination with the slow-moving solids.

[Universal Mind]

I've had several dreams that I can't describe, they are just too "alien". Dreams where I'm aware of energy, moving, interacting with it or manipulating it. There is no up or down, no distance, yet it's still a coherent frame of existance. I think these ones stem from learning to remember dreams, and being able to latch on to that lingering feeling a dream leaves when you wake up, and follow it back to rember. And other ones, i can't even begin to describe, there were shapes, I'm pretty sure they were the platonic solids. There was either a deafening vibrational noise or a thundering silence, and a feeling of movement, but so agonizingly slow. The slowness was awful, felt like your soul being ripped out. [/b] I am so glad you said that. What you described is just like a DMT trip, from what I have researched. Your post is further evidence of my theory that taking DMT is unnecessary if you master lucid dreaming. In fact, DMT is a natural neurotransmitter that is theorized to be involved in bizarre dreams like that. I know the type of dream you are talking about, and one of my goals is to be able to create them at will.

[bleemedina]

weird i can relate my dreams, i have been having recently having, as like a dmt trip;however, not like what everyone else here is describing. i have been having dreams of me floating through these infinite rooms. these rooms form around a circle center, which is hollow, more like a hollow pole. these formations has infinite floors and no sense of direction. whenever i enter a room, which is a perfect square, i observe the rooms wallpaper. the wallpaper are geometric patters. the patterns look like they are no moving, but i know they are moving. if i stare into a room for a while i find my self floating through a endless part in space. i am never trapped in this because i always am able to leave the room. All of the rooms are like this, but with different colors and voids. however there is one room among the infinite of rooms that has an circle in the floor, note the room still has the weird wallpaper and same size. when i floated over this circle a beam of light appears, and this light propels me up. next thing i know i am in another square shape room, but this time the room has no corners nor edges, everything kinda flowed into each other. the wallpaper was way more complex, which is hard to describe. when i leave the room i notice that i was in a higher plane I'm guessing. i guessed this because i see infinite rooms again with the rooms forming around a circle centerpiece again, with endless floors. however this time there where people/souls/spirits roaming around. i could interact with them and talk to them. sad part i really do not remember the conversations with them, plus we talked but with our minds. before i woke up i walked into this room that everyone was going to and leaving from. i entered this room to notice it had no patterns or it did? but i was focused on a statue that was covered with a sheet. i was not afraid to find out the truth of what was under the sheet so i took it off. when the sheet was off i was observing a goblin/elf like statue. it grabbed me and tried pulling me into its mouth. i got loose and got out of the room, only to find out i can not leave the room this time. i accept the fact i could not leave and stayed. the goblin/elf noticed i was not ready to go into his mouth, which now in retrospect it was another higher plane of existence. i stayed in the room with other beings, human like, i saw a loading screen which was at like 25-30% completed. now this being was on a device looking all about me and was impressed on my achievements. i still wounder what achievements, like life ACHIEVEMENTS? but i didn't have all the requirements i needed, but for what? i am guessing the loading screen was stuck since i did not finish my accomplishments. from here everything when into a blur and i woke up. anyone else has had this dream or anything similar? each time i enter this dream. i learn more and more, and i become more aware

[The Cusp]

Do you guys know how many years I've been combing the internet trying to find someone who has had that dream? Seriously I thought I posted in the reocurring dreams topic here years ago, but got no response. Couldnt find it still arount, so might have been somewhere else. Took me a long time to even put together the meager description I gave of it above. Here is what I magaged to post in my dream journal: I have no idea where I am, and am too freaked out to even wonder. I dont think I have a body, because there doesnt seem to be anywhere for my body to be. There is a constant, terrible, overwhelming sound. Or perhaps it is the roar of a deafening silence. Maybe it's a vibration? Whatever the case, it is completely overwhelming. There are shapes. Very distinct geometric shapes. 5 of them I think,They are different colors, but i wouldnt say they were solid. And they were absolutely horrifying. But the worst thing was that they moved, or SOMETHING was moving, agonizingly slow. It was almost like sleep paralisis, only it was slowness. Now it may have been slow, but it was so powerfull, so relentless, it seemed to tear at my sanity. I always wake up from this terrified, drenched in sweat, with the worst cold chills and goosemumps the size of Everest. I also had this dream often as a child, then once as a teen. And now that you mention it Cachero, I would wake up feverish. A good way of putting it. Before now the closest thing I could find to that dream was terrible slowness described by people who got frozen during the Manhattan project. The sound or silence may be similar to the buzz I've heard people mention before OBE, not sure on that one. There is no name yet for that dream unless we come up with one. I've researched that hardcore for many years, and haven't turned up anything at all. At best I've found snippets that seem to describe some aspect of that dream. I'll try to find them later, I'm looking now, but my notes are a total mess. But can any of you guys confirm the Platonic Solids as the shapes? I'm not a hundered percent sure on that, just came across them one day and they gave me that creepy feeling again. Actually that's what got me interested in lucid dreaming. I figured i could go back there and see what it really is. But in truth I think I'm too afraid to do it. Sure it sounds interesting in theory, but really, why would anyone want to go there? It's just too freaking horrible, you know what I mean?

[Amidreaming?]

But can any of you guys confirm the Platonic Solids as the shapes?[/b] I used to have a Recurring dream just like these accept there wern't any distinct shapes. it actually involved old people

[neville]

I remember my younger cousin in city had them alot; it wasn't until he began coming to see me in the country that he was first able to spend nights away from home. I've had similar phenomenon as a child, sometimes while waking up from sleepwalking, and once with a fever of 108. The geometric aspect never was overly present until just recently when something alike happened to me while awake. I was only 2 houses down my street from home; I and two friends were in a bathroom smoking bucket's of tobacco and weed. I blew smoke out the window and leaned against to wall making eye contact with myself in the mirror. Slowly the world faded away in a manner that makes me think of what it is like to faint. I had been meditating with great concentration on very personal topics and I am sure that was the trigger as I have used these substances many times and am familiar enough. What set this apart from other times is that I stayed lucid as it happened, I remembered were my body was and decided not to collapse (all human perception had vanished). My friends were talking; and I could understand, yet there was no sensation of receiving sound. I could only see my surroundings with the kind of vision Neo had in the matrix after his ascension; pure information. I watched the same colours I see when I close my eyes ATM in conjuction with notions of things like infinit/e/smal time spans and distances I distinctly remember seeing almost organic mandala's and even a fibonnaci spiral. Slowly humanity returned as we moved into the next room, It was the meaning of his words when he asked us to come that triggered me to return. I sat on a bed and he pulled out a base guitar and began soloing. My mind was spilling out intricate freestyle verses until he stopped at which time there was a very strong drilling sensation in my crown chakra, ending the whole scenario. At the time I had been researching the solids; did you know that a teterahedron resting in a sphere with one vertice considered "up", will have the other 3 @ 19.47 degrees below the equator? This is were hawaii is found on earth (I also think that synchronising a geodisic dome to the great pyramid will have many vertice at well known sacred sites, but you might have to check that out). Whatever occured in Roswell happened in 1947, and the pathfinder mission to mars landed there as well, red eye of jupiter, olympus mons, wizards eye. Even the maximum solar flare output. I saw mars moving across the sky last saturday in my friends telescope

[canterbury]

These striking similarities in all our geometric dreams must come from the fact that we share the same brain make-up. Have you read about the giant hexagon they found in the north pole of saturn? it is the width of two earths, and has been looked at for over 30 years by NASA.. What I mean to say is, that these geometric shapes are totally natural, and even though they seem alien and weird in dreams, they are probably more of a natural formation of our universe than I thought, ie: a snowflake pattern. Check out this link, which must be without doubt the biggest hexagon in our solar system! http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...aturn_hex.html

[neville]

You might Google Richard Hoagland if your inderested; Saturn's moon Iapetus looks like the death star from star wars, he talks alot about a sphinx and surrounding pyramids. Mercury has hexagonal craters (as does iapetus), and the synodic periods of Venus map out a pentacle @ leap years in relation to earth. The geomettric centers of all the landmasses are marked my massive mountain ranges in 120 degree arcs. At coordinates cooresponding to light speed(if I remember correctly), considered north of a geodisic dome of ley lines to sacred sites,also at the general center of all landmass. It is aligned to true north, and the sides are even concave in a way that may possibly show the curvature of earth. Assuming it is a model of the planet (and the other greats aspects of others; mercury venus and mars) many have looked for(and claimed to find) mathmatical constants, such as the AU, gravity, and even a time scale marking major events throughout history. Since it's just blocks in a desert you can run away with your lucidity and imagine all the ways they could have built it, although there is really only one simplest, yet they likely made mistakes and covered them up leaving a spiffy pyramid. The subterranean chamber; once thought to be unfinished has been shown on a model scale to be useable in the form of a ram pump. In fact the simplest construction theory I've yet heard involved Hydraulic water llifts. Joe Parr has been doing alot of research into how shape interacts with our astrological environment. I research alot of this while between plans i've made, and could really continue, the visualization can very possibly help overcome night terrors. If you have questions or want more rambling I'd be delighted.

[Invader]

Alright, after having gone through each page of the thread and over every post, there is something I need to know. These shapes, while in a nightmare, what attributes would you give them? Do they move purposefully, as if driven by some unfathomable, terrible will? I want to apply the word 'conscious' here, but I don't think it applies the way I'd like it to. The things, these shapes, entities, whatever they are, possess some kind of being that is not entirely unconscious, but not conscious in the way we are. I am developing a theory on the nature of these things at the moment and would like further input from those who have experienced either these shapes OR any other monolithic thing that has made itself present for some reason paramount to the manifestation of a super-potent nightmare.

[tetekoe]

I'm about halfway through reading all the responses. I wouldn't have made it this far if I hadn't heard of this thing, almost identically before. One of my best friends had what sounds like this exact experience while smoking the Salvia plant. He described it as complete blackness, with bluish geometric shapes going out of view, then coming back into view in a circle, and turned around again and again, very slowly by a big wagon wheel turning very slowly. The wagon wheel spun painstakingly slowly and was painful to watch and experience and comprehend. The shapes would collide with him and rip parts of his soul out, then go in the circle and collide with him again and rip more of his soul out each time. Not exactly a dream, per se, but it seemed too similar to these dreams to omit.

[Burns]

So no one knows if there is a name for this? I haven't had one of these dreams in a long time, but I'm still really interested to find out more. I thought it was just some weird hallucination I was having during a fever or something.

[Universal Mind]

The Cusp, check this out and see if it sounds like what you experienced... http://fusionanomaly.net/dmt.html Remember that DMT is a natural neurotransmitter that is theorized to be involved in bizarre dreams.

[The Cusp]

Yeha, I know all about DMT, and the common visuals shared by various drug users. havent actually tried it, but I've read quite a bit about it. Plus my uncle described it for me when he tried it at Gerry Garcias funeral in San Francisco. Sounds similar but I can't say for sure. I'd really like to hear if Burns and Cachero remember is the shapes in those dreams were the platonic solids (Just do a quick wipipedia search if you don't know what they are.)

[Burns]

I'd really like to hear if Burns and Cachero remember is the shapes in those dreams were the platonic solids (Just do a quick wipipedia search if you don't know what they are.)[/b] I searched the platonic solids, but I think mine was a wheel shape - not a sphere - but a wheel. I remember being sick in bed, or on the couch, with the flu. And I'd close my eyes and see total blackness. Then the wheel would appear - it was moving agonizingly slow, so slow I wanted to vomit. It's so hard to describe the feeling. Everything was silent - deafeningly silent and slow. But the wheel turned and moved toward my vision, growing larger, and the larger it got, the sicker I felt. I wanted it to stop but everytime I closed my eyes, the whole thing would start over again, making me sicker and sicker, and dizzy - like spinning, like laying facedown on the rocking floor of a pitching shipdeck. I remember trying to stay awake and trying not to close my eyes to avoid that godawful feeling. Then the vision would creep at the corners of my vision and overtake my senses, going through another cycle. I don't know if that's anything like what you guys have experienced, but that's the best i could put it into words. There's really no way to describe it. I think The Cusp explained the horror of it well.

[tammha]

This. So much this. I searched the platonic solids, but I think mine was a wheel shape - not a sphere - but a wheel. I remember being sick in bed, or on the couch, with the flu. And I'd close my eyes and see total blackness. Then the wheel would appear - it was moving agonizingly slow, so slow I wanted to vomit. It's so hard to describe the feeling. Everything was silent - deafeningly silent and slow. But the wheel turned and moved toward my vision, growing larger, and the larger it got, the sicker I felt. I wanted it to stop but everytime I closed my eyes, the whole thing would start over again, making me sicker and sicker, and dizzy - like spinning, like laying facedown on the rocking floor of a pitching shipdeck. I remember trying to stay awake and trying not to close my eyes to avoid that godawful feeling. Then the vision would creep at the corners of my vision and overtake my senses, going through another cycle. I don't know if that's anything like what you guys have experienced, but that's the best i could put it into words. There's really no way to describe it. I think The Cusp explained the horror of it well.

[Universal Mind]

Plus my uncle described it for me when he tried it at Gerry Garcias funeral in San Francisco. [/b] Your uncle did DMT when he was AT Jerry Garcia's funeral? Excellent! Did anybody talk to Jerry?

[The Cusp]

Thanks for that desctiption Burns. I wasn't sure on the platonic solids thing, was just a shot in the dark. All I can say for sure is it was a geometric shape(s), and I suppose a wheel would fall into that category. But when you say a wheel, do you mean a wheel with spokes? Becose the Platonic Solids are the simplest shapes that fit inside of a sphere, and viewed inside a sphere like that, they could look like a wheel. Last time I had that dream, I had mentioned to my parents how I had often. My father said he had reocurring dreams like that as a child as well, but he said he always thought of them as Carrots. Yep, Carrots. That's all I could get out of him and it wasn't much help. We should restart this thread in the reoccuring dreams section. Might find more people who've had it who might otherwise shun this section of the forum.

[Burns]

Thanks for that desctiption Burns. I wasn't sure on the platonic solids thing, was just a shot in the dark. All I can say for sure is it was a geometric shape(s), and I suppose a wheel would fall into that category. But when you say a wheel, do you mean a wheel with spokes? Becose the Platonic Solids are the simplest shapes that fit inside of a sphere, and viewed inside a sphere like that, they could look like a wheel. [/b] No, it wasn't a wheel with spokes - it was more like a cheese wheel. Last time I had that dream, I had mentioned to my parents how I had often. My father said he had reocurring dreams like that as a child as well, but he said he always thought of them as Carrots. Yep, Carrots. That's all I could get out of him and it wasn't much help.[/b] Haha, a carrot... that's pretty funny, actually We should restart this thread in the reoccuring dreams section. Might find more people who've had it who might otherwise shun this section of the forum.[/b] Done! I've put a link in the other thread to direct to this one (so no one thinks those posts were just deleted )

[FluBB]

so you guys that have expericenced this dream thing were not attempting to do a wild at all? i guess not when you were young and didnt know, but did you try to stay awake conciously.. or are you awake?

[Burns]

so you guys that have expericenced this dream thing were not attempting to do a wild at all? i guess not when you were young and didnt know, but did you try to stay awake conciously.. or are you awake?[/b] No, I was awake the whole time - they were almost like hallucinations (as much as I can imagine a hallucination would be like since I've never experienced one other than this before). It would happen when I closed my eyes - but I wasn't asleep. Difficult to explain.

[The Cusp]

Well Flubb, that dream is what sparked my interest in dreaming, and when I learned about Lucid Dreaming, i started it with the intent to go back to that dream and check it out. I just never have. I'm usually too busy kicking the crap out of whatever it was that made me lucid. You have to realize just how scary (not really scary, just... awful) this dream is though. WHile it's interesting intelectually to think about, I dont really want to go back there. Like thinking about cutting your arm off. You can imagine doing it, but you wouldnt really want to.