Brilliant! Thank you fogelbise - again really encouraging to have a thread I continue to feed into as well as others to contribute!

As for the WBTBs, actually yea, my main timings with the practice of them over the last few years has been after 4.5 hrs to give plenty of chance for the rest of the night to follow. Often Patjunfa and I might meet on a WBTB so the timing usually works out as an hours to and hour & half of activity before going to sleep again. When the drift back takes longer it often amounts in my wakefulness being 1.5 - 2 hrs (though I'd say 1.5 on average). Usually if it's a solo one I'll just wake for an hour and go back to sleep, maybe less if I'd rather avoid a longer journey back to sleep

Now looking to follow Andrew Holecek's advice on 6 hrs of sleep being his pattern as a change to see if I can follow it up with lucidity with more accuracy.
Though I think it's good advice to play with the timings and perhaps when home again I can keep a log of WBTBs and compare results at the end of each month: looking for patterns on what works most effectively for me.

Quote Originally Posted by fogelbise View Post
Holding on to awareness between these transitions is something to be proud of…now come to expect that as your standard way of surfing these transitions.
Excellent advice! Thanks.

Really good way of relating and sowing seeds of expecting to surf these states with competence and ease.
Recently had great advice from Robert Waggoner about uprooting negative beliefs and affirming a new beneficial schema. Such as whenever I think of lucid dreaming, rather than just affirming I'll become lucid 'tonight' or whenever, lay more of a beneficial groundwork - as in when noticing any thought to do with lucid dreaming, then follow it with 'I can have long lucid dreams with ease. A stable dream would feel just like this, I lucid dream easily.'
I really took to this and enjoyed doing it. Have now fallen out of the habit, but mixed in with simulated RCs and this new way of expecting consistent standards of transitions and the like, feels like an enjoyable new recipe for practice.



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Had an 'open to whatever arises' intent last night after feeling quite wrecked by evening.
Woke after 2hrs for the toilet and had great recall of two dreams... v surprised.
Then didn't wake again till morning, though with very good recall for lack of micro awareness to break the cycles.

Tonight's schedule is to go for a full on version of WBTB and get up 2hrs early, stay awake for 2hrs and then sleep on.
New recipe I haven't explicitly followed before.