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      I've learned through experience that transforming your own body into something else can be quite difficult in a dream, and have only once had minor success in this. However, I had an idea. I have no trouble creating dream characters by saying "such and such a person will walk around the corner now" and lo and behold, the person with the characteristics I imagined walks casually from behind something (has a gun I can take, a dead person I wish to talk to, etc.). So, I figure, since it's quite simple to make things immaterial but still there, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch for one to simply summon a character, turn them around and "jump into" their body, possess them if you will. It might have strange side effects, like accidentally being backwards or struggling to control the body over the will of the DC, but I feel like this would be quite an easy way to transform the self image. Has anybody ever tried this, or tried other methods of transformation and met either success or difficulty?

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      I just look into a mirror and think of what I will look like. I've only done it once but it seemed to work.
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      Quote Originally Posted by NeAvO View Post
      I just look into a mirror and think of what I will look like. I&#39;ve only done it once but it seemed to work.
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      do you mean you think of what you want to look like first, or while looking in the mirror? Doing it while looking in the mirror sounds like something I&#39;d have trouble doing

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      Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
      do you mean you think of what you want to look like first, or while looking in the mirror? Doing it while looking in the mirror sounds like something I&#39;d have trouble doing
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      Yeah sorry I wasn&#39;t that clear, think before you look at a mirror on what you want to look like. Hope thats easier to understand
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      You're just jealous that I'm more of a man than you could ever be, sweetie pie.
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      u could possibly look at the mirror then close your eyes and imagine who you want to be then open them

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      Quote Originally Posted by frisbenis View Post
      u could possibly look at the mirror then close your eyes and imagine who you want to be then open them
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      that&#39;s probably not a good idea, because you might end up opening your real eyes instead and waking up

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      Hi John,

      My... you&#39;re everywhere nowadays.

      I often have dreams of being in other "Self Images" as you call them. I call them Dream Personas, but intelligent people never quible over words.

      In one dream I looked into the reflective glass of a door and saw that I was actually a young svelte woman. It is amazing, but unless you catch a glimpse of yourself in a mirror, there are few clues to who you actually are. Just the other night I saw myself as a fat darkhaired man of about 40 years old, who had a rash on his ear lobes.

      I&#39;ve never purposefully jumped a Dream Character in order to possess their body.

      You know, I would not do such a thing indiscriminately. Perhaps I would "jump" a famous Saint or Guru, but I would be leary of taking possession of any typical person. I have problems enough of my own.

      Oh, John, that reminds me.

      the recent dream I had of having been taken up by the wind -- the Optimistic Flying Dream, in the Dream Interpretation Section -- for a moment I saw myself in the Third Person and it really was not my own Leo Volont Self Image. I was younger -- about 35, and more heroic looking -- sandy blond hair and not grey, a straighter nose, and more muscular. Because the Self Image was flattering I had not really thought about it not being "me". But since you brought it up...

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      I used to struggle to make things like this happen, but recently I started using this wand idea that I found somewhere on this forum, and now I can use similar methods for changing my self image. I now use my wand to create a "self image altering machine", then step into the machine, change my self image into whatever I want. I get out of the machine and I have become whatever I wanted to be. The machine helps me believe that I can make myself change another way than "by magic".

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      The magic machine is an interesting idea. I tried looking into a mirror and closing my eyes and then opening them again to change my self image, but sure enough I opened my real eyes. In the heat of the moment I&#39;d forgotten not to do that. As for "jumping" into somebody causing all kinds of problems, I could see that happening, but I also figured that if you&#39;d created this person by having them walk around the corner, you could create them to be a shell of a dream character with no personality or free will I suppose, a blank minded person you can just take control of. I wouldn&#39;t try doing it to a dream character with a personality and believable characteristics, it&#39;s much too difficult to do anyway.

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      The first time i changed my apearence I was looking in a mirror and thought of myself having certain facial features, my face changed as soon as I thought about it. After reading this I tried possessing a person but as I tried the person disintegrated. I tried again with a mirror, I thought that watching myself possess someone would help but instead I just moved him.

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      I wanted to shapeshift in a recent LD but couldn&#39;t no matter how hard I tried. I&#39;d wanted to see what I&#39;d look like with a pair of big threatening devil horns protruding from my head. I could feel it wanting to happen but I couldn&#39;t make it a &#39;reality&#39;.

      Maybe I&#39;m just too much of an angel to shapeshift into a devil?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post


      -- for a moment I saw myself in the Third Person and it really was not my own Leo Volont Self Image. I was younger -- about 35, and more heroic looking -- sandy blond hair and not grey, a straighter nose, and more muscular. Because the Self Image was flattering I had not really thought about it not being "me". But since you brought it up...
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      Cool dream.

      I read somewhere about creating a DC who is your twin, but your ideal version of yourself - in looks, abilities and mindset. The idea was to then "step into" this character and experience life as you would without hang-ups/physical deformities/ravages of time. (sigh).

      I&#39;ve never tried this, but it is an interesting idea, and could work for all kinds of things. I imagine the "stepping in" part would be tricky - I&#39;d probably knock him over or vaporise him like Dark blood did. Being my ideal self, he&#39;d probably be cool about this.

      As far as changing self-image goes, I&#39;ve managed to do this pretty easily through a CCTV-type system, seeing myself on a security monitor. Its similar to deciding what you want and then looking in the mirror, but was somehow easier for me because you&#39;re seeing yourself from a "third person" point of view.

      Haven&#39;t tried the horns though.

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      I now use my wand to create a "self image altering machine", then step into the machine, change my self image into whatever I want. I get out of the machine and I have become whatever I wanted to be. The machine helps me believe that I can make myself change another way than "by magic".
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      Also, love this idea&#33;

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      i change with little or no effort, my favorites against nightmares are freddy krueger and it the clown, the only problem with the freddy was that when i fought the real freddy with my freddy he held his ground so then i changed into the clown with freddy gloves on, then he got scared and i sliced him apart...
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      I haven&#39;t changed my body in any way before other than changing my clothes. I know that I can though. I have actually been meaning to try adding aditional limbs and tails and stuff, just to see what it would be like but other things always come up.

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      Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
      I have no trouble creating dream characters by saying "such and such a person will walk around the corner now" and lo and behold, the person with the characteristics I imagined walks casually from behind something
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      Gaaah, not fair. I want more than anything to be able to do that. D&#39;:

      Per your question, I tend to look different automatically in a dream usually. Lately I&#39;ve been looking like my waking self. One time I remember looking into a mirror and willing my hair different colors.

      Edit: Oh, and you just reminded me- last night in my dream, for a portion of it, I was a little girl, maybe six years old with long blonde hair. Weird.

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      Quote Originally Posted by badassbob View Post
      I used to struggle to make things like this happen, but recently I started using this wand idea that I found somewhere on this forum, and now I can use similar methods for changing my self image. I now use my wand to create a "self image altering machine", then step into the machine, change my self image into whatever I want. I get out of the machine and I have become whatever I wanted to be. The machine helps me believe that I can make myself change another way than "by magic".
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      Maybe next time I have a lucid dream I&#39;ll reach into a closet and pull out a cardboard box, and then cut a door in it and label it "transmogrifyer" with a dial on the side. Then I can write what I want to be and turn the dial to it, like in calvin and hobbes.

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      ^ Sounds like a very complicated thing to do in a LD.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Vex Kitten
      You're just jealous that I'm more of a man than you could ever be, sweetie pie.
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      I&#39;m not the only one who&#39;s read CALVIN AND HOBBES&#33; One of us&#33; One of us&#33; One of us&#33;&#33;&#33;

      Or you could try making ten of yourself, just by crossing out "transmogrifier" and write "duplicator"&#33; God I loved those comics. Why, Bill Waterson, WHY did you stop drawing them?&#33;?

      Um... o_0

      Back to the topic at hand, I imagine actively trying to change one&#39;s image or form in a dream would be difficult if it&#39;s hard to picture doing it in real life. I know in dreams you can do anything (virtually), but a lot of the sensations I understand are "borrowed" from others. For instance, flying for many gives the sensation of being on a roller coaster, etc...

      Maybe trying to visualize it a few times in waking would allow your subconcious to create and therefore successfully complete the situation? Or maybe you could just try some "natural herbs"...
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      what would be cool to turn into? i have had 2 lucids but havnt tried transforming yet.

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      Turn into a bird and fly with wings or be a lion and run through Africa. Better yet create your own animal and be it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Vex Kitten
      You're just jealous that I'm more of a man than you could ever be, sweetie pie.
      Shoot for the moon, even if you miss it you will land among the stars.

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      Try this: in your waking life. go to a big mirror (bathroom one works) Unfocus your eyes and don&#39;t blink.
      this causes the background to fade in and out. but pay attention to your image in the mirror. you can watch your face change, you might see your face brighter of darker or with different facial hair etc.

      I did this once while repeating "double double" (intending my image in dreams to look like me) that night i had a flash of an LD where i was looking at myself in a mirror. no doubt i looked perfectly like myself, not like someone else. I&#39;ve done this acouple times with success. I&#39;m gonna try repeating "x appearance" when gazing into the mirror. and see if i can see if my dreambody changes. if it does. i may have invented a technique for intending appearances in dreams. worth a shot.
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      Quote Originally Posted by NeAvO View Post
      ^ Sounds like a very complicated thing to do in a LD.
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      not really, all you&#39;d have to do is open up a closet and expect to find a box, a knife, and a marker. You could just pull the marker and knife out of your pocket probably, and a box is a pretty likely thing to find pretty much anywhere, shouldn&#39;t be too hard to do. Although, you might need to get a DC to push the button for you (an orange feline DC perhaps). I think I&#39;m gonna try to do this next time I have an LD (hopefully soon, I&#39;ve averaged 4 or so a week for the past couple weeks).

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      Yah&#33; Other Calvin and Hobbes fans&#33; I really like the "Transmogrifyer Gun" ones.

      Anyway, I still haven&#39;t gotten a lucid yet (or maybe I did, when my dream recall was still nothin ) but shapechanging or transforming is one of the high ones on my to-do list. After learning some control, of course.

      I want to try a dragon, really. They&#39;re mythical creatures, so I wonder how my mind would try that... and they&#39;ve got wings and four legs, so that would be interesting to control.

      Anyway, I&#39;m not going to try possessing. It seems evil, and thus I would never keep control.

      Anyway, dream lucidly,
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      Quote Originally Posted by sunoco View Post
      what would be cool to turn into? i have had 2 lucids but havnt tried transforming yet.
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      Turn into a bird and fly with wings or be a lion and run through Africa. Better yet create your own animal and be it.
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      I did turn into a cat once (sadly not on purpose).

      I was in a garden at night and an old man (like an alchemist or wizard) gave me this little bag with some kind of edible stuff inside. When I ate it, I changed into a cat and went running across the rooftops of the town. It was quite strange experiencing a body that moved in a totally different way to my own.

      So maybe that&#39;s another way to tranform - look for an old man who wants to give you something nice to eat&#33; Don&#39;t do this IRL though - you may wake up on a dodgy website with a chloroform headache.


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      Lol. So, how realistic does it seem? Oh, and in your dream right there were you lucid?

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