Thread: The Infinite Universes of Lucid Dreaming

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Much of what I'm about to tell you is conceptual -- a way of viewing lucid dreams.
Take it in any way you please.

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The Stuff of Dreams

Three years ago, I discovered a tool that would prove to be the most powerful I could ever imagine: Lucid Dreaming.

When I first found lucid dreaming, many ideas of what I could do sprang into my mind. I could fight alongside elves for the protection of Middle Earth, I could join Neo as he cleansed The Matrix of its programmed agents, Most of all though -the thing that I really and truly wanted- I could carry on an alternate life within the dreamworld.


Alas! I've yet to complete any of these things.
Though I have talked to an elf, I had to make him appear outside of my front door. Though I have "kind of" been in the Matrix, it wasn't really "the Matrix" at all, just a half-assed consciously created replica.

I didn't work my ass off to get lucid dreams just so I could have "half" experiences. I want the real deal; I want to be able to visit the land of Mordor and actually feel the need to hide from the giant all seeing eye.
I don't want to be god... I want to be a traveler. I want to be just another person in a sea of people, to be able to immerse myself in a culture that never truly existed.

I want what I worked so dammed hard for.


How to Get It:

For three years I've tried to figure out how to achieve this type of realism. Finally, after all this time and all this searching, I've pieced it together.

To understand this fully you must first understand how I believe dreams are created.

I think it was LaBerge that first used "schemata" to explain how dreams are formed (don't quote me on that of course).
(You may want to look over the contents of that link before continuing)

Basically, what happens is that as your lying there sleeping an image will come up in your mind.
Lets say this is an image of a pencil.

Your mind will begin to build a scene around this image of a pencil using your subconscious set of schemata.
Lets say that when you think of a pencil you think that it should be sitting on a desk.
When you think of a desk you think of school.
When you think of school you think of that one hot teacher you used to have.
When you think of that teacher you think of how you used to always worry about getting an erection in her class.

Using these schemata, your mind has built a nightmare wherein your standing in that hot teachers classroom with an erection and everyone is laughing at you.


This is how all dreams are born and perpetuated. They use your deepest expectations of what "should be", then build a vivid scene and storyline around it.

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Now that you (hopefully) understand how normal dreams are formed, it should be easier for you to understand how lucids work:

Lucid Dreams:

In a lucid dream, the same rules apply. Except now theres a key difference: now your consciously in control of your expectations.


Infinite Universes:

When most DVrs enter a lucid dream the first thing that pops into their heads is something along the lines of:
"omfg ! omfg! I'm in a lucid dream and I need to try and stabilize it before it breaks down on me and then I'll be awake and my lucid dream will have been lost oh no! oh no!"

I ask you, why would your dream suddenly "break down" just because you became lucid? That doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, we dream many times every night of the week.
Those dreams don't just randomly break down.


The reason our lucid dreams are breaking down like that is because we're making them break down.
Your dreams run on your expectations. When you expect that the dream could break down at any given moment, and that in order for it to be vivid you MUST yell out words or something like that, your creating laws within your dream!

Over your time reading about lucid dreaming and experiencing lucidity for yourself, you've built your own little universe thats titled: "Universe Lucid Dream".
Within Universe LD all the things that you "know" about lucid dreaming, have become laws:

• Sex to orgasm "nearly" impossible
• Hard to fly
• Can't turn on light switches
• If you get too excited you'll "overload" your brain and wake up
• etc etc

All these "laws" are in effect in Universe Lucid Dream.

These things aren't laws of the dreamstate. They are laws that we as a community have created for "Universe Lucid Dream".


Again remember. The only reason these things are laws is because deep down, you expect them to be laws. Your putting these restrictions on yourself by only having your LDs in the universe that we as a community of lucid dreamers have created: Universe Lucid Dream.

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Do not fret. Now that you know what your doing, there's an easy way to get out of universe LD.


Realize that all the rules you've ever learned about lucid dreaming (can't have sex too long, they don't last long at all, etc), only apply to universe LD.

Now realize that there are an infinite number of other universes in your mind. Here's some examples:

• The Matrix Universe
• LOTR Universe
• Harry Potter Universe
• "Real Life" Universe
• Anime Universe
• etc

Each of these Universes already exist. All you have to do is find a way to enter them (a portal).
"Portals" can be anything. You could jump through a mirror, or tear open a rift in time and space, perhaps you could just kill yourself and resurrect in whatever universe you please.


How To View These Universes:

Don't see them as extensions of your lucid dreams.
They are full fledged universes all on there own. Just like every normal dream you have is a full fledged universe of its own.

They have their own laws, their own geography, their own everything. Your not creating anything.
You don't even have to worry about them ending because of something you did. Universes don't just end, thats illogical.

Of course, REM limits the amount of time you can stay in a universe. Just as the need to sleep limits the amount of time you can stay in real life.
Don't worry about how long your REM period is going to last (how long you have until you have to go to sleep), just dwell in the moment and calmly do whatever you want.


Think of the reality your in right now.
Real life is solid; its fundamental laws don't just change.

Lets say I'm walking down a hallway in real life and I see a "hump" on my couch as I walk past the doorway. Do I suddenly run in terror thinking that that hump is a massive spider thats about to attack and slay me?
Fuck no.

I would try to reason away the hump:

1. My doors are locked so it can't be a robber
2. This is real life so its nothing supernatural
3. I'm the only person in the house
4. I have no animals
5. It has to be a wad of clothes that someone threw on the couch without folding

You see, I did a check with the rules that were established in my current reality to logically see what the "thing" was.


You do the same thing in the universes that you visit in your lucid dreams.
In "lucid dream universe", that hump could literally have been anything. The rules said there were no rules.

If I had been having a normal dream about how all the women in the world wanted to sex me up, that hump would have been a sexy woman.

If I was in a lucid dream and in "real life universe", that hump was just a wad of clothes.


Take the facts of the universes you enter: the laws, and build your expectations around that.

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I agree with a lot of what you have to say except, our dreams do have limits because our brains have limits. These limits are extremely high because of the absolute complexity and advancement of our "super" brain, some limits we may never even reach because of the power our brain truly has.
But again there are limits. You can awaken from to much excitement in my opinion because s you get excited certain parts of your brain react and more and more activity brews until your brain has almost completely turned on, and thus you awaken. But that's just my opinion/observation.

Originally Posted by Tripoli

I agree with a lot of what you have to say except, our dreams do have limits because our brains have limits. These limits are extremely high because of the absolute complexity and advancement of our "super" brain, some limits we may never even reach because of the power our brain truly has.
But again there are limits. You can awaken from to much excitement in my opinion because s you get excited certain parts of your brain react and more and more activity brews until your brain has almost completely turned on, and thus you awaken. But that's just my opinion/observation.

I think that the whole point of this thread is the "unlearning" of things. If you can "unlearn" that excitement wakes you up then you're okay. However I have to disagree with the orignal point that all of the "laws" of lucid dreams are made by the community, I'd suggest that we need to overcome our own assumptions more than the societal rules (although these too have their place).