Thread: Fighting in dreams

Originally Posted by ImageAll

Jeffrey Dahmer obviously also had the intention and desire to cause harm, due to the probability that his heart was full of malice, discontent and hate. People like Jeffrey become what they become because of what they already are and how they grow on that, not because their form of fantasies form them. It's all about what's in one's heart and how it's dealt with.

The same kind of principles apply to knowledge, as that is what is brought by exercise. People who watch CSI don't become criminals because they know more on how to avoid being caught, or because they are shown the ideas and methods of murder of these fictional criminals. It's all about how you use that knowledge, and that will be determined by what your heart and mind focus on. In the case of those such as Jeffrey, this is hate.

Martial artists don't turn bad because they know how to handle a fight. They don't go mugging raping and killing people because they know how to do it. They don't do those things because they practice what are potentially harmful and dangerous techniques on mannequins (which are meant to represent real people). There can be bad people who have an understanding and a liking to practice martial arts, but the understanding and liking to practice aren't the reasons they are bad.

IMO it would take an unexperienced and quite judgmental person to believe knowledge and practices of potentially harmful things dictate the behavior and course of life of any individual.

Very true. I'd like to add, potentially stupid person to the list of that last statement.

And remember everyone. Oh my god, don't touch any trees!

Dont even look at them f*ckers!

that has happened to me a lot, often underwater... no idea how to solve that

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

>>What about if it is an unavoidable situation?<<

If one of them grabs you, and IF YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN'T AVOID THE SITUATION, then wrestle with it until it goes inert. Don't throw punches. Just wrestle it. Then when it's exausted, ask it its name.

Then e-mail me, and I'll tell you what to do next.

And to the person who said that it's "just a fictional situation" -- even if that's true, which I don't acknowledge, then you're an ass for wanting to hurt something. Why do you want to do that?

Hippie.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

You shouldn't be fighting them. Don't touch them at all.

WTF its a dream for goodness sake so wat!!!

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

First, why in the world would you want to?


And second, you should ask one of them sometime if you benefit from fighting with it.

They are DCs and talk rubbish half the time, fighting or hurting is the only way sometimes of getting a good message.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

>>What about if it is an unavoidable situation?<<

If one of them grabs you, and IF YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN'T AVOID THE SITUATION, then wrestle with it until it goes inert. Don't throw punches. Just wrestle it. Then when it's exausted, ask it its name.

Then e-mail me, and I'll tell you what to do next.

And to the person who said that it's "just a fictional situation" -- even if that's true, which I don't acknowledge, then you're an ass for wanting to hurt something. Why do you want to do that?

WTF they are not REAL, they don't feel PAIN punch the heck outta them, lighten up and have fun.

Originally Posted by hootman

Hippie.

100% agree

I tried that punching technique last night and it worked very well! Thanks for the tip.

i got the same problem. all kind of aggresive stuff i do is lame, or almost all stuff. i was going to shoot a ninja with my muzzleloadder when i missed and then attacked with my ninjasword. i lost all my strengh. it was like when waking up in the morning and try to do something that requires strength. it was real lame. i felt like a girl fighting with wrong hand.

Originally Posted by Funnel

I tried that punching technique last night and it worked very well! Thanks for the tip.

Nice! Glad I could help ya out.

I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer had fantasies of hurting things beefore he actually started doing it.

Are you religious by any chance? Seriously, just wondering.



And if you can't distinguish between fiction and reality that's your problem. If you 'hurt' a figment of your imagination in your dream, no-one is hurt. Nothing is hurt. The object does not exist in reality therefore the concept of pain is nonsensical.

I enjoy video games that feature violence. Does that mean I would want to go around shooting people because it's fun? Not in the slightest.

I have to seriously question how healthy it would be for someone of your intellect to lucid dream, given that you don't appear to understand fundamental differences between reality and fantasy.

At first, my head almost exploded from reading Arne's posts.

Afterwards though, it got really creepy, the way he's so seriously associating the dreamworld and DC's with the social rules and emotions of real life.

The poster above said, "if you can't distinguish between fiction and reality that's your problem." That's basically what it comes down to, that's what separates psychopaths from normal people.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

to the person who said that it's "just a fictional situation" -- even if that's true, which I don't acknowledge

Arne, seriously man...watch out for yourself.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

The most effective way that I got around this problem (It used to happen to me all the time) is to eliminate the thought of throwing the punch and having it travel through the air. Simply imagine your punch leaving your side and suddenly connecting with the target. Don't really think about your body throwing the punch. Just visualize the punch slamming into your opponent's face. Same thing goes with dodging at superhuman speeds, too. Just forget that your body is there, and visualize yourself automatically ducking and weaving around whatever's being thrown at you.

That's exactly what I do all the time =]

All of you are cordially invited to join my dreaming group and demonstrate what you can do, besides engaging in torture fantasies.

Let me tell you though that all who have joined it full of swaggering and abusive talk have fallen silent very quickly.

Let's see if any of you aspiring waterboarders will be any different.

If you want to interpret that as my calling you out -- yes, that's what I'm doing.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/luciddreamingtasks/

Had it not been in the forum of an insult (and a completely melodramatic one, at that, as i don't think any of us were talking about torturing people), I might have given it some thought.

But since you want to continue to play holier-than-thou, just because of a difference of opinion, I can already tell that it's not going to be an environment I'll want to waste my time in attending.

In other words: "what I can do" is plastered all over this site. You wanna see it? Find it for yourself.

>>Had it not been in the forum of an insult (and a completely
melodramatic one, at that, as i don't think any of us were talking about torturing
people), I might have given it some thought.<<

I'm sure.

More than a few people people have said that they have lucid dreams all the time, but when they've join my group, that ability has mysteriously disappeared.

The ability to do it is a lot more rare than most people would suspect.

And there's no defense for engaging in torture fantasies, so everyone should stop trying to defend it.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I'm sure.

I didn't ask.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

More than a few people people have said that they have lucid dreams all the time, but when they've join my group, that ability has mysteriously disappeared.

Ah, so I suppose we should just put a disclaimer on the door of this website saying: "This site is for entertainment purposes only. One cannot truly believe that anyone else on this site can actually lucid dream until they've joined arne's group."

Seriously, how fucking pompous can you be? You should start up a thread telling everyone here at DV how full of shit they are, simultaneously. You know, get it all out at once.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

The ability to do it is a lot more rare than most people would suspect.

Who's suspecting what? You lost me. I don't think anyone here is accounting for any "suspicions" of anyone else but themselves. What does "how rare lucid dreams are" have anything to do with my own experiences?

Also, where did you get this oh-so-certain statistic? I'd like to know.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And there's no defense for engaging in torture fantasies, so everyone should stop trying to defend it.

You're unbelievably misguided. If you think the words "fighting" and "torture" are interchangeable, you need to slip back into grade school, cause there are obviously a few pieces of the educational puzzle that managed to slip right passed you.

Now really, how can anyone have a discussion with someone who fights on behalf of torture fantasies?

And furthermore, who walks away shouting back profanely and abusively after he's been called out?

I've had the same experience; its like punching underwater.
I have no problem with fighting in dreams, but maybe this inability to punch is directly reflected from real life experience. In other words, with me, I have never thrown a punch into someone's face in real life; I have no idea what that would feel both emotionally and physically. That could translate into not being able to punch in an LD. . .cause' you can't comprehend an action like that.

So perhaps if you want to train for being an 'LD fighter' try punching a punching bag in real life; get your body, muscles and hands to feel it in real life. Then try it in an LD!

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

If you think the words "fighting" and "torture" are interchangeable, you need to slip back into grade school, cause there are obviously a few pieces of the educational puzzle that managed to slip right passed you.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Now really, how can anyone have a discussion with someone who fights on behalf of torture fantasies?

This, alone, proves you to be nothing but a troll.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And furthermore, who walks away shouting back profanely and abusively after he's been called out?

Who is obligated to prove himself (on a completely unrelated issue, mind you) to a troll who entered the discussion hissing unwarranted insults?

Hmmm...

Originally Posted by ruff23

Often i get into fights in my LD's with random people/monsters (lol) and i find i have the ability to choke, hit them against things or kick, but i cant punch with my full force, i always feel like im throwing realy weak punches and there no force behind them.

Anyone else have the problem with realy weak punches that feel they have no force behind them?

How could i fix this?

Yes. And stop fighting as you wake up...

Give up and be killed, and wake up! :p

Originally Posted by HonerableMoUsE

I've had the same experience; its like punching underwater.
I have no problem with fighting in dreams, but maybe this inability to punch is directly reflected from real life experience. In other words, with me, I have never thrown a punch into someone's face in real life; I have no idea what that would feel both emotionally and physically. That could translate into not being able to punch in an LD. . .cause' you can't comprehend an action like that.

So perhaps if you want to train for being an 'LD fighter' try punching a punching bag in real life; get your body, muscles and hands to feel it in real life. Then try it in an LD!

I think you're correct. When we don't know what to expect from something, it's most likely that, in dreams, we will be met with some kind of resistance. Even if you do try punching a bag, it will feel a bit different when putting it into action, in a dream, so you may or may not still meet some resistance. But, I'm sure it could help a bit.

Wow, this is somewhat unrelated to the topic... but after seeing the statements made by arne saknussemm, I got a bit curious. I looked through some of his other posts arne saknussemm and came to the conclusion that he's pretty much like a dumbed down version of Leo Volont.

Just as arrogant, with the "I know the essence of dreams - you don't" belief, but without being anywhere near as articulate or insightful as Leo.

Originally Posted by tyrantt23

Just as arrogant, with the "I know the essence of dreams - you don't" belief, but without being anywhere near as articulate or insightful as Leo.

To be fair to "arne", what he's saying is "I know the essence of lucid dreaming, and you probably don't.." because he draws on his experience of running a dreaming group. Fair enough, I say. He's entitled to his opinion.

And anyway.. is this thread about fighting in lucid dreaming, or just about fighting in normal dreaming? Because I don't see much written about lucidity, and I can't for the life of me understand any enjoyment in deliberately fighting for fun in a proper LD..

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I think you're correct. When we don't know what to expect from something, it's most likely that, in dreams, we will be met with some kind of resistance. Even if you do try punching a bag, it will feel a bit different when putting it into action, in a dream, so you may or may not still meet some resistance. But, I'm sure it could help a bit.

interesting theory. . .thanks!