Thread: Fighting in dreams

Originally Posted by Barns

What about if it is an unavoidable situation?

OOPS!!!! QUOTED WRONG THING!!!
It was supposed to be, "Why would you want to?"

1)weapons and martial artsare cool/fun.
2)Pwning people is REALLY fun.
3)relieve stress
4)Unavoidable
5)RL martial arts/archery/fencing training

Here is the best way to fix it. Think superspeed and your arms and fists will fly at superspeed, but the problem is so will the other guy's. I did this in my dream about a week ago. Read it in my DJ if you want.

Exactly which posts do you want me to read that defend the turning of lucid dreams into torture fantasies?

Exactly how am I "ignorant" to think that behavior is wrong and indefensible?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Exactly which posts do you want me to read that defend the turning of lucid dreams into torture fantasies?

Exactly how am I "ignorant" to think that behavior is wrong and indefensible?

You sir, are either a moron or a troll. There is simply no other explanations.

Originally Posted by ILikeTurtles

You sir, are either a moron or a troll. There is simply no other explanations.

Are you saying that torturing dream characters is good?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Are you saying that torturing dream characters is good?

It is good because it is fun and it lets out your anger.

I see. What's fun about it?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Are you saying that torturing dream characters is good?

Who has posted anything about torturing DC's? No one is talking about torturing anybody. You are just a moron and take everything way out of context, then blow it way out of proportion.

Originally Posted by ILikeTurtles

Who has posted anything about torturing DC's? No one is talking about torturing anybody. You are just a moron and take everything way out of context, then blow it way out of proportion.

I was talking to this other fellow:

Today, 06:46 PM #82 kingofclutch
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arne saknussemm
Are you saying that torturing dream characters is good?

It is good because it is fun and it lets out your anger.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I was talking to this other fellow:

Today, 06:46 PM #82 kingofclutch
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arne saknussemm
Are you saying that torturing dream characters is good?

It is good because it is fun and it lets out your anger.

Wow, your dense. You do realize I quoted your direct reply to my post right?

Now answer my question, aside from kingofclutch, who has said they want to torture dream characters?

I said this: Are you saying that torturing dream characters is good?

Then King of Clutch said thts: It is good because it is fun and it lets out your anger.

Then I said this: I see. What's fun about it?

Is that clear now Turtles?

Ok I'll mediate here. The above is a flame war. It should be avoided at all costs. However, reasonable arguements are not as frowned upon.

My two bits are that dream characters are imaginary. It's the same concept as video games - doing things you CAN'T do in real life. "Hurting" or "Killing" something imaginary doesn't really hurt or kill anyone in real life.

I would fight because you can fight ANYONE, and be assured of winning! Who cares if Yao Ming is 7'+ when your packing a dream ChuckNorrisEsque roundhouse kick?

Originally Posted by kingofclutch

It is good because it is fun and it lets out your anger.

Okay. <stands up and clears throat> At the risk of getting my head bitten off, I'm going to say my piece.

I think fighting in LDing is pointless, a complete waste of energy.. and to those who say "What about if it's unavoidable?", well.. if you are actually lucid, it's never unavoidable.. you can get out of any dodgy situation IF you are lucid and realise what is happening..

And as for "torturing in Dreaming" as evinced by some on this thread and also on the "Ways of killing DCs" thread, I think that such people are basically sick and that such behaviour is extremely unhealthy.. they need professional help IMO. Go tell a psychiatrist that you have dreams like that and they'll fill you full of meds and probably label you "psychotic"... and I wouldn't disagree with that diagnosis as far as some on this forum go..

I also have to say that many of these so-called "lucid" experiences of fighting and torturing that I've read seem nothing like.. I read a lot about dreaming and oh so very little about lucidity. Sounds like "normal" dreaming to me.

There you go. Now go and bite my head off if you want to.

Fighting as an art or sport is tremendous in LDs, but on the other hand, as a conscious effort to defend yourself or hurt someone, it seems petty and weak of you.

Thank you, Onerio and Omega Weapon. It's nice to know that some people around here have some sense and some decency.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Okay. <stands up and clears throat> At the risk of getting my head bitten off, I'm going to say my piece.

I think fighting in LDing is pointless, a complete waste of energy.. and to those who say "What about if it's unavoidable?", well.. if you are actually lucid, it's never unavoidable.. you can get out of any dodgy situation IF you are lucid and realise what is happening..

And as for "torturing in Dreaming" as evinced by some on this thread and also on the "Ways of killing DCs" thread, I think that such people are basically sick and that such behaviour is extremely unhealthy.. they need professional help IMO. Go tell a psychiatrist that you have dreams like that and they'll fill you full of meds and probably label you "psychotic"... and I wouldn't disagree with that diagnosis as far as some on this forum go..

I also have to say that many of these so-called "lucid" experiences of fighting and torturing that I've read seem nothing like.. I read a lot about dreaming and oh so very little about lucidity. Sounds like "normal" dreaming to me.

There you go. Now go and bite my head off if you want to.

So I guess most of the teenage population of the world needs to be thrown into a mental institution for playing violent video games, watching violent movies, etc.? By the way, "fighting" doesn't automatically mean "torturing". Maybe if you actually performed some sort of torture, for example: locking someone in an iron maiden and laughing maniacally as they call for help. Now that is sick-minded. However, fighting/killing DC's is in no way psychotic or sick-minded. Hell, I enjoy it and I'm not a violent person in real life at all.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Thank you, Onerio and Omega Weapon. It's nice to know that some people around here have some sense and some decency.

If you're going to act as holier-than-thou as you have been, at least be consistent.

At first you say fighting of any kind is tantamount to torture-fantasy and you (shouldn't touch DC's), but then you commend Omega Weapon when she clearly stated that fighting as a sport in an LD is tremendous.

Which is it?

I think I'm done with this topic - it's turned into a flame war.

But I think fighting in dreams is fun as a source of entertainment. It doesn't have to be bloody or torture - just fighting. Some people can bear the gore. That's why horror movies like Sweeney Todd don't completely flop at the box office. I don't care if anyone else is against imaginary fighting as long as they don't try to push it on other people.

Originally Posted by ILikeTurtles

So I guess most of the teenage population of the world needs to be thrown into a mental institution for playing violent video games, watching violent movies, etc.? By the way, "fighting" doesn't automatically mean "torturing". Maybe if you actually performed some sort of torture, for example: locking someone in an iron maiden and laughing maniacally as they call for help. Now that is sick-minded. However, fighting/killing DC's is in no way psychotic or sick-minded. Hell, I enjoy it and I'm not a violent person in real life at all.

Good grief. Did you even read my post? I wrote that IMO "fighting in-Dreaming" was pointless and a waste of energy. Nowhere did I imply that I thought that those who practice it were sick and psychotic.

But as far as "torturing in-Dreaming" goes, that's a different matter IMO, as I previously wrote.

You should really learn to read properly before jumping to false conclusions.

Just to get to know your side Arne, why do you consider it torture. No personal stake in this, just curious.

the idea of just envisioning your fist making contact instead of limiting it with your mechanical body is great, thanks. And i completely agree with Oneironaut- obviously violent actions in dreams don't mean or in anyway relate to being violent in real life. The whole point is that it's a limitless expanse where you can do what you want...I'm a extremely non-violent person, but i'll still drop ninjutsu (think naruto) on DC's , especially if they are the agressors. The video game metaphor is apt, since Lucid dreaming is in many ways just the ultimate virtual reality game.

Edit: I don't see how fighting in dreams could be not fun...Your're a freaking badd ass fighter of the highest lethality imaginable(necessarily), how is that not fun?

Let me ask again -- do you torture and kill women and children in your dreams? Or is it only men?