Thread: advanced lucid vision programming techniques...

hello.

i recently posted in the newbie section asking if anyone consciously controls their hallucination/visions (while awake), and to my surprise a few people responded yes...

so with that said, i thought i'd share my latest disovery in advanced techniques utilizing structured/logical programming loops/conditions, which control the objects (with a high degree of flexibitliy/control) within my lucid art worlds.

so imagine for a sec that i have this massive castle in my mind that is so majestic and vivdly complex, that any english description won't even come close...but it's true, i have been building on this castle art piece from vision to vision (which remains in tact) for upwards of 7 years now, and, during this last year or so.

to get to my programming point/technique, i'll have to give a brief intro to what some of the rooms/objects are like, so bare with me here:

this castle in my mind has many custom rooms, with most of the walls built out of custom and some even interactive materials. one room for example has translucent gel like walls with spectral colored sparkles floating inside of them, illuminated from the inside, and also beat synched/pulsating with whatever music you happened to be listening to at the time...some walls/floors are made out of huge shards of illuminated quartz crystal, or very reflective gold/silvers...

some of the rooms have people i place inside whom i visit from time to time, one of these rooms i made specifically for visitng my dead grandparents, where they kindof hang out and live.

their room has a glass bottomed/heart shaped hot tub, where you can see galaxies floating by underneath you when your in it ... i have some of my 2d artwork on animated and glowing on the walls...as well as various forms of enterainment for them.

since they liked to take me bowling alot when i was a kid, i made them this fully decked out bowling lane for them...with transparent/illuminated bowling balls/pins...and a scoreboard that lights up, and shows them pictures/videos of memories i had of them as a kid when they get a high bowling score.

another thing i'd do, was while i was visiting the room with them, i would invoke other family members (we have a huge family) to come in the room and visit them also...they always seem amused and pleased by this, so then i decided to attempt to whole 'family reunion' thing happen on a weekly basis...like a weekly loop lets say (every sunday). once i did that successfully, i realized that if i could apply a programatic loop within this vision, then what's stopping me from adding other forms of programming??? i'm a computer programmer by day, so this made alot of sense to me...

so the next thing i added for them was an interface on the wall which they could easily interact with, and which allows them to control which day/time that the family reunion would happen (instead of just on sundays)...

so that worked out, so i started trying to think of other ways i could allow them to control the family reunion loop...and the next thing was allowing them to modifiy the actual age of each person in the family reunion...so for example they could be visiting me when it was 10 and my brother when he was 5, and my dad when he was 1 ...and they could mix and match any way they wanted.

the most recent logic i've added to their 'family reunion control panel' was allowing them to visit with the family with mixed/matched ages, and based on their experience visiting them at certain ages, they could notice/observe/inquire about that family members life at the time of that age...and if they were having any kindof trouble/problems in their life at the time, my grandparents would then have the option of later approaching the control panel, and travelling back in time, and optionally entering into that family member's dreams, in order to send them messages via dreams about how to help them solve those specific problems...

i'm still dreaming up new ways to add complexity/practicallity to this...especially with the programming aspect... it's pretty much like a mini little matrix in my head, powered by conscious logic and advanced visionary art.

has any else taken it to this degree? or applied any level of logical programming to either a lucid dream or consciously controlled vision?

i'd love to hear if so, and also encourage everyone to try it...it's very funtastikal and amusing/beautiful

bow,
doktor J
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damn dude, this is pretty amazing. i'm relatively new to lucid dreaming so i've never encountered a concept like this. i find it particularly impressive that you've been able to develop this castle over the years and that it remains intact and complete in your dreams.

i'm also a programmer by day. is the dream programming you're suggesting automatically work after you've decided on it? what i mean is -- are your programming directives evaluated subconsciously or ("automatically", like memory recall) or do you process all of it consciously? (family member's ages, bowling score videos, etc)

now that i think of it -- a really cool (but probably impossible/impractical) idea would be to extend this sort of programming into the basis of your lucid dreaming reality.. so that certain characteristics, or perhaps the entire reality would be dependent on the outcome of memorized routines/programming, using dates, times, recent events, emotions, etc as the independent variables. this might make the dream world more stable and reliable, yet not quite predictable. maybe even a language could be developed -- "DERL" (instead of PERL)! but i'm getting ahead of myself. just reading your post inspired me on this topic though.

hope this post wasn't too irrelevant. haha

trev: i'm fully stoked to have someone respond who kindof understands what i'm actually talking about...since the general response i get from most people on this subject is just a simple 'interesting' or 'wow you're weird' type of thing... i really believe that i've tapped into a very large dimension of possibilities here... kindof like neo waking up within the matrix, and then learning real and practical skills to navigate the dream realm with far more programatic/lucid control.

it is indescribably awesome.

I didn't realize this sort of thing was out of the ordinary. I just sort of considered it thinking and using my imagination all these years. It's possible that I'm misunderstanding what you wrote, but I guess this sort of thing comes naturally to me or something. Whatever it is, it's been enjoyable for me as well.

However, you guys make your brains sound much more electronic and computer-like than I would describe mine...

before I say something I must understand something.
I don't understand the part of the family.
you are talking about dreams? or your real family? how can real people access to your mind? there are things I don't understand...

Mariano: i'm talking about accessing the minds/souls of real (but dead) people within my dreams, which is quite possible...try it x)

オースチン: i'm a computer programmer by day, and have a background in electronics, so this type of logical structure/descriptive comes naturally to me...not to mention i'm a huge fan of the whole 'matrix' ideologies...

Wow, dude, you are the best grandson in the WORLD!

Okay, develop this into a DREAM castle, then get back to us.


...and while you're at it, try programming entire scenarios to happen, all starting with a simple event, like the domino effect.

Originally Posted by Dream scientist

Wow, dude, you are the best grandson in the WORLD!

Okay, develop this into a DREAM castle, then get back to us.


...and while you're at it, try programming entire scenarios to happen, all starting with a simple event, like the domino effect.

again, to me this is already a 'dream' castle in every sense of the word, since sleeping dreams, and waking dreams are both the same, just different layers of consciousness to them...

and re: your 'programming entire scenerio's' idea...as you can review in the original post, i have already programmed quite advanced scenerios via the family reunion invokation, which happens on an adjustable timer & with adjustable age ranges... - all of this is controlled via an overlaying program structure...with certain master controls adjustable by my grandparents within the vision/dream.

What type of meditation do you do, doktorj? Focusing on your breath, or something more visual?

A combo of both I would say... usually I use the breath ( like Vipassana style ) to calm my mind from the chaos a bit, and get some focus, then optionally choose to invoke/manipulate lucid objects from that calm state, and also use the breath as a tool to transform/build dimensions at a more balanaced pace. Sometimes I think of it as focusing on blowing up a balloon...you kindof have to focus on 2 things at once to take it all the Way...

If I focus on my breath for a few minutes, I start seeing light. Mostly blue light, at first it's diffuse and seems to go in waves. If I focus on the diffuse light it sharpens, and eventually I'm able to see sharp/clear edges on some of the wavy patterns. The wavy patterns are mostly blue, the next most common color being red, sometimes they turn into red, there's also a bit of green and yellow.

Am I on the right track? Should I focus on keeping the image sharp, and then moving stuff around, try to change color etc?

How about meditation on afterimage, say look at a light bulb and try to keep the afterimage in my mind as long as possible, and eventually try to change it. Do you think that's helpful?

If you want to intend your focuson your breath do it... if your focus wonders off into whatever thought-form or shape that floats by.. (which most peoples does the moment they close their eyes, and even before then...we are swimming in a sea of chaotic thought-forms, memories, ideas, frequencies, background noises which invoke shapes/patterns etc... it's infinite, and like an out of control circus until you harness it into exactly what you want/when you want...)_, once you notice things happening, then gently return your focus back to your breath, rinse and repeat. Practice will bring longer stretches of sharpened focus. Once you master that control of focusing solely on you breath at will, then that gives you a a much deeper power to then focus on crafting/building, when you are intenentionally working with object/dimensional shaping.

And to me the afterimage thing kindof works for a bit, but more of an unnecessary cheap trip kindof thing...although I do like doing this soemtimes with certain Crystals/Gems etc... just for fun to see how long the energy holds/carry's over. When I close my eyes I can see anything imaginable, instantly, so I don't really need to start with anything existing in the 3d to help with after images... it's like disney land in there every time i close my eyes 24/7 and has been since I was a kid : )

Thanks for your suggestions. I still have ways to go to reach your level, can't wait though, this seems like the coolest thing ever. Hope I don't have to practice for 10 years before I start seeing any real results though :p

Have you also learned to do this with other senses than sight, like Mylynes? I've noticed that I can get sensations in the other senses, like the visuals behind the eyelids, that I think can be controlled in similar ways. For example, if I move my focus back and forth on my tongue, I get a kinda acidic taste in my mouth after a while.

oh sure, i many. my latest favorite is feeling my dead cat's tounge lick me when i think a thought or ask a question in my head i am unsure of, and my cat will sometimes quickly assure me yes in some cases.

also, recalling memories of flavor's is often fun... like try to recall the flavour of a fresh peach with your eyes closed, and 'watch' your recall of peach flavor...try combos, make new flavors, ...even make new colors and the sky's not the limit there either... : )

Can you do it so well as to experience an out-of-body experience where you can walk around in the castle and touch the walls and things like that? Like having a lucid dream at will during daytime.

yes, most of this is done while conscious in this 3d reality...however I consider this 3d reality just another dream, with slightly different pre-built in rules (such as the programatic illusion of time overlayed).... so yea, kindof like having a Lucid dream during the day or nighttime...whenever I want basically, especially when you start thinking outside of the context of time...

When people dream, they perceive things in a different reality. But when they're awake, they perceive things "normally" so to speak. Everyone has their own type of perception of course. But you're able to access the auditory and visual parts of the brain that is mainly accessed during dreams, or being used while awake to perceive the world around us, and you're able to change what you see as you wish. I hope to one day access that part of my brain, or rather just get it not to be used subconsciously. You're very advanced in a sense, people may say you're messed up, but you have an amazing ability and I believe it could be used to help you in Many ways. Reading this has been an inspiration to look deeper into my own mind to discover the possibilities of what I can do. Thank you.

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Is there any differences between this and a lucid dream? Are any perceptions different? Is your thinking different?

Can you change the physics, like adjust gravity etc., or maybe throw physics away and just make some abstract rules instead, like being in some cellular automata?

What do you mean by the things you say about time? Can you change your perception of time, making your perception of time faster, or slower?

Do you use this for any practical applications? Helping you design computer software for example?

phasemacer:

Is there any differences between this and a lucid dream? Are any perceptions different? Is your thinking different?

Since I cosider this 3rd dimension a slice of a dream "life is a dream" then I don't see much different than it being a sleeping in 3d lucid dream... i'm just having a waking lucid dream in 3d.


Can you change the physics, like adjust gravity etc., or maybe throw physics away and just make some abstract rules instead, like being in some cellular automata?

It depends what dimension you're in, and what liimits you've either imposed upon yourself in that reality/dimension, but the more limit's and filters you shed, the more power you realize you have.... for instance...tranfigure yourself fback into spiralling dna and grow into a 50ft butterfly instead of a human for a while, if that paticular dimension/limits allow you to do that within the program/illusion of time.

What do you mean by the things you say about time? Can you change your perception of time, making your perception of time faster, or slower?

Absolutely...you can bring it to a stop or make it go fast that you project yourslef into the future....sometimes so far it's hard to understand what you're seeing at all...


Do you use this for any practical applications? Helping you design computer software for example
I'm manily retired from programming now after doing it professionally for 10 years plus and over-doing it ...but yes I did use it to that advantage all the time. That is largely how the original version of Dreamcatcher ( Life is a dream. ) came into being... I would meditate and problem solve using lucidly invoked objects, and based on either memories or concepts of the code combined, in a mostly liminal way. Also our entire slogan is: "Life is a dream" ...

Dreamcatcher ( Life is a dream. )

I think what Phasemacer is talking about is being able to consciously project your consciousness from your body into the world you have created with your mind and experience it.

doktorj:
Can you imagine a way to use this technique with bidirectional data transfer to a computer for rendering predefined places, stories, realtime data etc?

Say, for example you look at some pictures first and then you'd create a 3d model of whatever the pictures show in your mind and listen to some story on what's supposed to happen or what someone else is doing via headphones, or input data in some other way, or if you were talking with someone on a headset you could "see" them standing there talking to you?

How about data ouput, for example with something like Emotiv EPOC? Emotiv | EEG System | Electroencephalography

Just wondering if it might be possible to get matrix-like experiences, before direct neural interfaces of sufficient quality has been developed. Neuroimaging might be able to "read your mind" to a good enough extent to create good computer images of what you are seeing in your mind before such time, but it will likely still be way too expensive for consumer use, because of the hefty magnets and superconductors that are required (unless suddenly someone stumble upon a cheap way to make room temperature superconductors of course).

Originally posted this in another thread, but I think it's very relevant here also. I just found that more than a century ago, professor George Trumbull Ladd at Yale University did scientific studies on consciously controlled closed eye hallucinations. Here are pdf's of the studies

DIRECT CONTROL OF THE 'RETINAL FIELD': REPORT ON THREE CASES
DIRECT CONTROL OF THE RETINAL FIELD