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      Tricked from lucidity

      I see similar stuff to this happens to other people here as well, but I can't seem to find any definitive solutions through the search, only discussion.

      So a friend of mine has been becoming lucid lately, and he says every time he's tricked out of it in a matter of seconds. For example, once he thought his mother was knocking on his door in waking life, so he woke up from the dream, but nobody was there. Another time he thought his girlfriend was waking up his body and he HAD to get up, and when he actually awoke she was still asleep.

      I've told him to expect a trick but what it seems like is that in the dream its just a little too convincing. Very different from my experiences, usually my lucids just black out and I wake up. I understand how to combat that, but how does one combat subconscious trickery? I'm at a loss on how to help him now.

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      This is called a false awakening. He can verify the false awakenings before he gets kicked out of the dream by doing reality checks.

      I actually had a false awakening this morning for the 3rd-4th time. I hate it. But yea if he hears his Mom yelling for him or knocking at the door, or let alone anyone. Do reality checks. Also have him do reality checks in real life when these situations happen. So if he is awake in his room and his Mom knocks on the door tell him to do a reality check. If she is yelling for him then have him do a reality checks.

      It'll get his sub-conscious use to doing reality checks when he dreams of similar situations.
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      I don't think they're false awakenings. Something happens that makes him think he needs to wake up instantly, and he wakes himself up. Though I'll certainly tell him to keep doing reality checks if it happens again, its a definite possibility.

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      hmmm, you're right doesn't sound like falso awakening. Similar things happen to me when I feel a connection to the real world, but there usually really is a connection (like the phone is ringing). This might help him, tell him to try to include the tricks in his dreams. For example, if he hears someone knocking on the door, instead of waking up to answer it in real life answer one of the doors in your dream. That may distract you from the trick. Hope it helps !
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      Interesting idea, I'll let him know. Thanks for the response.

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      I have had this happen to me before. It's a tough one. I was in a dream and lucid. A certain DC was doing something sneaky so I wanted to get her to answer my questions. All of a sudden I heard my morning alarm go off--I ALMOST woke myself up, but then I remembered that I had recently changed my alarm to a different sound, having gotten tired of the old one. So I went back to the DC and demanded to know why she tried to wake me up. Unfortunately she glared at me, and I woke up anyway.


      Your friend has already done 90% of the hard work. He's gotten lucid. The thing is, a lot of times people figure that once they're lucid, they don't need to keep RCing or keep thinking. Getting lucid is the first and hardest step to be sure. But you always want make a habit of making sure that your awareness stays with you throughout the dream. It is very hard to not wake up when you think you hear your alarm, or your phone ringing or what have you. When you become lucid, it is best to keep yourself calm and prevent yourself from acting on instinct. When you see or hear something and think you must wake, just tell yourself "I'm lucid so I can wake whenever I need to. Let's stay here for another minute and see what happens." When the false flags cease, you know that they were dream-related and you can continue on. If they're real, then you don't need to wake yourself up because the outside world will do it for you anyway.

      I know it may seem like a frustrating answer, but with all things dreaming you just have to practice, practice, practice when it comes to getting lucid, staying in the dream, and dream contol.

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      Nice, that's good advice for him as well as myself. Seems in those first few lucids so much is going on in the mind its difficult to think about awareness and control. Maybe when I RC from now on I'll start reminding myself not to act so instinctually. Thanks a lot.

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      sometimes people hit a mental barrier, and are simply unwilling to face what the dream may be telling them.
      It's also when someone tries to "control" the dreams that the dream source will sometimes remind us that we are not the masters of the universe.

      Enter the trickster.

      It is a great little dream character.
      I suggest getting to know it, and keep a lucid eye out to finding it's hidden messages.
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