Thread: I need some help figuring out these dreams.

Look at the past posts on this, & see if you can figure it out....& if that doesn't work, go into my profile, & click on the link that says, "View Dream Journal".

I really can't see a conection here, and also I dont know you and your life well enough to judge and point out what this could be exactly, also there is nothing concrete here, everything is jumbled, it seems like radical dreamlets here, where random thoughts of the subconscious invade your dreams...also I have read O'nus post to you here and it seems to make very good sence...and perhaps there is something going on behind the scenes of your life that you are not recognizing yourself, leaving you to gallop to the dreaming world..with no real foucus or no real meaning, its something we all have experienced.honestly some dreams just dont have meanings and, its becuase we are just overencombered by our everyday lives, that we end up dreaming of radical thoughts and images, that make no sence what so ever..we are overburdened by our own thoughts that our dreams end up to be jumbled and mixed...
I think this is very normal and , since you are young, you will probably experience this alot and its because your still learning yourself and growing in such a way , that you can't yet grasp your inner worlds until you have reached a point of outer and inner awareness of yourself and the world around you..
I give you credit though at least your trying, and most young people could care less, and I respect that about you...so keep doing what your doing and don't freak out, your goiing through major changes and so are your inner worlds, they will appear to make sence one day and the next not at all, this happens to us all..

when I am gazing at my unconscious duplicate, I see it right next to it. I also saw my Fire Emblem book, & the time, which said 2:15 AM. When I wake up,[/b]

what do you mean by this???
you must be in a higher state of awereness to see such things and if you do see such things, its either becuase your in a higher lucidity state,obe,astral realms or you are having illusions from the power of your own mind...????

Originally posted by lilacsky

when I am gazing at my unconscious duplicate, I see it right next to it. I also saw my Fire Emblem book, & the time, which said 2:15 AM. When I wake up,

what do you mean by this???
you must be in a higher state of awereness to see such things and if you do see such things, its either becuase your in a higher lucidity state,obe,astral realms or you are having illusions from the power of your own mind...????[/b]

I mean, I have an unconscious duplicate, & that anything that I see in here is happening in reality, or it is a real place that I am sight-seeing. There is more where that came from. Higher LD state? Cool!! I guess that when you are indeed in a very high LD state, you can remote view, even word-for-word in an open packet!!

Originally posted by nesgirl119


No, I usually see it when I get up out of bed, & then look in it!

You see clones of yourself after you wake up and look into them - is that right?

Im confused.....lol

Originally posted by O'nus


You see clones of yourself after you wake up and look into them - is that right?

Not quite... I only have 1 duplicate, & I see her only in a Sci-fi. My friends also each have a duplicate, too. The duplicate is most often found in the bedroom, though. I think that is an advantage, though, since she does represent me in my PJs, & same w/my friends' duplicates!

Nesgirl, Im just curious what is your methods of teaching ld's???
and how do you approach them with your people that you have adopted?

Originally posted by lilacsky
Nesgirl, Im just curious what is your methods of teaching ld's???
and how do you approach them with your people that you have adopted?

WILDs usually, b/c that is the only technique that I can use, b/c I get insomnia w/o it. So do you know what kind of Dreams these Sci-fis are?

hmm, well if the dreams persist, perhaps than I can help you, but I am still unclear of the motives of your dreaming launguage, and that takes time, however with most people I can point out connections of symbols and other common images and put them together to come up with an answer, there is much going on with these dreams..Ill have to read much more about your sci fi's..

Originally posted by lilacsky
hmm, well if the dreams persist, perhaps than I can help you, but I am still unclear of the motives of your dreaming launguage, and that takes time, however with most people I can point out connections of symbols and other common images and put them together to come up with an answer, there is much going on with these dreams..Ill have to read much more about your sci fi's..

Well, they have been going on for a while (a year & 1/2). Also, I find these ones to be slightly different from other LDs....I mean, I know that I am dreaming (then again, sometimes I think that I am dreaming when I am in real life). Here is a topic that will tell you a little about the Sci-fis: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....t=14935&start=0

According to this post you just gave me the link to you seem to have everything figured out already....
????
Well Ill be here in the future if you need me, but please be specific and clear on what your trying to get across , otherwise I probably won't be able to help you, okay..
in the meantime you need to address your innerself and even your dreams by asking them what these episodes mean, and what signifigance they have

Originally posted by lilacsky
According to this post you just gave me the link to you seem to have everything figured out already....
????
Well Ill be here in the future if you need me, but please be specific and clear on what your trying to get across , otherwise I probably won't be able to help you, okay..
in the meantime you need to address your innerself and even your dreams by asking them what these episodes mean, and what signifigance they have

That is something that I am still working on...if you want to help me out, you can PM me again.

Well, I have asked a few people, but if they are not in white robes, they tend to ignore me. Michelle(she is a real person) tries to tell me that they aren't dreams (we are both in the same dream, & sometimes Cody is there, too!), but I totally don't believe her, b/c I tell her how it is impossible to fly & have an unconscious duplicate in real life.

Sci-fi FAQs *
1) What is a sci-fi? *

a) Abbreviation for science fiction, & in this case, it is a very special type of dream. *

2) What are the differences between a sci-fi & an LD? *

B) Real time, places, & events are the same as in reality. *

3) What makes it like a dream? *

c) There are 2 of you in the sci-fi. The main you, which is in the white robe, & the secondary you, or your duplicate is unconscious on your bed. You cannot touch matter w/o going through it, & people will ignore you if they are not in the white robe. *

4) What does the Blue/Pink/Purple sash stand for? *

d) Well, in my opinion, it kind of helps lead you back to your bed, as it extends & ends at the bedroom. Rumors also have it that it stands for your life, or something..This also has an emergency trigger on it, that will send you rushing back to your bedroom. *

5) Why do they start in bed? *

e) Well, b/c they always start off like a FA. Must be b/c of that restraint. *

6) Is there more than 1 type of sci-fi? *

f) Yes....there are 2 ways of sci-fi'ing: Unintended Sci-fi's & Pressured Sci-fis. *

7) What is an Unintended Sci-fi? *

g) it is when you have a sci-fi when you don't expect to have one! *

8 ) What is a Pressured Sci-fi? *

h) it is when you force yourself to have a sci-fi (by using SP to help you). Pushing yourself out of bed is a Pressured Sci-fi. *

9) Why can I not wake up unless I go BTB? *

i) It seems to vary within individuals. Most of the time, it is b/c you are somehow lacking the energy needed to awaken. Some people can use their sashes to go back, & some can teleport back. *

10) Can I walk into someone's dream through a sci-fi? *

j) Yes....but enter at your own risk, b/c you are entering foreign territory. *

11) How do you sci-fi? *

k) Put yourself into the SP position, then struggle & push. You should be shaking hard & feel slightly staticy. Eventually, you'll push yourself into the sci-fi. That is the Pressured Sci-fi, & there is no method to the unintentional sci-fi, but it can happen to Dream Sages & Administrators eventually. *

12) Why do people ignore me? *

l) For some reason, they don't notice you. The only way to get them to is to walk into their dreams, or go to a guy that has 4-d sight. *

13) I cannot eat in someone else's dream! What is wrong?! *

m) It seems that the effect doesn't go away, b/c you cannot eat in another's dream. *

14) Why are my friends in the white robe & have 2 of them? *

n) They must be having a sci-fi, too. Have fun w/them *

15) Wow! I saw my great Grandpa.....but I thought that he was dead? *

o) Communication w/the dead is very common in sci-fis. Happens all the time. The key difference is that their sash does not extend like yours. *

16) What dream acronyms would you combine here? *

p) WILD, FA, & Real Life [/b]

Well by the looks of this you seem to have them figured out, I don't know what you need help with???

Originally posted by lilacsky

Sci-fi FAQs *
1) What is a sci-fi? *

a) Abbreviation for science fiction, & in this case, it is a very special type of dream. *

2) What are the differences between a sci-fi & an LD? *

B) Real time, places, & events are the same as in reality. *

3) What makes it like a dream? *

c) There are 2 of you in the sci-fi. The main you, which is in the white robe, & the secondary you, or your duplicate is unconscious on your bed. You cannot touch matter w/o going through it, & people will ignore you if they are not in the white robe. *

4) What does the Blue/Pink/Purple sash stand for? *

d) Well, in my opinion, it kind of helps lead you back to your bed, as it extends & ends at the bedroom. Rumors also have it that it stands for your life, or something..This also has an emergency trigger on it, that will send you rushing back to your bedroom. *

5) Why do they start in bed? *

e) Well, b/c they always start off like a FA. Must be b/c of that restraint. *

6) Is there more than 1 type of sci-fi? *

f) Yes....there are 2 ways of sci-fi'ing: Unintended Sci-fi's & Pressured Sci-fis. *

7) What is an Unintended Sci-fi? *

g) it is when you have a sci-fi when you don't expect to have one! *

8 ) What is a Pressured Sci-fi? *

h) it is when you force yourself to have a sci-fi (by using SP to help you). Pushing yourself out of bed is a Pressured Sci-fi. *

9) Why can I not wake up unless I go BTB? *

i) It seems to vary within individuals. Most of the time, it is b/c you are somehow lacking the energy needed to awaken. Some people can use their sashes to go back, & some can teleport back. *

10) Can I walk into someone's dream through a sci-fi? *

j) Yes....but enter at your own risk, b/c you are entering foreign territory. *

11) How do you sci-fi? *

k) Put yourself into the SP position, then struggle & push. You should be shaking hard & feel slightly staticy. Eventually, you'll push yourself into the sci-fi. That is the Pressured Sci-fi, & there is no method to the unintentional sci-fi, but it can happen to Dream Sages & Administrators eventually. *

12) Why do people ignore me? *

l) For some reason, they don't notice you. The only way to get them to is to walk into their dreams, or go to a guy that has 4-d sight. *

13) I cannot eat in someone else's dream! What is wrong?! *

m) It seems that the effect doesn't go away, b/c you cannot eat in another's dream. *

14) Why are my friends in the white robe & have 2 of them? *

n) They must be having a sci-fi, too. Have fun w/them *

15) Wow! I saw my great Grandpa.....but I thought that he was dead? *

o) Communication w/the dead is very common in sci-fis. Happens all the time. The key difference is that their sash does not extend like yours. *

16) What dream acronyms would you combine here? *

p) WILD, FA, & Real Life

Well by the looks of this you seem to have them figured out, I don't know what you need help with???[/b]

It is b/c some people have told me that they are not dreams, including one that I have them with. She knows of my weakness (my weakness is that sometimes in real time, I sometimes think that I am asleep, when really, I am awake).
I need to know opinions of most people here, b/c some people here tell me that they are not dreams. I tell them that it must be some sort of remote viewing....or something?

Please allow me to speculate a bit, nesgirl. I feel that you realize that all of the signs and occurances that you are seeing in your "dreams" are indicative of OBE's. Having an unconscious duplicate in your bed, after experiencing a paralysis, and finally a feeling of removal and seeing yourself in your bed would indicate that you have left your body, and because you are not in your body, no one can wake you, you are not there to wake. Do you understand what I'm saying? If you are in a regular LD, you would not be able to consciously read a clock in your room and be correct about it. If you were outside your body in an OBE, you could.

I'm not saying I even believe in OBE's, but from everything I know about them, your description fits the bill. I even get this feeling that you yourself may even believe they are OBE's but don't wish to admit it on this board so as to avoid being scorned, and would rather have other people verify it themselves. You even seem to leave hints over and over such as "how could there be an unconscious duplicate of me if it's not a dream," as if waiting for someone to explain how that happens in OBE's. Also, same with the sash. And as for not being able to walk, how could you? If you are out of your body, you would not have legs to implement. If it were a dream, you could do anything you want, being lucid that is. Floating around, and through objects, that's something an immaterial soul/spirit could do after leaving a body.

Feel free to blast me after this. But I've done a fair amount of psychological studies and it just keeps striking me that you are almost playing a game about this, waiting for people to verify these as OBE's. You seem smart, so I don't think that you would simply ignore logic, which, when you weigh the evidence of OBE vs. LD, would clearly show that the signs point clearly to an OBE.

If I'm wrong about something, let me know. You've just made me curious with your ambiguous statements and replies. If you really are steadfast that these are dreams, and are afraid to accept them as something "paranormal", try to work on relaxation exercises and convince yourself that everything is safe. I don't think I've ever heard of any young, healthy person dying in their sleep with no explanation, so I don't think you'd be the first. I think you should take the sash off, personally. If it were a dream, and you took it off, it would pretty much rule out the possibility of an OBE, which characteristically has something linking the body and the soul. If you try this and we don't hear from you for awhile, well....

Originally posted by Matchbook
Please allow me to speculate a bit, nesgirl. *I feel that you realize that all of the signs and occurances that you are seeing in your \"dreams\" are indicative of OBE's. *Having an unconscious duplicate in your bed, after experiencing a paralysis, and finally a feeling of removal and seeing yourself in your bed would indicate that you have left your body, and because you are not in your body, no one can wake you, you are not there to wake. *Do you understand what I'm saying? *If you are in a regular LD, you would not be able to consciously read a clock in your room and be correct about it. *If you were outside your body in an OBE, you could.

I'm not saying I even believe in OBE's, but from everything I know about them, your description fits the bill. *I even get this feeling that you yourself may even believe they are OBE's but don't wish to admit it on this board so as to avoid being scorned, and would rather have other people verify it themselves. *You even seem to leave hints over and over such as \"how could there be an unconscious duplicate of me if it's not a dream,\" as if waiting for someone to explain how that happens in OBE's. *Also, same with the sash. *And as for not being able to walk, how could you? *If you are out of your body, you would not have legs to implement. *If it were a dream, you could do anything you want, being lucid that is. *Floating around, and through objects, that's something an immaterial soul/spirit could do after leaving a body.

Feel free to blast me after this. *But I've done a fair amount of psychological studies and it just keeps striking me that you are almost playing a game about this, waiting for people to verify these as OBE's. *You seem smart, so I don't think that you would simply ignore logic, which, when you weigh the evidence of OBE vs. LD, would clearly show that the signs point clearly to an OBE.

If I'm wrong about something, let me know. *You've just made me curious with your ambiguous statements and replies. *If you really are steadfast that these are dreams, and are afraid to accept them as something \"paranormal\", try to work on relaxation exercises and convince yourself that everything is safe. *I don't think I've ever heard of any young, healthy person dying in their sleep with no explanation, so I don't think you'd be the first. *I think you should take the sash off, personally. *If it were a dream, and you took it off, it would pretty much rule out the possibility of an OBE, which characteristically has something linking the body and the soul. *If you try this and we don't hear from you for awhile, well....

Well, I still don't understand how I can see my friends, & how they are also in the white robes & sashes, & just like me, they leave out books & read them, as they cannot wait to see what happens next. Why are there duplicates of them, too?? Also, they have a sash that also leads back to their bedroom. One time when I tugged on the sash to try to remove it, it just bounced me back into bed, so there is no real way to remove it, at least that is what my friend, Splash says, b/c she has them, too. We do have legs, but we cannot touch the ground...it is as if it is a holigram.... I am not sure of what exactly this is....I really don't want to think that I am dead & that my spirit is gone. However, there is possibility of RVing... Also, I do know that I am dreaming, but then again, in real life, sometimes I think I am dreaming, too!

BTW, if you want to know about Splash, she is a friend of mine that is an expert of LDing, & I finally got her to join my website, & actually post in my miniforum, but it'll take alot of people to convince her to join, b/c like me, she had bad experiences. She lives in Utah, like I do....but she so totally rox!!!