Thread: Sara's journey to lucidity

dreams of debt now that is scary stuff even worse that the amount keeps increasing!

Did you find you woke up stressed after that?

11.500 is indeed an interesting number. I think often numbers refer to years as that's probably where we use them most when thinking about ourselves. Perhaps this number refers to when you were 11 and a half. Or something 11.5 years ago.

Don't know if there's any significance that 11500 is 500 times 23 (you mention 500) and that the number 23 is important???

Originally Posted by mark

dreams of debt now that is scary stuff even worse that the amount keeps increasing!

Did you find you woke up stressed after that?

No, fortunately I wasn't stressed, but I did have an uneasy feeling when waking, more disappointing (feeling like a failure) than stress.

Originally Posted by Burned up

11.500 is indeed an interesting number. I think often numbers refer to years as that's probably where we use them most when thinking about ourselves. Perhaps this number refers to when you were 11 and a half. Or something 11.5 years ago.

Don't know if there's any significance that 11500 is 500 times 23 (you mention 500) and that the number 23 is important???

Hmm, 11,5 years ago, I was almost 14... I really don't know what happened to me at that age, neither do I know what was important when I was 11,5... I'm going to think about this a bit more...

My schedule of staying up till 4:30 seems to do magic! A stunning 3 WILDs in 10 minutes

LaBerge
vision: 2/10
control: 0/10
noise 9/10

I lay down, feeling very tired. I get some HI about a LaBerge, presumably because I watched a youtube video just before going to bed. I feel the SP coming up very fast and try to remain conscious, which is not hard any more when the noise starts... I imagine the noise being the sound of the wind when I'm flying, but the noise is very loud, so I start flying very fast! I lift off of my bed, though the ceiling into the sky. Very fast, I travel through the stars until I reach a black mountain with white lights. Just as I think it would be nice to relax and let the noise stop, I bounce back to earth. I drop into a laboratory. A man lies on a bed and a doctor stands next to him. The doctor wants to put electrical wires into the eyes of the sleeping? man on the bed. It's horrible and I don't want to watch, but can't close my eyes cause I know I'm already looking through my eyelids. I fight to wake up, feel my breath and pfew, I am awake

Feeling was a bit blurred, but good enough to see some details. The noise was very loud, but it was less than last time and I did not have too much trouble enduring it (although this was definitely not the kind of lucid I like to have)

OK, that was a good start for the night. I felt my body was still numb, lets try again but now with positive thoughts (grass, green, relax)

flying over a city
vision: 3/10
control: 1/10
noise: 8/10

I drift off immediately into SP (less than 30 secs) and imagine myself flying. I do some air-spinning to get rid of the feeling of my body in bed and again, leave through the ceiling. I shout to myself 'I'm dreaming, I'm dreaming' so I won't loose lucidity while going through the ceiling. I fly, still with the noise, but not as fast as before. I go through the clouds and look down. I know I'm flying to Disneyland and I see a huge castle when I look down. The image is not very stable, but the view is really amazing, all those lights and large buildings I can see!
I descent into a street and a house, where I crash into the wall.


FA
vision: 3/10
control: 4/10
noise: 7/10

I thought I woke up, but it was an FA and I'm still laying in my bed. I struggle to get up and finally get myself out of the bed. It's amazing how well my mind knows in which location my body fell asleep. I walk into the living room, see a light switch and try to turn it on. I 'hope' it works, but then of course it doesn't, because I was not convinced I say 'light' but without the conviction it will work, so it remains dark Then the cat walks into the room, I hear its footsteps and I wake up for real.

The previous 2 nights when I went to bed this late and feeling this tired, I had a great DILD after writing down my first not-so-great lucid story. So, off to bed again, I'm going to try a 'task of the month'!

Originally Posted by Sara

My schedule of staying up till 4:30 seems to do magic! A stunning 3 WILDs in 10 minutes

You rock. Clairity watch out - we may have a new star WILDer up and coming!

Yeah, your good at the Wilds. I can get into them pretty easy, but I can't stay in them the way you can. You could be Lucid every time you go to sleep like that!

I liked the laughing dream. I had one not all that long ago, where I was laughing pretty hard too.

And flying to the stars was great! Something else I was never able to manage.

I know what you mean about the amazing view. I've decided that's one of my favorite things about my Lucid Dreams.
The landscapes are just incredible. I always just want to go back there and explore it some more.

Originally Posted by raklet

You rock. Clairity watch out - we may have a new star WILDer up and coming!

Hehe, that's sweet of you to say. I greatly admire Clairity, she has wonderful lucid dreams in her journal and almost 10 years of experience with LD

Originally Posted by Caradon

Yeah, your good at the Wilds. I can get into them pretty easy, but I can't stay in them the way you can. You could be Lucid every time you go to sleep like that!

yeah, well, it happened 3 times now and I think this wasn't the last time... I just wished the dreams were as good as they sound from the description. What I must stress, is that there is really a lot of noise, vague imaging and no controll at all. I don't have a solution yet for how to stop the noise

I really prefer quality over quantity, so I would rather have 1 bright and happy DILD than 10 WILDs like this
This time was already a bit better than the previous times, so I hope to improve slowly over time, till I can get rid of the noise and improve my vision.

I liked the laughing dream. I had one not all that long ago, where I was laughing pretty hard too.

Cool! Did you write it in your journal? I'm going to look for it

Originally Posted by Sara

What I must stress, is that there is really a lot of noise, vague imaging and no controll at all. I don't have a solution yet for how to stop the noise

You are not the only one. I suffer from this in all of my lucids. The noise especially bothers me. When I become lucid, I can hear the noise of my outside environment (furnace, people breathing, dogs barking, etc). The noise more than anything always wakes me up.

.......

WOW!! sara you are getting so good at this! ...I must admit im a little envious

I love that flying in the stars! That is something I have always wanted to do but never been able to

Yeah, I think you will get better at it with practice. I can't be sure, but I think the noise is just a stage that you can pass through. I often get strange sounds as I wild into sleep too. but not quite so much as you describe. Every now and then I'll have someone shout my name in my mind and startle me awake. That's always strange.

Tnx Caradon.
Yesterday I found a topic about passing through SP and it was mentioned that 'thinking too much' can cause you to keep stuck in SP. Maybe that's my problem too, thinking to consiously about 'relaxing' and therefore it doesn't work.
I'm having a cold + troat ache, so breathing feels uncomfortable which means no WILDs for now.

Some dream fragments:

irwin theory
My friend and I are working on an instructional video for horse owners. We were making a video or photo for our program and I noticed that her position/body shape is not 100% correct according to our theory, but I decide not to tell... (this is the same IRL too, funny that I dream about it the night before we start filming, I think I'd better tell her about it today, since it kind of bothers me, but I'm not comfortable telling her...)

Valerio
I'm on a highway, or just beside the highway and want to go to a building where food is being served. In order to cross the highway, you need to put a little oil and washing powder on it :S Cause that makes it sticky, otherwise you cannot move. There are also machines that distribute small amounts of oil and washing powder on the road...

I managed to get to the building. My boyfriends mother and father are getting food and some more people are joining us. I think it's very generous of them to buy us all food. Everyone gets a plate with chips, meat and some other stuff, but I have nothing because I'm too late We have to go back to our own 'room', which is more like a cubicle and I walk there next to VALERIO. Hehe, have been wanting to see him in my dream, cause I think he's very cute. (Valerio is a Dutch celebrity click for picture) Unfortunately, he is not nice at all to me I take one of his chips from his plate and he gets angry about that. And the chips didn't even taste good I'd better be lucid next time I see him

Well, that's as much recall I get after jumping out of my bed as soon as the alarm rings

Originally Posted by Sara

My boyfriends mother and father are getting food and some more people are joining us. I think it's very generous of them to buy us all food. Everyone gets a plate with chips, meat and some other stuff

For "other stuff", I hope they were serving drop, stroop waffle, and nasi / bami. Yummy, I love those things!

Originally Posted by raklet

For "other stuff", I hope they were serving drop, stroop waffle, and nasi / bami. Yummy, I love those things!

Haha, you like these dutch foods?
I had bami yesterday and I eat dropjes all the time, they are good for a sore throat.

In my afternoon-nap, I had a 20 seconds lucid part just before I woke up
I have recently bought a baby rat and put her in a large box together with one of my older rats. They were fighting a bit, but were quiet when I took my nap.

Fighting rats
I heard my rats scream, I take a look and my baby rat had his tail bitten off and she was covered with blood! This was so odd, I became lucid and tried to wake myself up, but I had a FA, thought 'pfew, that was just a dream, check my rats again' but then he was wounded in other places and had deformed feet. I was lucid again, but then I woke up for real

The rats are OK now no lost tails or blood

Originally Posted by Sara

Haha, you like these dutch foods?
I had bami yesterday and I eat dropjes all the time, they are good for a sore throat.

In my afternoon-nap, I had a 20 seconds lucid part just before I woke up
I have recently bought a baby rat and put her in a large box together with one of my older rats. They were fighting a bit, but were quiet when I took my nap.

Fighting rats
I heard my rats scream, I take a look and my baby rat had his tail bitten off and she was covered with blood! This was so odd, I became lucid and tried to wake myself up, but I had a FA, thought 'pfew, that was just a dream, check my rats again' but then he was wounded in other places and had deformed feet. I was lucid again, but then I woke up for real

The rats are OK now no lost tails or blood

you have rats! lol I had some once but they escaped and started running round peoples homes

Another lucid lol you are a natural!

Originally Posted by Sara

Haha, you like these dutch foods?
I had bami yesterday and I eat dropjes all the time, they are good for a sore throat.

Love them and more. Chocolate letters, marzipan, pudding (can't remember its name), and yes dropjes. I'm the only American I know that actually likes salted licorice. Most people think it is disgusting (they are crazy).

Originally Posted by mark

you have rats! lol I had some once but they escaped and started running round peoples homes

Another lucid lol you are a natural!

Whaha, my rats used to run around my room all the time. That is until they started destroying my electrical wires and other valuable things.

Me natural? No, me a little sleep deprived, I guess

Originally Posted by raklet

Love them and more. Chocolate letters, marzipan, pudding (can't remember its name), and yes dropjes. I'm the only American I know that actually likes salted licorice. Most people think it is disgusting (they are crazy).

Haha, you are the first American I know who likes that. I prefer the sweeter kind of drop, but I can eat 'dubbelzout' as well.
Do you have Dutch family members? Or how come you know all these foods?

I bought Oreo cookies last week in a UK/USA shop in Utrecht. Plus a jar with Marshmellow fluff And I'm a fan of 'american style' peanut butter

Oh, my dream journal is getting more and more off-topic
Some on-topic info: I tried to watch the movie 'waking life' yesterday night, but it was SO weird... I just had to turn it off after 5 minutes, because the image was too jumpy.

Originally Posted by Sara

Haha, you are the first American I know who likes that. I prefer the sweeter kind of drop, but I can eat 'dubbelzout' as well.
Do you have Dutch family members? Or how come you know all these foods?

My parents both lived in Holland for a couple of years. They shared a love of the culture and the food with us as kids growing up. They both speak Dutch, but they never taught it to us. But I could always tell when they were talking about us kids in Dutch (and it was usually because we were in trouble and they were discussing our punishment!)

Peanut Butter and Marshmallow Fluff....yummmm. Oreos, I don't like so well. I'll send you a recipe for a cookie that you can make out of peanut butter. You'll love it.

Sorry, but your thread has been

I never heard of any of those foods! Wow rats! That was funny what Mark said about his rats lol.

Hope your feeling better soon!

Not feeling better now, but I slept a long time (8hrs) with many dreams and had an animal attack in one of them too, LOL. I was attacked by a big white rat (see last dream)

Just a quick note, cause I still feel a bit fuzzy...
*edit: sorry, I can't keep my notes short, I fully worked out all dreams *

Airport escape
I'm with a man who wants to escape, I think he's being followed by the police. There's no need for me to run or hide, I even want to turn myself in to the police and tell I didn't do anything, but escaping feels adventurous, so I join him on his way out. He is a hacker and cracks the security codes of the doors so we can get onto the landing platform. First I think we're going to hi-jack an air plane, but we run towards a car and jump in. The airport is more like an oval racing track and I notice we are going the opposite direction of everybody else. I say to him this will get us noticed by the police! And there they are, coming from everywhere... The man drives the car over the centre of the track into the right direction and then passes through a gate. We are safe, pfew!

Cycling/walking tour in France
I'm cycling in the countryside in France. It's nice warm weather and not many people are around. I remember seeing the map of our tour and think 'wow, that's a long trip, I don't know if I have energy to cycle all the way'. Our planned tour is going to a city (guess it's Tours) then some path along the highway back. I complain about the way back, being a non-attractive road to follow. I don't know who is with me (maybe my mother?) but we stop in a small village. I remember there's an old lady standing in a corner between 2 houses.
Suddenly we are not cycling anymore, but are inside a building. A teacher comes to us and tells about how her children running around everywhere and we need to take care of them. I feel happy to do so, but I can't see any of them.

First ride on a horse
Instead of children, there are several young horses. It's the horses from France.... (my friend, who is still in France, told me yesterday which of the young horses she takes to to start next summer, leaving all the difficult ones for me ) Another guy from France is already riding his horse and I don't want to look incapable, so I climb onto the big chestnut horse. She bends her head towards me when I'm on her back, she's very nice to me. I start riding around a bit, being very soft for her. I get off and later I tell my friend I've been on her back. She's a bit shocked about this, cause this horse had never been saddled before and riding around would be way to much for this first day.
Next day she gets on this chestnut horse and says 'wow, it's the first time anyone is on her back'. I think how wonderful it was that I've already been riding around with this mare.

Delicious ice cream

Maybe this is follow up on the cycling tour, but I'm all alone now. I'm in Holland, cycling on a long, flat, straight road. (as opposed to the hills in France ) I stop at a small building. First it looks like a kind of entrance to a railway station, but I figure out it's an ice cream shop and they have the most delicious flavours! It's hard to make a decision... I take one with red cooked pears (a typical Dutch side dish in winter). The lady takes really big scoops, I'm happy with that. She wants to give me strawberry as a second scoop, but I tell her I don't like strawberry ice cream, so she gives me a scoop with lots of forest fruits. It's more fruit than ice cream, but it smells and tastes delicous!
I don't get much time to enjoy my ice cream, cause I find myself back on the bike
Somehow this ice cream story repeats itself... I'm in another ice cream shop, but I take the same flavours. Weird...

Animal attack in the horse stable (follow up on the ice cream dream)
I'm back on the bike again. I stop at a small building and see a movie in my head (like a premonition) that this building is going to explode. I park my bike outside the building and go inside. It's a small horse stable, with 3 stalls that look more like rooms in a house. There is a 'kitchen-stall' a 'living room-stall' and a 'bedroom-stall'. I wonder how these horses can walk around so easily, cause the corridors are very narrow.

When I'm in the centre of the corridors, a brown rat passes me, he wants to escape (I think he feels what's going to happen). Then there is a big, fat white rat, a bit bigger than a football (and equally round, haha) He doesn't want to escape, but blames me for something and want to attack. I think 'ah, it's just a rat, he can't do much', but he jumps up and bites in my hand! It hurts a little bit, not as much as you would expect from a rat this size. I kick the rat and it disappears.

I go into the kitchen-stall, do something with the equipment, place something there which is supposed to be exploding soon and I leave the house. Now I remember about this premonition, it was ME who was going to make the building! I quickly take my bike and cycle away as fast as I can, but I can't go fast, like when you're running in your dream and can't move I look back, hoping to see the building explode, but nothing happens. I'm both relieved and disappointed...
My boyfriend calls me and I wake up.

Originally Posted by raklet

My parents both lived in Holland for a couple of years. They shared a love of the culture and the food with us as kids growing up. They both speak Dutch, but they never taught it to us. But I could always tell when they were talking about us kids in Dutch (and it was usually because we were in trouble and they were discussing our punishment!)

Hehehe, yeah, kids are really smart on that
Too bad they didn't teach you any Dutch

Originally Posted by Caradon

I never heard of any of those foods! Wow rats! That was funny what Mark said about his rats lol.

Hope your feeling better soon!

Thanks Caradon.

Since my DJ seems to be a bit off-topic already and talking about foods makes me dream about foods, here are some pictures of typically dutch specialities

Drop, stroopwafel, chocolade letters and vla (I guess that's the pudding Raklet was talking about)

Yes! Vla, that's it.

The dream with the horses was beautiful. I could picture the chestnut, feel its muscular flesh under my fingers, and remember how horses smell. I like the smell of leather and sweaty horse flesh.

I had the best LD ever in my 15 minute nap

AND I completed the basic LTOTM right in the last seconds...

I was watching 'Waking life' on my laptop. At noon I was halfway, but got tired and thought 'well, let's have my nap a little early and try some WILD'. I didn't get a chance, because I was falling asleep within the count of 40 (that's 20 breathings).

*added later: I rememberd I was teaching a girl about how to lead a horse. I did some simulation exercises, but she didn't get the point, then I got angry with her and left...*
Now I was outside a house, watching the cars go by. Then I was suddenly lying in bed, under the sheets. I felt as if I was in SP, with my boyfriend on top of me. I was like "WTF, he's making love to me while I'm sleeping and I can't move..." I really wanted to wake up and get him off, then I realised "no, silly, this is SP, you'd better try to WILD!" So I gave in with the feeling, I thought the SP-noise was starting, but then it faded again. My BF was still on top of me, making sounds like he was almost, ehhh, never mind and I also felt a bit aroused. Then I realised I was already dreaming! I managed to push him off and got up. My vision was not 100% clear, I had the feeling I was walking under a thin sheet, trying to pull it off to get more vision. I tried to focus on the fact that this was a dream and there was no sheet. Then I looked back at my boyfriend, who was still in bed. Hmm, I could have lucid sex, how would that be... Maybe I can even change him into a different person... I jumped on top of him and started kissing. It was a bit awkward kiss and it felt like his lips were really long.
Then we got up and stood beside the bed, still kissing. He put his arms around me, squeezing me a bit and I felt something pressing against my leg, indicating he probably liked the idea of lucid sex . But no, not this time, I have more important things to do

*added: when looking in the mirror, I remembered I had seen myself in a mirror in this dream. It was a quick look, just when passing by, but I looked pretty much the same as I normally do, only the expression on my face was different, it was as if there was another person looking at me instead of my reflection.*
My vision got better and better as I was walking through my bf's apartment. The rooms were different, but the funniest thing was there were those blue toilet-room tiles in all rooms halfway up the walls (like the bottom part of the walls). I started laughing about it, but quit when I realised this ruined my dream last time.

Again, looking for an escape route, I went to the window. I could see through the curtains and took a dive. I fell down and saw this was the same house I was dreaming about just moment ago! There were cars driving by, some on their side and I wanted to fly. Until now, I only flew down, not up, so I hoovered a bit just centimetres from the ground. As I continued, I managed to gain altitude, until I was flying about 5 metres high (15ft, for those non-metric people around here ). I loved to fly between the houses, it was like a real city I was flying through! But when I wanted to make a turn into another street, I couldn't... I tried on the next street, I almost bumped into a house, but continued flying.

Suddenly I remembered "ahhh, now I'm lucid, I have to try a 'task of the month' before it ends!" First I thought of the gender switch, but that would be to hard to do while flying, no mirrors around and no people to change body with. Then I thought of the turkey! Immediately, the village ended and I flew towards a small dirt road with bushes next to it. I saw a pheasant walking around and I landed next to him. Disappointed that it wasn't a turkey, I tried to get closer to him, while he was trying to run away. Slowly he transformed into a turkey. Loosing his colors, getting all gray and with a strange turkey-like head

I asked him: "wat vind jij van Thanksgiving? " (yeah, that's in Dutch, thought it would be nice to mention cause I have been questioning a lot whether I dream in Dutch or English)
The turkey murmured a bit, soft noises that a sad chicken makes (if you have chickens at home, you know what they sound like ). I was disappointed that he didn't really talk. I hoped that it wasn't neccessary to have him really talking to complete the task.
The turkey laid down, flat on his belly with his wings flat and to the side. His head rested on the ground and he turned it towards me, looking very sad He laid there like he was ready to be put in the oven... The last thing I saw, was that his beak had a metal edge.
Then I really wanted to wake up to write this all down and so I did
So, that was another 10 minutes spent lucid.

Way to go! Good job on that! The opening part about the boyfriend "smothering" you was hilarious.

Originally Posted by Sara

Airport escape

ha ha sara a fledgling fugitive lol like the dream sounds like it was fun!

Originally Posted by Sara

Cycling/walking tour in France

sounds like it would have been a very nice dream I bet the scenery was great.

Originally Posted by Sara

First ride on a horse

I cant say I know anything about horses but it sounds great! I bet the look on your friends face was funny

Originally Posted by Sara

Delicious ice cream

mmmm red pears look really nice! what do the taste of?

ah no way! you dont like strawberry ice cream...its one of my favs but I will give you credit for the forest fruit

Originally Posted by Sara

Animal attack in the horse stable

ha ha ha see caradons animals are also influencing your dreams I like the fat rat lol sounds funny especially when you kicked it


Ha!! get in there sara! you did the task! thats brilliant

I have been trying for months to do one lol. I felt sad for the turkey sounded like it was suicidal