^^ Well said, but I have to ask a couple of possibly off-topic questions:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
On the subject of forgetting lucids. Yes, of course it's possible. Just two nights ago I didn't remember an early-in-the-night lucid until the final morning waking.
But, doesn't that mean that you did remember the LD, in the end? And not only did you remember it, but its memory survived a nightful of subsequent dreaming... which sort of implies that the memory was fairly well recorded, all on its own... right?
... Many initial LDs tend to happen right before waking for the day in our last sleep cycle, and consciousness in these cases flows seamlessly from the dreaming to the waking state, and forgetting is almost impossible in these cases. But with experience, as LDs move earlier and earlier into the night, when we are less awake overall than in the late morning, it's easier to forget these as well, without the aid of a well-developed recall ability.
I've never heard of this, and certainly haven't experienced it myself (and I like to think I'm somewhat experienced); most of my substantial LD's, and certainly the most spectacular ones, still occur late in my sleep cycle, when conscious access is easiest.
Are you saying that, with experience, your LD's will occur earlier simply because you are having more of them? I suppose this makes some sense, on paper, but practice might prove otherwise: There would be exceptions, of course, but I think in the long run an experienced LD'er will tend to focus her LD scheduling on the times when she is most likely to have the best results with the least amount of effort, and with the most time available to dream (a time which, BTW, comes late in the sleep cycle when REM periods are long and frequent). Sure, she'll have a few impromptu DILD's early in the night, and sure, there are those among us who seek to stay lucid all night, but I would imagine that experienced LD'ers still enjoy their best stuff late in the sleep cycle.... so yes, an experienced LD'er might very likely have more early-night DILD's simply because they are mentally prepared for them, but I think that, with experience, those DILD's would take a back seat to the LD's that come later in the night.
All that said: I certainly have had plenty of early-night LD's, and have had no trouble remembering them upon waking (or, more curiously, inadvertently remembering them during the LD's -- and NLD's -- that occur after them). As you illustrated above (and Cooleymd did on that post he linked to above), even after a full night's sleep and dreams separate you from an early-night LD, you will probably still remember it. Also, I personally see no need to remember a LD immediately after it happens; so, if a memorable LD occurs early in my night, I will be content with letting it recede into memory while I enjoy the rest of my night's dreaming... it will likely be there waiting for me in the morning.
Please note that none of this has anything to do with your overall message about the importance of recall for LD'ing in general, all of which I agree with fully.
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