Thread: Any regular pot smokers on here

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

Did your doctor tell you it's harmless? Did a trained, respectable physician with years of study and experience dispense unto you the lovely notion of how harmless and good for society it is? Or do we get our facts from another one of those 'you-can't-keep-us-down' studies with a custom-tailored ideal sample population that comes from who in the hell knows?

The world would shut down if everyone smoked pot. Then you all would complain that no one else was paying for you to sit at home and get high. You can invent excuses as to why this is not true, but like many have said, smoking brings a high level of introspection. Perhaps if you would not focus on just yourselves for a moment and look at the bigger picture you would realize that not everyone is as 'capable' as the 'intellectuals' on this forum.

(Capable and intellectuals are both terms that are used lightly)

The number of people on dreamviews who get high is less than peanuts compared to the total high population.
For everyone one of you here doing very useful things, there are many junkies out there sitting on their asses not doing fuck-all, wasting their lives away. And of course it is the cool thing kids do nowadays to disrespect all authority and just assume that the government is out to give you cancer and steal your souls. Even though with our current president the government is going to run our lives more than ever, did you consider that maybe, just maybe, the government is NOT trying brainwash you in every single possible way and maybe there is some good intention? Don't be so vain guys.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

Nice move.

Since no one can return with a reply of any substance it just drives my point home even more. I'm not sure why everyone defends it so fiercely. I mean it's not like smoking pot ever had any integrity to begin with. And I'm not being a hater. I just wish people would crawl outside of the box and look at the sunshine a little bit. I know I'm not the boy inside the box because I am clearly in the vast minority here and I would not choose to be on the ass-end of everyone's remarks if I had not already thought the subject through completely.

Anyway, I realize that this is a dumb thing to argue over. It's not like this means anything to anyone and it's not as if I have a vested interest in any of your lives so I'm just going let it go. Have fun and good life to ya.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

This is NOT off-topic. The original subject of the thread was the marijuana plant and its effects. I think this is perfectly relevant. You might say it's not pertinent simply because you don't agree.

Dear supernova. My physician and scientist buddies also more recently discovered this:

An extremely recent study shows that marijuana actually is a cause of DNA damage and cancer.

http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/200...nked-to-cancer

Damn those scientists and their lousy proof. But have no fear. You don't have to worry about the deadly smoke and those annoying feelings that come with smoking the plant because...The active ingredient in marijuana has existed in pill form for decades! THC! The same exact chemical that is said to cut lung cancer tumor growth in half! Wow, imagine that. And you don't even get the other hundreds of chemicals.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html

As for the brain cancer cells thing, I'm not going to repost the same link twice. You don't have to smoke marijuana, which is proven to have negative health consequences, to get the vital THC that is inside. It is utter nonsense when there is a legal, more affective and non-habit forming/addictive method that is available. Thus there is no reason at all for marijuana to be made legal. Shame on you for using cancer patients as patsies to try and prove your point - The whole idea of smoking marijuana for any benefits to health is a complete farce.

And for the last thing you wrote, about 'not a gateway drug...' yeah that comes with some stipulations. Read the last paragraph.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study...rug-12116.html

All of the material you posted is outdated, and nearly all of it is completely proven false. Take a puff on that.

EDIT: And I will always trust trained professionals and scientific fact over the musings of the 'intellectuals' of this message board.

noodle your obviously a bitch that only know ppl who smoke as the ppl that you wont be friends with cause your to "good" of a person, you dont know ppl that smoke and how they are often the smartest ppl and in almost ALL cases extremely athletic, so fuck you dude all the stoners i know are very intelligent and/or great sports players
god why do ppl like you even talk you just piss off people who actually know something about it, ill admit that some people shouldnt smoke but they can and there's nothing wrong with it, so i end on the words
i proclaim you a bitch, straight out no other way to put it

Originally Posted by Ghost3DE

Smoke pot -

Take B5 -
Take B6 -
Take B12 -

Take Choline -

Dream Journel -

Job Done.

Smoke pot - $$$

Take B5 -$$$
Take B6 - $$$
Take B12 -$$$

Take Choline -$$$



Having lucid dreams despite not having any money in your wallet- Priceless




Jokes aside, I'll actually try to stay on topic for once.

Some people fail to mention the non-physical effects pot has on the lives of those who smoke it and those around them.


My parents nearly broke up over it, my dad doesn't work anymore because of it.

I came home a while ago to my dad and his stoner friend, baked off his ass, the house smelling of weed for hours after.

If I ever take a walk past the park, I see at least fifteen to twenty homeless potheads, preferring to sleep outside and beg for cash than to take a shower every day, to sleep in a home, to raise a loving family.



I'll say no more...

Easy just change the pot for opium when u wanna have lucids...you ll be surprised

Dream scientist.....words fail me.

All you've done is list some entirely subjective experiences that you've had with weed, and applied them to everyone.

So when you say "I'll say no more" what you mean is, "I won't mention the countless number of experiences people have with weed that don't involve divorce or homelessness or any other kind of bad shit that I assume weed must lead to because I'm an idiot who refuses to educate myself."

There are plenty of people who smoke weed who raise loving families and shower every day and whatever. And also, what the hell have you got against homeless people anyway? You're just assuming that these people choose to sleep outside? That they choose not to shower? You just assume its easy for them to decide 'Hey let's live in a house instead, I was only doing this because I love weed so much.' You are so ill-educated it's actually insulting.

I bet every one of those "potheads" you see in that park lead way more interesting lives than you clearly do. Sort yourself out you arrogant ****.

Don't patronize me. These are MY BELIEFS, nothing more! You have very valid points as well, but why are you parading them around here? Take part in an active debate if this is the way you feel. Use your energy to better society, not to quarrel over the internet. The aggression people go through in order to defend weed is reason enough for me that they should quit. But I digress. I'll try not to take any more part of this conversation, as it seems to aggravate you so much.

.....The point was your beliefs are clearly unfounded, ignorant, arrogant, and highly insulting. This is why I was angry. You've shown a complete lack of understanding of anything you mentioned. But to be fair, I'm actually more angry about your views on the homeless than anything.

Also your argument that people should quit weed because they're ready to defend it so vehemently really doesn't make any sense. Marijuana would have to be bad in the first place for that to work, and as we've proved time and time again, it really isn't. Certainly not as bad as some of you are making it out to be. Sure, there's a possibility for it to be used badly, but that's all down to the individual.

And plus....this isn't a debate? You argued your points, I argued mine, and then you tell me I'm not allowed to give my side after all? I guess I didn't realise this was the 'State what you believe and then act insulted when someone doesn't agree with you' thread.

Although I guess I could've turned down the insults a tad. I just have a low tolerance for ignorance. Though I stand by what I said and meant it all, I apologize for how I presented it.

bro i smoke pot like everyday, about an ounce every week.
i have very good recall though.
you need to have a dream journal for quite a time.
i usually wake up and dont remember shit, but like 5 mins later my dream randomly comes to me.

Originally Posted by Dream scientist

Smoke pot - $$$

Take B5 -$$$
Take B6 - $$$
Take B12 -$$$

Take Choline -$$$



Having lucid dreams despite not having any money in your wallet- Priceless




Jokes aside, I'll actually try to stay on topic for once.

Some people fail to mention the non-physical effects pot has on the lives of those who smoke it and those around them.


My parents nearly broke up over it, my dad doesn't work anymore because of it.

I came home a while ago to my dad and his stoner friend, baked off his ass, the house smelling of weed for hours after.

If I ever take a walk past the park, I see at least fifteen to twenty homeless potheads, preferring to sleep outside and beg for cash than to take a shower every day, to sleep in a home, to raise a loving family.



I'll say no more...

wow dude, so your saying potheads are losers?
pot doesnt do any (non-physical) damage on you.
pot doesnt make you a loser... YOU are a loser already, then you decide to smoke pot.
so your just a pot head loser thats all..
i know doctors, lawyers, and even some police that smoke pot.

Originally Posted by Dream scientist

Smoke pot - $$$

Take B5 -$$$
Take B6 - $$$
Take B12 -$$$

Take Choline -$$$



Having lucid dreams despite not having any money in your wallet- Priceless




Jokes aside, I'll actually try to stay on topic for once.

Some people fail to mention the non-physical effects pot has on the lives of those who smoke it and those around them.


My parents nearly broke up over it, my dad doesn't work anymore because of it.

I came home a while ago to my dad and his stoner friend, baked off his ass, the house smelling of weed for hours after.

If I ever take a walk past the park, I see at least fifteen to twenty homeless potheads, preferring to sleep outside and beg for cash than to take a shower every day, to sleep in a home, to raise a loving family.



I'll say no more...

My dad worked for one of the biggest Philadelphia engineering firms for over 11 years, after which he quit his very-well paying job there to do freelance design work so he could spend more time with me. He always managed to find projects and always got his work done on time, even if it ment staying up untill 3-4 in the morning several nights in a row. He smoked pot this whole time. Sound lazy to you? Actually, he stopped smoking recently, and he's been lazier than I've ever seen him before.

As for the homeless people, it sounds like you think they prefer to live that way, that they wouldn't give anythig to have a shower, a home, and a loving family, and furthermore that pot put them in the situation they are in. Please elaborate, because that is completely rediculous

Originally Posted by Dream scientist

Some people fail to mention the non-physical effects pot has on the lives of those who smoke it and those around them.

There are none.

My parents nearly broke up over it

No they probably almost broke up because of a failing marriage, not because of Marijuana. A wonderful scapegoat though.

my dad doesn't work anymore because of it.

Drug tested out? Because Marijuana will not make you lazy. That is an issue created from the illegal status not the actual plant..

I came home a while ago to my dad and his stoner friend, baked off his ass, the house smelling of weed for hours after.

Who cares? And people that smoke cigarettes make the house smell like tobacco. And people drinking make it smell like boos.. So?

If I ever take a walk past the park, I see at least fifteen to twenty homeless potheads, preferring to sleep outside and beg for cash than to take a shower every day, to sleep in a home, to raise a loving family.

They are not potheads, you just made that up. Are they saying please let me get a joint man... Yeah right.. They are probably either mentally disturbed or alcholics.. The two major homeless groups of beggars...

I'll say no more...

Ran out of things to make up?

Originally Posted by DeathCell

There are none.


No they probably almost broke up because of a failing marriage, not because of Marijuana. A wonderful scapegoat though.

Drug tested out? Because Marijuana will not make you lazy. That is an issue created from the illegal status not the actual plant..

Who cares? And people that smoke cigarettes make the house smell like tobacco. And people drinking make it smell like boos.. So?


They are not potheads, you just made that up. Are they saying please let me get a joint man... Yeah right.. They are probably either mentally disturbed or alcholics.. The two major homeless groups of beggars...




Ran out of things to make up?

DeathCell, even if you disagree with DreamScientist, don't you think it would make more sense to have a little compasion for what was obviously a difficult time for his family? whatever the cause was for the hard times, at least a bit of humanity when discussing it would probably be a better way to approach it.

You may not mean to, but you are coming across as aggressive in that last post, which isn't going to convince others of yoru argument, it'll probably do the exact opposite, which im sure isn't your intention.



My personal opinion with Weed, is that it is neither "the devils drug" nor is it "the perfect side-effect free drug". It has its fair share of problems if abused, but can also be reasonably harmless when used sparingly with a little sense.
Problem is, many people have problems with drawing the line with these things.

Neither alchohol or cannabis are essentially "bad" drugs, but as with anything that chemically alters your perceptions and mood, of course excessive use will skew your ability to think objectively about what you are doing.
There will be people who lose control and abuse substances... regardless of which substance it is.
Some substances will effect their lives more than others, whether they are physically addictive or not.

If something is altering your perceptions and emotions in a pronounced way (and certainly weed and booze do this), and you prefer the way that feeling feels to sober reality - and you then start using it to block out parts of your life that make you uneasy, rather than doing something change the cause of the problems... then whatever the drug, you've fallen victim to it. It's escapism.

Personally be it booze, weed, TV, gaming, prescription drugs, porn whatever form of escapism you choose... if you are choosing to do it during the daytime, at the expense of other things in your life and the people you should care about. Then you are using that thing unwisely, unhealthly and selfishly.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

DeathCell, even if you disagree with DreamScientist, don't you think it would make more sense to have a little compasion for what was obviously a difficult time for his family? whatever the cause was for the hard times, at least a bit of humanity when discussing it would probably be a better way to approach it.

I have no compassion for people who blame personal family problems on a substance when their is always something deeper at the core. Their is no pussyfooting around the subject, he claimed Marijuana to be the cause of his family problems, but in reality we all know a relationship has a lot more issues than that.

You may not mean to, but you are coming across as aggressive in that last post, which isn't going to convince others of yoru argument, it'll probably do the exact opposite, which im sure isn't your intention.

Aggressive against falsity, that is my mission.

My personal opinion with Weed, is that it is neither "the devils drug" nor is it "the perfect side-effect free drug". It has its fair share of problems if abused, but can also be reasonably harmless when used sparingly with a little sense.
Problem is, many people have problems with drawing the line with these things.

And that always comes down to the person. Someone can drink too much coffee, someone can have too much sex and be an "addict" We as a society need to stop scapegoating whatever substance or venue of entertainment we can find and instead put the blame on each individual person, one doesn't wake up overnight with an addiction to Oxycontin or Heroin.. Time for the world to take accountability for their actions.

Neither alchohol or cannabis are essentially "bad" drugs, but as with anything that chemically alters your perceptions and mood, of course excessive use will skew your ability to think objectively about what you are doing.
There will be people who lose control and abuse substances... regardless of which substance it is.
Some substances will effect their lives more than others, whether they are physically addictive or not.

And if you drink to much water you can die... sex also alters your perceptions and moods.. In fact no substance is even necessary for such changes.. People have problems, and it's time people started taking accountability for their problems instead of blaming boo's or marijuana, no one is forcing that smoke down your lungs nor is anyone forcing that needle in your arm or that bottle in your mouth.

If something is altering your perceptions and emotions in a pronounced way (and certainly weed and booze do this), and you prefer the way that feeling feels to sober reality - and you then start using it to block out parts of your life that make you uneasy, rather than doing something change the cause of the problems... then whatever the drug, you've fallen victim to it. It's escapism.

Personally be it booze, weed, TV, gaming, prescription drugs, porn whatever form of escapism you choose... if you are choosing to do it during the daytime, at the expense of other things in your life and the people you should care about. Then you are using that thing unwisely, unhealthly and selfishly.

Daytime, some people do run on night schedules you seem to forget.. Their are those in the world who work at night, and the daytime is.... their time. Just a side not..

Obviously if you do something so much and in such a way that it cuts off contact from everything you find enjoyable or your family their is a problem... Than again I know many an older man who works their asses off everyday and smokes throughout... Marijuana has never had the effect alcohol has on people..

Well of course, it is your prerogative if you wish to treat other humans with compasion or not. But if you really want to know what is false and what isn't... I'd probably not judge someone on a single post in an internet forum.
Truth is, if you are after truth, you have absolutely no idea what caused his family problems... It could well be an excessive use of a drug, you and I certainly don't know. Sure you may think it is an unlikely cause, but it's by no means impossible.


But i don't want to dwell on that topic, i just think it's probably just better to have a civil, polite discussion, rather than laying into each other. That was my point.


As for those of you who do smoke weed, or take other street drugs.
One thing you may want to consider, which is the main reason I avoid drugs nowadays, is that you either grow your own, or buy from someone decent who grows their own.

A huge amount of the money earnt from drugs is used to fund organised crime, which among other things involves arms dealing, human sex trafficing, violent crimes etc. Not to mention, a good deal of terrorist organisations will also use drug sales as a handy "undercover" means to fund themselves.

So if you're going to put something in your body, make sure it's not funding scumbags like that.


Personally, i think people have the right to put whatever chemicals they want in their bodies. It's your body, use it how you will.

Just at least make sure that your getting your substances from someone decent, best find some local hippies who make their own. Otherwise you're just creating the money funding the bottom of a pretty nasty pyramid leading all the way up to some truelly vile humans at the top.

Personally, I don't want to invest in that kind of world.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Well of course, it is your prerogative if you wish to treat other humans with compasion or not. But if you really want to know what is false and what isn't... I'd probably not judge someone on a single post in an internet forum.
Truth is, if you are after truth, you have absolutely no idea what caused his family problems... It could well be an excessive use of a drug, you and I certainly don't know. Sure you may think it is an unlikely cause, but it's by no means impossible.

It's impossible, I've never heard of such nonsense. I never claimed to know what caused his family problems, only that I'm sure more than Marijuana is causing the failing marriage(a term you would use in the case of a breakup in a marriage)

But i don't want to dwell on that topic, i just think it's probably just better to have a civil, polite discussion, rather than laying into each other. That was my point.

I was civil and polite. Their is no pussyfooting around a "breakup in a marriage" it has to be failing otherwise they wouldn't be considering breaking up! Their is only so much tip toeing around serious subjects that can be done, and I'd prefer not.

As for those of you who do smoke weed, or take other street drugs.
One thing you may want to consider, which is the main reason I avoid drugs nowadays, is that you either grow your own, or buy from someone decent who grows their own.

A huge amount of the money earnt from drugs is used to fund organised crime, which among other things involves arms dealing, human sex trafficing, violent crimes etc. Not to mention, a good deal of terrorist organisations will also use drug sales as a handy "undercover" means to fund themselves.

The majority of nondirt Marijuana in the US comes from Canada... California.... The "terrorist" organizations do have some role though far less where I live, this terrorist thing is less, though they do terrorize the Mexican populations(drug cartels), Heroin supports Afghan terrorists, legalize all drugs and this problem is solved.

So if you're going to put something in your body, make sure it's not funding scumbags like that.

The only real solution is legalization. Not everyone has easy means to get what they want, it's not like they come with a Made in The USA tag on every bag...

Personally, i think people have the right to put whatever chemicals they want in their bodies. It's your body, use it how you will.

But of course, why would we need to tell others what to do with themselves.. Makes no sense to me.

Just at least make sure that your getting your substances from someone decent, best find some local hippies who make their own. Otherwise you're just creating the money funding the bottom of a pretty nasty pyramid leading all the way up to some truelly vile humans at the top.

I wasn't sure if you were talking about Drugs or Pharmaceuticals at this point, or corporations in general.. You either fund terrorists buying drugs or you fund thieves and liars buying legal drugs, and products.

Personally, I don't want to invest in that kind of world.

A lot of that fear of supporting terrorism is just blown up propaganda from the Bush Era... Though heroin is probably a large exception

Okay well I smoke pot about 3-4 times a week and you know what, I don't care what it does to my body honestly. Like think of it, they say a joint of pot is the same as 4 cigs.. Well I smoke maybe 2 grams per week which is like two joints so that would be the same as me having like 4-8 cigarette's a week. I have known people who smoked packs a day for years and years that live healthy lives to 80-90 years old. So if you really think about it how bad can it be? Maybe shave a couple years off my life but I doubt it would even do that much.

As for mental I have maintained an average of about 80 throughout high school. I have a strong mindset and if I needed to quit I could quit cold turkey. I am not addicted, but am willing to experiment with other drugs and have experimented yet I have no intention on being addicted to any other drug so for marijuana is not a gateway drug. Like many people have said it all depends on the person not the substance.

On another note 2 of my 4 lucid dreams have been from night's where I smoked weed before bed.

Originally Posted by Goldy

Okay well I smoke pot about 3-4 times a week and you know what, I don't care what it does to my body honestly. Like think of it, they say a joint of pot is the same as 4 cigs.. Well I smoke maybe 2 grams per week which is like two joints so that would be the same as me having like 4-8 cigarette's a week. I have known people who smoked packs a day for years and years that live healthy lives to 80-90 years old. So if you really think about it how bad can it be? Maybe shave a couple years off my life but I doubt it would even do that much.

There are people who get shot who live to an old age, and people who are involved in horrific car accidents who survive, that dosn't make getting shot "not all that bad" nor does it make horrific car accidents "perfectly safe". As with anything that is bad for your health there will be some lucky individuals who will "get away with it."
As for how bad can smoking tobbaco be?

5.4 million deaths a year worldwide
100 million people died because of tobacco use in the 20th century.
Smoking causes more death and disability than any single disease

Originally Posted by Goldy

As for mental I have maintained an average of about 80 throughout high school. I have a strong mindset and if I needed to quit I could quit cold turkey. I am not addicted, but am willing to experiment with other drugs and have experimented yet I have no intention on being addicted to any other drug so for marijuana is not a gateway drug. Like many people have said it all depends on the person not the substance.

On another note 2 of my 4 lucid dreams have been from night's where I smoked weed before bed.

Obviously it's completely up to you to do what you want with your body.
I have no problem at all with people smoking weed, tobbaco or whatever, I've done them all myself in life at some point.

What is important though, is knowing the genuine risks involved, and not trying to justify something as harmless just to make yourself and others feel better. There are genuine risks involved with smoking cannabis regardless of if we like that fact or not.

Personally i'd suggest anyone who hasnt smoked weed who is thinking about it, ignores anything people say on a forum, or personal opinons, and go straight to a medical website, with decent factual information. Make your mind up your own mind with facts, not opinions or social pressure.

Just quickly googled and this is a handy, and quite impartial overview:

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealt.../cannabis.aspx

Personally, I think cannabis should be made legal. People use it as if it were anyway.
Personally, I find it a boring drug, and found the negative effects outwayed the positives, which is why I stopped smoking it years ago... well that and the fact that several people I knew smoked too much and ended up in a mental institution.

I'm sure these people had underlying mental issues in the first place and no form of escapism can help their situation.

P.S. If one purchases a vaporizer, a lot of the complaints and dangers that arise from the intake of the smoke are gone.

That study you link lost all credibility with...

7 out of 10 switch to tobacco in an attempt to stay off cannabis.


That is bull and such a drastic switch.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

I'm sure these people had underlying mental issues in the first place and no form of escapism can help their situation.

P.S. If one purchases a vaporizer, a lot of the complaints and dangers that arise from the intake of the smoke are gone.

That study you link lost all credibility with...

7 out of 10 switch to tobacco in an attempt to stay off cannabis.


That is bull and such a drastic switch.

Actually no,
One was a very very close friend, from a family with no mental health history whatsoever. Completely stable and a very kind caring person. She was one of the most together people I knew by a long shot.
She met a guy, who smoked a lot of weed, dated him for about a month,
and it was pretty clear to anyone watching from the outside, that her mental health was going slowly downhill in direct relation to how much, and how long she was smoking.

In the end she ended up schitzo, even the doctors said it was down to the weed, as there were no underlying problems. Hell, even 10 years later (and luckily recovered, although it did screw up 6 years of her life) she swears that the weed was the only factor.

Considering nothing else in her lifestyle changed, seems pretty clear what happened. Certainly wasnt escapism for her, she was one of the happiest people I knew. She just started smoking weed, because her new boyfriend was into it.

I've seen it happen on quite a few occasions actually.
Simple matter is, that different people have different brain chemistry, and what may not effect one person, could easily unbalance someone elses brain chemistry to a dangerous level. Same way that lots of people drink, but some people are more prone to alcholism than others, not due to their personality, but they just had bad luck with the genetic lottery for brain chemistry that meant that they were more prone to the dangers than others.

You can say that all you won't, their was still something else wrong with her.. It's as if you really know this girl, when you barely know yourself.

You act as if you were her guardian... to know so much about her medical files... Realize people don't tell you everything.

It doesn't take 6 years to get over smoking..... Sorry. She obviously had something latent and waiting, probably years of worries and anxiety pent up with the combination of a failing relationship and with a druggie.... So scapegoat the Marijuana for the breakdown, seems normal to me... This is of course all conjecture, since I don't know this girl in the slightest nor have I spent time psychoanalyzing her as you must have yourself?

Seems like a mechanism of defense if she's adamant about Marijuana being the only cause, probably gives her solace at night to have a "reason".(Remember Psychologists/Doctors lie legally to patients in cases like this to create a placebo effect..)

Originally Posted by DeathCell

You can say that all you won't, their was still something else wrong with her.. It's as if you really know this girl, when you barely know yourself.

You act as if you were her guardian... to know so much about her medical files... Realize people don't tell you everything.

It doesn't take 6 years to get over smoking..... Sorry. She obviously had something latent and waiting, probably years of worries and anxiety pent up with the combination of a failing relationship and with a druggie.... So scapegoat the Marijuana for the breakdown, seems normal to me... This is of course all conjecture, since I don't know this girl in the slightest nor have I spent time psychoanalyzing her as you must have yourself?

Seems like a mechanism of defense if she's adamant about Marijuana being the only cause, probably gives her solace at night to have a "reason".(Remember Psychologists/Doctors lie legally to patients in cases like this to create a placebo effect..)

Well seeing as I've known her my whole life, and having seen her almost every day, and been incredibly close friends.

I interesting you refer to someone who smokes weed as a druggie.

Personally I can't see why you are so convinced that a chemical that alters the chemical makeup of your brain, could not be a key trigger or the main factor in mental illness in some cases... especially considering mental illness is all about brain chemistry being altered.

If someone with a mental illness can be cured through the use of drugs to adjust their brain chemistry, i see absolutely no reason why a person of a healthy mental state cannot have the reverse occur and develop problems through the use of a drug (any powerful mind altering drug for that matter).

Generally with the use of drugs to cure a mental illness, it involves a period of taking the drug until brain chemistry adjusts.
So why would a period of taking a street drug, not eventually adjust the brain chemistry in a negative way?

If you eat fatty foods all day long, it's no suprise when you put on weight the body just adjusts to what is being ingested.
The brain is an organ like any other, feed it something for long enough, and it will react in one way or another.

THC has some pretty powerful effects on brain chemistry... I don't think it's all that unlikely that in some cases, with certain brains, that it may trigger a sequence of events that leave the brain in an unhealthy state.

Do you really think THC is some kind of miracle drug, with absolutely no side effects? Why are you so convinced? surely there will be some people who's brain chemistry reacts in a different way to your own?

As you know, im certainly not anti-drug. I'd be a hypocrite if i was.
But I do accept that if you play with your brain chemistry you are taking a gamble. I've taken that gamble, and I was lucky. Others like my friend, wern't so lucky.

I understand that you are a big fan of weed, and im not attacking your opinion or your tastes. I just think it would be a little more realistic if you considered that in some cases THC could be the cause of problems.

It's a bit like peanuts. Most people can eat them with no problem, whilst some people have huge allergic reactions to them. It's just a matter of body chemistry. THC may well be a similar thing, fine for most people, but some people may have a bad reaction (nothing to do with them or thier past or lifestyles, just bad luck biologically.)

I certainly don't think that everyone who smokes weed will end up mental.
Far from it. No more than i think everyone who eats peanuts will die, or everyone who has a drink will be an alcholic.
I do however think that just like peanuts and booze, some people will be unlucky to have a body or mind, that isn't so compatible with the chemicals as everyone elses.

Problem is, none of us know if we're the lucky ones or the unlucky ones.
That's why i think it's a gamble.
The choice you have to make is, are you willing to take that gamble.
And that's up to the person involved.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Well seeing as I've known her my whole life, and having seen her almost every day, and been incredibly close friends.

So not that close. Family members and friends are usually on different levels of devolging information.

I interesting you refer to someone who smokes weed as a druggie.

That's why I hate the internet, you couldn't catch my sarcasm? (I was putting myself in her shoes, I can hear someone saying oh that "druggie" or something after the relationship ended..

Personally I can't see why you are so convinced that a chemical that alters the chemical makeup of your brain, could not be a key trigger or the main factor in mental illness in some cases... especially considering mental illness is all about brain chemistry being altered.

Because after you stop smoking your brain chemistry goes back to normal, if hers didn't their was obviously something else at fault.

If someone with a mental illness can be cured through the use of drugs to adjust their brain chemistry, i see absolutely no reason why a person of a healthy mental state cannot have the reverse occur and develop problems through the use of a drug (any powerful mind altering drug for that matter).

It's just Marijuana, not acid not mushrooms.. The effects don't last that long, if she had a long lasting effect their was obviously something wrong in the first place. It doesn't take 6 years to get over smoking Marijuana for a month, sorry.

Generally with the use of drugs to cure a mental illness, it involves a period of taking the drug until brain chemistry adjusts.
So why would a period of taking a street drug, not eventually adjust the brain chemistry in a negative way?

Cure mental illness with drugs???? Really most people seem to be on a regiment for entire lifespans, everyone knows the best way to cure mental illness is through a combination counseling and maybe a small amount of temporary drugs.. You can't just take any magic pill and have everything go back to normal, that's only part of the game.

If you eat fatty foods all day long, it's no suprise when you put on weight the body just adjusts to what is being ingested.

That's because the fatty foods take a long time for the body to process and a lot of it isn't really food....

The brain is an organ like any other, feed it something for long enough, and it will react in one way or another.

You don't feed on Marijuana, your brain adjusts accordingly, after you come down from your high you return to normal brain chemistry soon after.. Not 6 years! This is the most unscientific statement I've ever heard, though I'm not that scientific myself.... I know people that have smoked for.... probably longer than you were even a thought in your parents brain.... And their minds are just as sharp as ever, weak minded people shouldn't take hallucinogenics it's as simple as that.

THC has some pretty powerful effects on brain chemistry... I don't think it's all that unlikely that in some cases, with certain brains, that it may trigger a sequence of events that leave the brain in an unhealthy state.

Weak minds that can't take the experience, THC has been having effects on society for longer than we can remember. Their is far more to peoples mental disorders than a month long binge of smoking pot... Sorry.

Do you really think THC is some kind of miracle drug, with absolutely no side effects?

No, I'm sure their are side effects. Just not mental disorders as you seem to think.

Why are you so convinced? surely there will be some people who's brain chemistry reacts in a different way to your own?

And I'm sure if people react in a non sane manner than they weren't quite sane to begin..

As you know, im certainly not anti-drug. I'd be a hypocrite if i was.
But I do accept that if you play with your brain chemistry you are taking a gamble. I've taken that gamble, and I was lucky. Others like my friend, wern't so lucky.

It's not a gamble, I'm sure they had deep underlying issues.. that they probably ignored until they partook in the Herb, had a "scary trip" , Like I've had on Shrooms and felt oddly strange for a few months... She couldn't pull herself out, she lost to her own shadow... For 10 years... The real culprit isn't the brain chemistry but the actual behavior of the human... Todays world focuses too much on the chemistry and not enough on emotions.. Remember you can effect you brain chemistry through your emotions without the use of any drug or aide, but you can't really effect your emotions through simple brain chemistry, for it would be a charade...

I understand that you are a big fan of weed, and im not attacking your opinion or your tastes. I just think it would be a little more realistic if you considered that in some cases THC could be the cause of problems.

It's not. It can cause lung problems I'm sure, though differing cases say that Marijuana can help prevent cancer.. Sadly testing is limited by it's legality, or lack of legality I should say. I don't believe it causes mental problems, it causes people to think. And if someone is that unhappy with their lives, they could lead to a breakdown.. but it's not the plant but the user that causes these issues they've been ignoring.

It's a bit like peanuts. Most people can eat them with no problem, whilst some people have huge allergic reactions to them.

But it's not, I've met someone who was allergic to Marijuana..... They broke out in hives when they smoked... NOW THAT IS AN ALLERGIC REACTION, allergic reactions don't affect your brain...

It's just a matter of body chemistry. THC may well be a similar thing, fine for most people, but some people may have a bad reaction (nothing to do with them or thier past or lifestyles, just bad luck biologically.)

No it has everything to do with their life, their mental state.. and nothing to do with their biology, if they were allergic to Marijuana the affects of itchy skin, swollen throat and other normal allergic reactions occur...

I certainly don't think that everyone who smokes weed will end up mental.
Far from it. No more than i think everyone who eats peanuts will die, or everyone who has a drink will be an alcholic.

Loosely based connections.

I do however think that just like peanuts and booze, some people will be unlucky to have a body or mind, that isn't so compatible with the chemicals as everyone elses.

It has everything to do to with mind and nothing to do with chemicals..

Problem is, none of us know if we're the lucky ones or the unlucky ones.
That's why i think it's a gamble.
The choice you have to make is, are you willing to take that gamble.
And that's up to the person involved.

The only gamble you are taking is if you have serious mental issues that you have yet to accept...

haha,

You make me laugh DeathCell.

You're such a weed evangalist, that if someone took a huge toke in front of you and started coughing... you'd insist it was hay fever, and nothing to do with the weed

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

haha,

You make me laugh DeathCell.

You're such a weed evangalist, that if someone took a huge toke in front of you and started coughing... you'd insist it was hay fever, and nothing to do with the weed

No because coughing after smoking actually makes sense...

lighten up dude.
It was a joke.