Thread: DILD-1 Syllabus

One of my concerns for this class: although I get out of work before the chat starts, I may not be home/at my computer until after it ends. Would anyone be willing to copy/paste the lectures into a file and PM or email it to me?

The chatlogs will always be posted here after each class.

Isn't this the DILD class, though?

Yeah my bad. I posted it in the wrong thread

It's alright, it's good to know I won't miss out on too much if I can't make it into the chat. Thanks!

Here is the log for the first lecture.

In it, we discussed what a DILD was, the pros & cons of DILD, Dream recall, dreamsigns, and reality checking.

Spoiler for First Lecture:

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[17:48] == naiya [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
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[17:50] <GabrielG> Hi
[17:50] <@naiya> hello you're very early.
[17:51] <GabrielG>
[17:51] <GabrielG> yep
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[17:51] <GabrielG> been here for a while
[17:52] <Andra> well the class is going to start in 8 minutes
[17:52] <GabrielG> so what exactly are we going to do and what are the assignments like?
[17:55] <@naiya> 8 minutes?
[17:55] <@naiya> actually....1 hour & 8 minutes xD;
[17:56] <@naiya> 7 PM PST
[17:57] <@naiya> The assignments are listed in the syllabus I'll post in there when you should do them.
[17:57] <@naiya> Aside from that, keep a copy of all your dreams for the next two weeks in your workbook in the student workbooks forum.
[18:00] <Andra> oh right...:">
[18:00] <@naiya> No prob
[18:01] <@naiya> We pretty much always have some confusion about the time and times zones... xD;
[18:01] <@naiya> Mayhaps next time I'll post a time zone converter
[18:02] <Andra> that wpuld be great :p
[18:06] <@naiya> GabrielG, you'r the youngest one in the class, but you were here first
[18:06] <GabrielG>
[18:06] <GabrielG> A+?
[18:07] <@naiya> hehe
[18:07] <GabrielG>
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[18:09] <Ravemaster7> howdy, sorry I'm late
[18:11] <Ravemaster7> ....hello?
[18:11] <@naiya> You're not late, you're early. xD
[18:11] <Ravemaster7> wonderful!
[18:11] <@naiya> hehe
[18:11] <@naiya> class starts in about 45 minutes
[18:11] <@naiya> But if you want to ask any questions now, go ahead
[18:11] <@naiya> about either the class or LDing
[18:12] <GabrielG> So yeah yesterday was my birthday and last night i remembered two dreams (for the first time in a while and the first time since i started doing this stuff)
[18:12] <Ravemaster7> well happy birthay! was it a milestone?
[18:13] <@naiya> woot, happy birthday
[18:13] <GabrielG> I guess but when i was blowing out the candles i wished to have a lucid dream but i didn;t
[18:14] <Ravemaster7> I loved realizing when I had multiple dreams per night, is that usual for you now? keeping a dream journal?
[18:14] <@naiya> awww
[18:15] * naiya is writing last night's dreams right now
[18:16] <Ravemaster7> I'm gonna go AFK for a few, brb!
[18:16] <@naiya> Mk
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[18:16] <GabrielG> Alright
[18:16] <@naiya> hello
[18:17] <theboarder> hey there
[18:17] <theboarder> i made it
[18:17] <@naiya> you're early, relax, pull up a chair, ect. ect.
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[18:17] <@naiya> Hi
[18:17] <BagO> Hey
[18:17] <BagO> It's not starting yet is it?
[18:17] <@naiya> You're early, pull up a chair, ect. ect.
[18:17] <@naiya> we officially start in about a half hour
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[18:18] <GabrielG> lol
[18:18] <@naiya> But if you have any questions about LDing or the class itself, go ahead
[18:18] <Xqtftqx> Hello
[18:18] <@naiya> hi
[18:18] <GabrielG> What are some of the assignments like?
[18:18] <Xqtftqx> whens the class start?
[18:18] <Xqtftqx> Timezones are confusing me >_>
[18:19] <@naiya> about 30 minutes xD
[18:19] <Xqtftqx> aw ill have to pause my movie xD
[18:19] <@naiya> I think I'll have to post a converter @ DVA later, haha
[18:19] <GabrielG> Ya could you send me the class times but in Canada's timezone (lol i fail at this stuff) if you can figure it out?
[18:19] <@naiya> Gabriel, didn't you get my PM?
[18:19] <@naiya> I have no idea what Canada's timezone is, so I just googled a timezone converter for ya xD;
[18:20] <@naiya> all the classes are at 7pm PST or pacific standard time. So los angeles
[18:20] <Xqtftqx> i was confused there i thought it was 8 PST
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[18:21] <GabrielG> that convertor thing is confusing
[18:21] <@naiya> Time Zone Converter - Time & Time Zone Conversion
[18:22] <BagO> Gabriel what time zone are you in>
[18:22] <BagO> ?
[18:22] <@naiya> lol
[18:22] <@naiya> PST is my timezone
[18:22] <@naiya> so where I am now, it's 6:22PM
[18:22] <BagO> Its weird how it's exactly a 3 hour difference on the dot.
[18:23] <GabrielG> lol could you convert it for me this is confusing for me could you convert what is says to Canada?
[18:23] <GabrielG> the class times to canada D:
[18:23] <Xqtftqx> GabrielG, where are you in canada?
[18:23] <@naiya> I'm GMT -7
[18:24] <@naiya> Where in Canada? xD
[18:24] <@naiya> I believe Canada covers about 3-4 time zones, just like the US.
[18:24] <GabrielG> Ontario
[18:24] <@naiya> What time is it there now?
[18:25] <GabrielG> 9:24 PM
[18:25] <Xqtftqx> your same time as me GabrielG
[18:25] <@naiya> Okay. now add 30 minutes to that.
[18:25] <Xqtftqx> so it starts at 10
[18:25] <@naiya> yes. hehehe xD
[18:25] <@naiya> All the other classes will also be at 10pm your time. xD
[18:25] <GabrielG> could you tell me class times of all days but converted?
[18:25] <GabrielG> what days?
[18:25] <@naiya> Are you in DILD, or DILD and WILD?
[18:25] <Xqtftqx> Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Right?
[18:26] <Xqtftqx> oh
[18:26] <BagO> There all at 10 for you
[18:26] <@naiya> DILD is Mon Wed Fri
[18:26] <@naiya> And all at the same time --10pm, for you.
[18:26] <GabrielG> ok im focusing on dild
[18:26] <@naiya> WILD is also at the same time, on tues/thurs
[18:26] <Xqtftqx> Couldnt have picked better days naiya
[18:26] <@naiya> makes it easy for me to remember that way, haha.
[18:26] <GabrielG> ok my brother sent you a message Naiya about a recurring dream or something he wants to know what it's trying to tell him ( i think that's it) He's spacegeek
[18:26] <GabrielG> so mon wed fri?
[18:27] <GabrielG> at 10:00 PM?
[18:27] <Xqtftqx> yes
[18:27] <GabrielG> ty
[18:27] <@naiya> I'mm PM him
[18:27] <GabrielG> ok
[18:27] <GabrielG> brb
[18:28] <BagO> Gtg be back in 30 mins
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[18:29] <@naiya> Generally, recurring dreams do have an important meaning, but I couldn't tell someone what their dream means.
[18:29] <@naiya> The dreamer is the most qualified person to interpret their own dream.
[18:29] <Xqtftqx> hm, well this is odd naiya
[18:30] <Xqtftqx> Im new to all this, so lately ive just been repeating "wake up after each dream"
[18:30] <GabrielG> he just said to me (sorry for the language) "not really what it meant just what the fuck is going on"
[18:30] <@naiya> Only the dreamer knows why they might make certain connections, associations, and might connect the timing of the dream to certain events.
[18:30] <Xqtftqx> and so far, 80% of the time its been "night mares" :/
[18:30] <@naiya> Aww poor guy
[18:30] <GabrielG> he says there is a lot of weird stuff so he didnt tell me what it is
[18:30] <Xqtftqx> Well the weird thing is, nothing wrongs during the day
[18:30] <Xqtftqx> im always happy haha
[18:31] <GabrielG>
[18:31] <@naiya> GabrielG: tell him to PM me about it if he's willing to tell me about it...I'll see if I can help
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[18:31] <GabrielG> he is typing it as you said that
[18:31] <@naiya> Xqtftqx: what kinda nightmares?
[18:31] <Xqtftqx> naiya, just standard stuff. Tornados, People inside the house, etc
[18:31] <@naiya> Hmm yeah.
[18:32] <@naiya> Well, lucid dreaming can definitely help nightmares
[18:32] <@naiya> Like I said, I can't say for sure what is causing your nightmares, but generally they happen due to stress and what have you.
[18:32] <GabrielG> im watching him type it it's kinda serious business D;
[18:32] <@naiya> The other thing is, nightmares get your attention more than regular dreams.
[18:32] <GabrielG> it's very strange
[18:32] <Xqtftqx> Yeah, ive noticed that
[18:32] <GabrielG> yeah
[18:32] <@naiya> So it's kind of like your unconscious is saying "HELLO, PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"
[18:33] <Xqtftqx> Yeah, and i mean, i wake up and feel fine
[18:33] <Xqtftqx> i dont wake up in the middle of the night screaming or feel any need to check anything
[18:34] <@naiya> yeah
[18:34] <@naiya> Normally waking up screaming is like...an actual sleep disorder
[18:34] <@naiya> And the person almost never remembers the nightmare at all
[18:34] <@naiya> it's called "night terrors"
[18:34] <@naiya> But anywho, with LDing...you can find out why you're having the nightmare.
[18:35] <@naiya> For example!
[18:35] <@naiya> I had one where I was fighting this psycho priest and he was trapping me in the house
[18:35] <@naiya> He was very very clever, and he almost made me lose my lucidity
[18:35] <@naiya> When I demanded to know why he was doing this, he told me "So I can control you."
[18:36] <GabrielG> that's creepy
[18:36] <@naiya> And when I woke up, I realized.....this is my perception of organized religion. This is what I believe their real motive is. And I feel suppressed and trapped by it.
[18:36] <GabrielG> did you get his message?
[18:36] <Xqtftqx> Wow. Hopefully ill find out whats wrong with me xD
[18:36] <@naiya> GabrielG: I did, but I will probably respond when class is over, since it'll be a long response.
[18:37] <@naiya> But in that case, there was nothing going on in my life at the time which was very stressful or bad. And I wasn't even in a church at the time.
[18:37] <@naiya> The nightmare came up on its own, in its own time.
[18:37] <GabrielG> lol he said "damnit im gonna be playing starcraft II then" he's going to a midnight line up for it
[18:37] <Ravemaster7> so naiya, I hear that you have lucid dreams almost every night now.
[18:38] <Ravemaster7> was there ever a time when it seemed like it wasn't easy for you?
[18:38] <@naiya> Yup, I have them every night pretty much
[18:38] <@naiya> It took me months before I got lucid even once a month.
[18:38] <@naiya> So it was very hard
[18:38] <@naiya> And I tried every single day.
[18:39] <Ravemaster7> that's the ideal goal for me, is to be able to have them often enough so that I can practice more/remember to remember more, you know?
[18:39] <Ravemaster7> that's good to know
[18:39] <Ravemaster7> what was involved in your practice/efforts?
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[18:39] <@naiya> Originally, I didn't have much access to the internet
[18:40] <@naiya> All I had was "look at your hands" and "tell yourself you'll have a lucid dream before you go to bed"
[18:40] <@naiya> That's literally all I had, lol, was sad.
[18:40] <Ravemaster7> did you read EtWoLD?
[18:40] <Ravemaster7> lol you sound like a reg'glar dream pie-oh-neer
[18:40] <Ravemaster7>
[18:40] <@naiya> No, I read no books at all
[18:40] <kookyinc> Hey guys, I'm early, right?
[18:40] <@naiya> I had only heard of LDing from my mom
[18:40] <@naiya> You're early, yup!
[18:41] <kookyinc> Oh, good. I suck at schedules.
[18:41] <Xqtftqx> better add this to google cal xD
[18:41] <Ravemaster7> it's okay, I thought it was earlier too
[18:41] <@naiya>
[18:41] <@naiya> Eventually, we'll have a calendar system for DV for these things
[18:42] <@naiya> So that way it will automatically remind you when a class is, ect.
[18:42] <Xqtftqx> Awesome
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[18:42] <kookyinc> That'll be neat-o.
[18:42] <atras> hi
[18:42] <Ravemaster7> this is all very cool. it's good to see DVA coming together like everyone has envisioned it.
[18:42] <atras> this the DILD class?
[18:42] <@naiya> yup
[18:43] <Ravemaster7> or maybe a little different, i can't be sure. but I'm sure everyone is grateful to people like you, naiya, who dedicate their time to it
[18:43] <GabrielG> Naiya i have a question, im reading the syllabus and it says we need to keep a dream journal everynight is that our profile dream journal or do we get another one for class?
[18:43] <@naiya> ty Rave
[18:44] <@naiya> Ideally, you will all make a thread in the Student workbooks forum and you'll copy&paste your dreams there.
[18:44] <GabrielG> Okay
[18:44] <@naiya> That way it's much easier to keep track of all of you
[18:44] <GabrielG>
[18:44] <@naiya> Plus you'll have your assignments in the same thread.
[18:44] <GabrielG> Okay
[18:44] <kookyinc> I've been bad. I've been recording dreams, but not online.
[18:44] <@naiya> And it'll be easy to read your classmates' dreams, too.
[18:45] <Ravemaster7> I had a weird dream last night.
[18:45] <atras> i have a bunch of dreams recording on my ipod but i dont have wifi right now so i cant send them to my computer XD
[18:45] <GabrielG> I only have 3 dreams online and i have 7 in my own dream journal
[18:45] <Xqtftqx> i havent started a DJ :/
[18:45] <atras> ya me to raven
[18:45] <GabrielG> D:
[18:45] <Xqtftqx> Im a newbie xD
[18:45] <GabrielG>
[18:45] <@naiya> It's all right
[18:45] <GabrielG> me too sorta
[18:45] <@naiya> A lot of the people in the classes are pretty new
[18:46] <Xqtftqx> i was browsing the forum and thought, couldnt think of a better way to start!
[18:46] <Ravemaster7> what really bugs me is knowing what I do about dreams and still never flinching when like, I fight a wolf or something
[18:46] <atras> ive been on DV for more than a year but i kinda got lazy with trying so ive still only had 7 lds XD
[18:47] <@naiya> aw
[18:47] <Ravemaster7> same here atras, I joined last summer and had 2 in the same month I joined, but I got lazy because of college, etc
[18:47] <@naiya> College and work can make it pretty hard, yep.
[18:47] <GabrielG> Does having a really big imagination help with LDing? Because i've written one children's book (not published of course) and I am currently writing one big chapter book and i have the 4 other books in the series planned out, and i want to be a movie director when i grow up (all at the age of 13)
[18:47] <atras> and stress
[18:47] <@naiya> Having an imagination DOES make LDing better, yes!
[18:47] <atras> and i wanna be a movie director to gabriel!
[18:47] <GabrielG>
[18:47] <atras> haahah i love making films
[18:47] <@naiya> The more you daydream, the more you imagine, the more curious you are, the better
[18:47] <GabrielG> Oh i also paint
[18:48] <atras> ya ill pass on painting :p
[18:48] * Xqtftqx has ADD xD
[18:48] <Ravemaster7> the better you can visualize something, the more real you will make it in a dream!
[18:48] <@naiya> As a side note, the ability to visualize things helps a LOT for dream control.
[18:48] * Xqtftqx Daydreams a lot
[18:48] <GabrielG> i have two youtube videos of my paintings if you wanna check them out
[18:48] <atras> ya i wud think so
[18:48] <atras> haha cool
[18:48] <GabrielG> Naiya is it alright if i put a link to my channel here?
[18:49] <atras> i actually have a short fiction film based on dreaming on utube, but im kinda emberased by it cuz my actors kinda sucked XD
[18:49] <@naiya> Sure, go ahead
[18:49] <GabrielG> YouTube - Gabthatguyyoukno's Channel
[18:49] <GabrielG> thank you
[18:49] <theboarder> so who here has seen inception??
[18:49] <atras> i have
[18:49] <atras> YouTube - The Last Dream
[18:49] <Xqtftqx> Not yet :/
[18:49] <GabrielG> saw it the other day i loved it but i got pretty confused lol
[18:50] <atras> its amazin
[18:50] <theboarder> it really is
[18:50] <theboarder> best movie i've seen in a few years
[18:50] <Ravemaster7> Gabe, TMBG = win
[18:50] <atras> ya theres been a lotta crapy movies lately
[18:50] <Xqtftqx> im planning on seein it sometime this week
[18:50] <GabrielG> TMBG?
[18:50] <theboarder> do it
[18:50] <@naiya> I looooved inception
[18:50] <kookyinc> Gabe, nice space painting thing.
[18:50] <atras> TMGB whts tht
[18:50] <Ravemaster7> they might be giants
[18:50] <theboarder> its totally worth the money
[18:50] <GabrielG> Thank you
[18:50] <Xqtftqx> My GF made us go see salt -
[18:50] <Xqtftqx> -_-
[18:50] <GabrielG> lol
[18:50] <Ravemaster7> i heard that sucked...
[18:51] <@naiya> Although I have my bitches about how it handles lucid dreaming.
[18:51] <GabrielG> salt is alright
[18:51] <GabrielG> i saw it
[18:51] <atras> ya nice painting
[18:51] <@naiya> as a movei though, it was amazing.
[18:51] <theboarder> yeah i noticed that too naiya
[18:51] <GabrielG> ty
[18:51] <Xqtftqx> Operation: End Game was a horrible movie too
[18:52] <GabrielG> atras that is amazing
[18:52] <atras> wht is
[18:52] <kookyinc> Clash of the Titans disappointed me.
[18:52] <GabrielG> the video you linked
[18:52] <atras> oh thanks :p
[18:52] <Ravemaster7> the way I look at inceptionwas this: the architect had to make dreams seem/work more like real life in order to convince the target to be more vulnerable
[18:52] <@naiya> GabrielG: awesome painting
[18:52] <atras> so was cobb dreaming
[18:52] <@naiya> Hehehe, I'll have to watch it again before I decide if he was or not.
[18:52] <GabrielG> thanks naiya but imo the ones in the videos suck some newer ones i made are better
[18:53] <GabrielG> lol
[18:53] <@naiya> Spoken like a true artist.
[18:53] <atras> i dont think he was dreaming
[18:53] <Ravemaster7> oh wow, those planets are really cool
[18:53] <@naiya> "my old ones suck, augh!" lol
[18:53] <GabrielG> lol
[18:53] <Andra> the song is awesome
[18:54] <Ravemaster7> yeah i agree
[18:54] <atras> wht song
[18:54] <Xqtftqx> yeah, GabrielG, what song is that?
[18:54] <Ravemaster7> i guess you're riiight!
[18:54] <Andra> what's it called?
[18:54] <GabrielG> in my cave painting video?
[18:54] <Andra> yep
[18:54] <GabrielG> the first or second one
[18:54] <Andra> first
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[18:54] <Rush2112> Howdy
[18:54] <atras> hey
[18:54] <@naiya> Hey
[18:54] <Andra> hey
[18:54] <Rush2112> I spent half an hour thinking I was in this room
[18:55] <Ravemaster7> annnd the men who hold high places...
[18:55] <Rush2112> When in fact I was not.
[18:55] <Andra> lol
[18:55] <kookyinc> Hey, guess who got arrested today in 1991
[18:55] <GabrielG> the second is I wish by infected mushrooms
[18:55] <atras> someone
[18:55] <kookyinc> Pee Wee Herman
[18:55] <Rush2112> who
[18:55] <GabrielG> the first is I guess your right i dont know the band
[18:55] <atras> REALLY!
[18:55] <kookyinc> Indeedy do!
[18:55] <atras> no way
[18:55] <Ravemaster7> secret word! aaaaaaaah!
[18:55] <GabrielG> huh? lol
[18:56] <Ravemaster7> hahaha he was a vampire in the Buffy movie.
[18:56] <atras> never seen buffy
[18:56] <Andra> me neither
[18:56] <Ravemaster7> oh Paul Reubens, getting arrested for things people do every day.
[18:56] <kookyinc> Hahaha
[18:56] <@naiya> BRB in a few!
[18:56] <atras> smoking weed?
[18:56] <theboarder> so when are we starting this thing?
[18:56] <kookyinc> Masturbating
[18:56] <theboarder> haha i guess in a few
[18:56] <atras> he got arrested for tht
[18:56] <Andra> ha???
[18:57] <Ravemaster7> in a public theater that was showing porn
[18:57] <atras> well thts called public indecency sir
[18:57] <atras> :p
[18:57] <Andra> lol
[18:57] <Ravemaster7> so its like come on, if you leave a sammich on the floor, I might eat it.
[18:57] <atras> no one wanted to see wht he pulled out
[18:57] <Ravemaster7> it was a balloon animal
[18:57] <Ravemaster7> lol
[18:58] <kookyinc> laaaawwwl
[18:58] <Ravemaster7> I wish I could type out the goofy peewee laugh
[18:58] <GabrielG> lol "Ma'am please put your shirt on" "why?" "indecent exposure" "you dont think it's decent?"
[18:58] <atras> someteimes i get rlly confused on cht with like 5 different conversations going on
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[18:58] <atras> hahaahah
[18:58] <@naiya> Mk back
[18:58] <atras> heyyyyy
[18:58] <Ravemaster7> got them lecture notes?
[18:58] <GabrielG> hi
[18:58] <kookyinc> Ello
[18:58] <GabrielG> :
[18:58] <GabrielG> lol
[18:58] <Ravemaster7> :::
[18:59] <Ravemaster7> spidey
[18:59] <@naiya> Lecture notes? yep!
[18:59] <GabrielG> (:::[ ]:: need a band-aid?
[18:59] <atras> ok so a cuple nights ago i had a dream tht a fat man jumped on me and threatened to eat my arms and legs
[18:59] <@naiya> I really shouldn't need them, but we'll need to keep on track...
[18:59] <GabrielG> lol
[18:59] <@naiya> lol Atras. Was he a zombie?
[18:59] <kookyinc> Even the best need them sometimes
[18:59] <atras> no he was hungry
[18:59] <@naiya> Hmm xD
[18:59] <@naiya> Interesting xD
[19:00] <Rush2112> Sarah Palin uses her hand for lecture notes
[19:00] <@naiya> lol.
[19:00] <Ravemaster7> lolol
[19:00] <@naiya> God, please don't compare me to her.
[19:00] <GabrielG> rofl
[19:00] <Rush2112> Haha
[19:00] <Ravemaster7> is that how repudiate turned into refudiate?
[19:00] <atras> do u live in alaska
[19:00] <Rush2112> Me?
[19:00] <kookyinc> Yeah, I think that was uncalled for.
[19:00] <GabrielG> I live in canada
[19:00] <Xqtftqx> and can you see Russia from your house?
[19:00] <atras> ahhaha
[19:00] <@naiya> haha, no, not in alaska thankfully.
[19:00] <Rush2112> Jaja
[19:00] <Rush2112> haha*
[19:00] <atras> no offense to any alaskians
[19:00] <theboarder> don't be hating on alaska
[19:00] <GabrielG> lol
[19:00] * naiya grins
[19:00] <atras> :p
[19:01] * Ravemaster7 tests out emoting
[19:01] <atras> theyre making a movie on facebook
[19:01] <Rush2112> I saw
[19:01] <Rush2112> How freaking dumb
[19:01] <GabrielG> i know
[19:01] <atras> ya haha
[19:01] <@naiya> We'll give it a few more minutes and then I'm going to start the lecture.
[19:01] <Ravemaster7> a movie about it?
[19:01] <GabrielG> lol
[19:01] <atras> its a drama
[19:01] <GabrielG> lol
[19:01] <atras> ya about the founding of facebook
[19:01] <Ravemaster7> that's supremely stupid
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[19:01] <Rush2112> I saw that before Inception and I was like facepalming
[19:01] <atras> yepp
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[19:01] <GabrielG> about the maker of facebook
[19:01] <palmersquall> there we go
[19:02] <kookyinc> Nobody deserves the Palin comparison. I think that the Palin comparison should be a corollary to Godwin's Law.
[19:02] <atras> lol
[19:02] <GabrielG> lol
[19:02] <Ravemaster7> mark zuckerberg called facebook users dumbf*cks
[19:02] <@naiya> lol
[19:02] <Rush2112> Rofl
[19:02] <Rush2112> haha what?
[19:02] <@naiya> Hi pamler
[19:02] <kookyinc> I agree for the most part
[19:02] <atras> iran threatened to arrest him
[19:02] <GabrielG> So when does the class end? I might be going to the midnight line-up for Starcraft II (it's 10:00 PM here)
[19:02] <@naiya> palmer*
[19:02] <palmersquall> hey
[19:02] <@naiya> lol.
[19:02] <@naiya> Class will last about an hour.
[19:02] <Xqtftqx> GabrielG, at 11 i believe
[19:02] <GabrielG> Okay
[19:02] <GabrielG> ty
[19:03] <kookyinc> Yeah, Gabe, East coast!
[19:03] <palmersquall> alright np
[19:03] <GabrielG>
[19:03] <atras> its all about california
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> Ohio
[19:03] <Ravemaster7> I have a friend who worked on that game
[19:03] <@naiya> GabrielG, you'll have to ask your bro to give more details...like...is he sleeping when it happens? Dreaming? I can't tell. :x
[19:03] <palmersquall> i woke up 10 mins before my alarm
[19:03] <GabrielG> IM in Ontario canada D:
[19:03] <palmersquall> for this class
[19:03] <Ravemaster7> he works for Blizzard, he's been so excited about tonight
[19:03] <atras> wooo LA
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[19:03] <@naiya>
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> !up
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> darn :/
[19:03] <atras> hm?
[19:04] <GabrielG> he;s PMing you
[19:04] <GabrielG> Naiya i have kind of a serious question i want to ask you i'll PM you
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[19:04] <Rush2112> I have questions about using binaurals/isochronics with LD techniques
[19:04] <Rush2112> I don't know where to fit them in to that stuff
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[19:05] <@naiya> OK, GabrielG
[19:05] <@naiya> binaurals are not proven to work any better than white noise, i.e. your fan running in the background.
[19:05] <atras> ya all they do is keep me up
[19:05] <@naiya> They help mostly for WILDing, because they cover background noise ect...but yeah, that's about it.
[19:05] <kookyinc> So that's why they didn't work....
[19:05] <@naiya> I can't LD with them because they are too distracting and annoying.
[19:06] <@naiya> I really don't recommend them.
[19:06] <Rush2112> Ok
[19:06] <atras> whts ur suggestion about playing audio tht says ur dreaming on an alarm
[19:06] <Andra> didn't work for me neither
[19:06] <kookyinc> I can't because my headphones hurt my head...
[19:06] <@naiya> Sorry, I know that they often give the impression that they'll give you an instand LD
[19:06] <atras> like having it say it in the middle of the night
[19:06] <kookyinc> And I sleep on my side, so one is pressed up to my ear all night.
[19:07] <Andra> I have that problem too
[19:07] <@naiya> Atras: you can try it, depends on if that will just make you wake up or not. If it's quiet enough to not wake you, and loud enough to hear, then it would probably work.
[19:07] <Andra> ....
[19:07] <atras> ya the problem is everytime ive tried its played when im not ina dream but in deep sleep
[19:07] <@naiya> yeah...
[19:07] <@naiya> IMO...the best way is old skool.
[19:07] <@naiya> basic DILD or WILDs.
[19:07] <Xqtftqx> Theres an app for iPhone that you put under your bed and it wakes you up at the best time, but also records REM
[19:07] <Andra> sure thing
[19:08] <Xqtftqx> so that could be modded to play a tone when you enter REM
[19:08] <@naiya> Unless you want to spring for those goggles that LaBerg uses.
[19:08] <atras> ya ive seen tht Xqtftqx
[19:08] <atras> dream light
[19:08] <Xqtftqx> or say something
[19:08] <@naiya> Hmm, I'll have to try out that app
[19:08] <Rush2112> I think that's a bunch of ubullshit
[19:08] <atras> whts it called do u know
[19:08] <kookyinc> What a cheater, with those goggles...
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[19:08] <@naiya> Anyways, we better start the lecture
[19:08] <muzzy09> that app for the iphone doesnt work so well
[19:08] <Xqtftqx> Uhm, SleepCycle, i wanna say.
[19:08] <kookyinc> No, I'm not jealous or bitter.
[19:08] <james2302> sorry im late
[19:08] <@naiya> Hi James
[19:08] <james2302> hey
[19:08] <atras> hello
[19:08] <@naiya> It's ok, we were just about to start.
[19:08] <james2302> oh good
[19:08] <atras> yayy
[19:09] <Ravemaster7> what do you mean, cheater?
[19:09] <@naiya> So, DILD stands for Dream Induced Lucid Dream, and it's where the dreamer realizes they are dreaming while they're in the dream.
[19:09] <GabrielG> Alright Naiya i sent it
[19:09] <Ravemaster7> Dr. LaBerge invented those goggles... they're scientifical
[19:09] <@naiya> Indeed, they are
[19:09] <@naiya> But expensive as can be
[19:09] <@naiya> Anywho.
[19:10] <@naiya> the main difference between a DILD and a WILD is the break in consciousness.
[19:10] <@naiya> So in a DILD, we have a period where we sort of black out--go into a deep sleep--and then we dream. We get lucid in the dream at some point.
[19:10] <@naiya> For WILD, the dreamer goes directly from being awake to being in the dream, no blackout period at all.
[19:11] <@naiya> They both have their pros and cons.
[19:11] <@naiya> I recommend DILD for beginners, because IMO it's much much easier to learn.
[19:11] <atras> question
[19:11] <@naiya> Most people who have had lucid dreams by accident had some form of DILD.
[19:11] <atras> whts IMO
[19:11] <@naiya> IMO=in my opinion
[19:11] <GabrielG> In my opinion
[19:11] <kookyinc> In my opinion
[19:11] <atras> ok ty
[19:11] <GabrielG>
[19:12] <GabrielG> OKay naiya continue
[19:12] <@naiya> OK, so...the foundation of DILD is dream recall.
[19:12] <@naiya> You need to remember as many dreams and in as much detail as possible.
[19:12] <@naiya> Dream recall, like most things, takes some practice. Some of us will start out with good recall, some will have none at all.
[19:13] <@naiya> The first thing you need to do is start a dream journal, if you haven't already.
[19:13] <@naiya> It can be a paper journal, an online one, or both. Personally, I use both for reasons I'll get to in a sec.
[19:13] <@naiya> Let's start with recalling the dream itself.
[19:14] <@naiya> When you wake up in the morning, or during the night, it is best that you try not to move right away. Try not to move at all, and think about what you were just doing, seeing, feeling, thinking.
[19:14] <@naiya> If you can remember the last moments of the dream, a lot of times you'll be able to recover the entire dream. Just ask yourself, how'd I get there? What happened before that? ect.
[19:15] <Rush2112> Question
[19:15] <@naiya> Try not to be too forceful about it. Sometimes it helps to lay there and think of nothing at all, allowing dream memories to come.
[19:15] <@naiya> Rush, yes?
[19:15] <Rush2112> Ok, so if you've just woken up in the middle of the night
[19:15] <@naiya> Mhm
[19:15] <Rush2112> Does the mean that you for sure just had a dream very recently?
[19:15] <Rush2112> Or do you wake up from other stages
[19:16] <@naiya> Yes. We almost always tend to wake right after the dream, because the sleep stage (REM) which we dream in occurs last in a sleep cycle.
[19:16] <Rush2112> Cool. 1 more
[19:16] <@naiya> This is assuming that you're woken up naturally, of course.
[19:16] <Rush2112> Yeah
[19:16] <@naiya> ok, go ahead
[19:17] <Rush2112> For example, I've started drinking this huge protein shake thing within a couple hours of going to sleep (not for this reason alone of course)
[19:17] <Rush2112> But like
[19:17] <Rush2112> The nights that I've drunken it, I notice I wake up naturally much more than normal
[19:17] <Rush2112> And remember dreams.
[19:17] <Rush2112> Is that in my head?
[19:17] <@naiya> That's probably due to your bladder being so full before bed.
[19:17] <kookyinc> lol
[19:17] <GabrielG> lol
[19:17] <Rush2112> Haha ok
[19:17] <james2302> nice
[19:17] <atras> thts wht i was thinking
[19:18] <Rush2112> I'm going to remember that
[19:18] <kookyinc> I think I like this class
[19:18] <@naiya> Also, remember that with the mind, what we expect to happen will often happen.
[19:18] <@naiya> In other words, it could be a placebo effect.
[19:18] <Rush2112> I thought it was just like... the vitamins in it or something.
[19:18] <@naiya> Although some substances DO increase vividness, recall, ect.
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[19:18] <atras> b vitamins
[19:18] <@naiya> But that's beyond the scope of this class
[19:18] <Rush2112> Now with the placebo, if you suspect it to be a placebo does that ruin the placebo?
[19:18] <@naiya> usually, yes. lol
[19:18] <atras> lol
[19:18] <@naiya> Sorry XD
[19:18] <james2302> lol
[19:18] <Rush2112> Damnit.
[19:19] <kookyinc> Ignorance is bliss
[19:19] <BagO> lol
[19:19] <Rush2112> O
[19:19] <@naiya> Mwahaha. Any more questions before we move on?
[19:19] <Xqtftqx> Quick one
[19:19] <Xqtftqx> if i wake up in the middle of the night, should i get on my lappy to write in the dream journal?
[19:19] <Xqtftqx> or is that a bad idea
[19:19] <@naiya> Yes. you should
[19:19] <GabrielG> you should
[19:20] <atras> b4 u forget
[19:20] <Xqtftqx> Alright, not sure if that would mess anything up.
[19:20] <@naiya> don't worry, I'll get to that now
[19:20] <GabrielG> if you go to sleep mos tlikely in the morning you wont remember that one
[19:20] <@naiya> IT's ALWAYS best to write your dreams down as soon as possible
[19:20] <@naiya> And in as much detail as possible
[19:20] <kookyinc> I heard the light of the laptop screws up one's sleep cycle
[19:20] <@naiya> Even if you think "oh I remember it now" or "oh these notes will jog my memory"
[19:20] <@naiya> Nah, your sleep cycle will be fine.
[19:20] <Rush2112> Does typing them have any less of an impact on your resolve than writing them or...
[19:20] <Ravemaster7> thats only if you look at it for a long time alllll day kooky
[19:21] <kookyinc> Crap. That's me.
[19:21] <@naiya> Yes your body produces hormones based on the amount of light, but it's not gonna mess you up, really.
[19:21] <Ravemaster7> right
[19:21] <@naiya> Anywho, back to DJing
[19:21] <palmersquall> i have my laptop dimmed to max
[19:21] <james2302> dimmed to max?
[19:21] <atras> low light
[19:21] <atras> continue naiya :p
[19:21] <james2302> lol thats an oxymoron
[19:22] <GabrielG> lmao
[19:22] <palmersquall> eh oops
[19:22] <@naiya> Try to write down all the details right away. That's why I keep a paper journal--cause then I can type up the dreams later in the day, or whenever.
[19:22] <@naiya> OK, so what if you have no recall at all?
[19:22] <@naiya> You wake up and it's just...nothing. All black.
[19:22] <@naiya> First of all, again, try to ask yourself what you were doing...and relax. Allow things to come into mind. You'll know if they were in your dream or not.
[19:23] <@naiya> You may ask yourself things like "was my brother there? was I at school?" ect.
[19:23] <@naiya> Finally, if you can't remember anything, JOURNAL anyway! Put something like "No recall." Then write down any feelings or sensations or thoughts you had as you woke up.
[19:24] <@naiya> If you have no recall at all, or you need to improve, one easy way is to do a little autosuggestion. Before you go to bed at night, tell yourself "I will remember my dreams tonight" over and over.
[19:24] <@naiya> Another option is to write it down several times, like in your dream journal.
[19:24] <atras> question
[19:24] <@naiya> yup?
[19:24] <Rush2112> Ok, I have several questions about the pre-sleep mantras and stuff like that
[19:25] <atras> does autosugestion in any way make it more difficult to sleep cuz normally when i try it it takes forever to fall asleep at night
[19:25] <@naiya> OK, let Atras go first, and we'll get to yours, Rush.
[19:25] <Rush2112> Same here
[19:25] <Rush2112> That was my question
[19:25] <GabrielG> ya atras try not to think it too hard
[19:25] <@naiya> Atras: it's different for everyone.
[19:25] <GabrielG> you're focusing too hard lightly think about it
[19:25] <@naiya> The thing is, don't be too strict about it.
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[19:25] <@naiya> Allow yourself to drift off as you're thinking about your mantra
[19:26] <atras> okay
[19:26] <Rush2112> What happens if you lose the train of thought though by thinking too lightly
[19:26] <GabrielG> Sorry for taking over naiya
[19:26] <@naiya> Don't be forceful with your thoughts to keep it going, or it'll keep you awake.
[19:26] <GabrielG> lol
[19:26] <@naiya> No prob, Gabriel
[19:26] <GabrielG> May i say something?
[19:26] <Xqtftqx> Ive found that just saying them 4-5 times then just going to sleep has proven to work
[19:26] <GabrielG> one more thing
[19:26] <Xqtftqx> but that may be just me
[19:26] <@naiya> Sure
[19:26] <kookyinc> Yeah, gently think about it. The mantra.
[19:27] <@naiya> Exactly--you don't have to repeat it all night or anything. Even a few times will help. And try your best to believe it--because it can and does work.
[19:27] <Rush2112> Oh. Well that's the opposite of what I'd been doing :s
[19:27] <Rush2112> I'd been making myself say the mantra like firmly in my head as long as I could... and it never worked.
[19:28] <@naiya> Well, that is one aspect of LDing: it's different for everyone. So if one method works for you, then by all means keep doing it, no matter what anyone tells you
[19:28] <GabrielG> I sort of have something i do every night that helps me have better dream recall but this is just for me it may not work for others, first i go on this site and check out dream journals and so some stuff then i listen to binaural beats for lucid dream then i listen to the song Stop! but ghost k then i listen to a sleeping app on my ipod it's suppsoe to help you relax, but that usually doesn't make me fall asleep then i put my ipod away and im relaxed a
[19:28] <@zebrah> Naiya how many different ideas can you place in a mantra?
[19:28] <@naiya> Zebrah, it's usually best to stick to one thing.
[19:28] <@zebrah> Ok can you use different mantras
[19:29] <@zebrah> Because I never get anywhere with autosuggestion lol
[19:29] <Ravemaster7> you mean different as in from night to night?
[19:29] <@naiya> Sure, you can
[19:29] <Xqtftqx> GabrielG, im listening to stop right now.
[19:29] <@naiya> I wouldn't recommend from night to night, though.
[19:29] <GabrielG> me too
[19:29] <@zebrah> Mmm
[19:29] <@zebrah> Thanks
[19:29] <@naiya> Ideally you want to have the same routine every night. This is very key to LDing.
[19:29] <GabrielG> that song makes me think so yeah
[19:29] <@naiya> But I'll get more into that later
[19:29] <GabrielG> Alright
[19:29] <@naiya> OK so...a few more tips for recall.
[19:29] <@zebrah> Ok so I can have three mantras I do every night
[19:30] <@naiya> When you get up in the morning, DO NOT start thinking about what you have to do that day, what you did the day before, ect ect.
[19:30] <@naiya> That just...kills recall.
[19:30] <@naiya> Zebrah: yeah
[19:30] <Rush2112> Ok.
[19:30] <@zebrah> thanks
[19:31] <@naiya> finally, if it's possible, try not to open your eyes when you wake up
[19:31] <atras> ya ive found keeping my eyes close rlly helps with recall
[19:31] <Rush2112> If you've already opened your eyes should you close them or is it to late
[19:31] <Rush2112> too*
[19:31] <@naiya> That is probably more advanced, but it's something that is great if you can do it or train yourself to.
[19:31] <kookyinc> Any tips for how one goes about breaking that habit?
[19:32] <@naiya> If you're a deep sleeper and you need to get to work/school, set two alarms and be sure they're in arm's reach. So one about 5-1o minutes before you have to get up so you can recall and DJ
[19:32] <@naiya> Kook: Yes. When you wake up and open your eyes, close them right away, and relax.
[19:32] <GabrielG> Oh yeah that reminds me i have a question
[19:32] <@naiya> yes?
[19:33] <kookyinc> Thanks
[19:33] <GabrielG> when summer is over is there classes? D:
[19:33] <atras> lol
[19:33] <@naiya> We will still have classes when summer is over
[19:33] <GabrielG> Becuase if they're at like 10 to 11 that might not work well with me
[19:33] <@naiya> But I have a packed schedule then, so I will not be teaching as much
[19:33] <atras> i find them rlly helpful good job *thumbs up*
[19:33] <GabrielG> But you're awesome D:
[19:34] <@naiya> We will probably have more that don't require lectures or where the lectures are optional.
[19:34] <@naiya> Aw, ty
[19:34] <GabrielG>
[19:34] <@naiya> Anywho, that's about it for recall and DJing.
[19:34] <Rush2112> I think my biggest downfall has been inconcistency tbh
[19:34] <atras> same
[19:34] <@naiya> consistency is VERY important, yes.
[19:34] <Rush2112> I don't think I've gone more than two days with the same "routine"
[19:34] <@zebrah> Some classes will also be more like workshops with information being posted in forums
[19:34] <GabrielG> Oh and naiya are you going to respond to my message after class?
[19:34] <@naiya> GabrielG: I will
[19:35] <GabrielG> my PM
[19:35] <@naiya> And your bro's, too.
[19:35] <GabrielG> okay
[19:35] <GabrielG> ty
[19:35] <GabrielG> alright
[19:35] <@naiya> OK, so...does anyone have a good idea what dream signs are, and knows what their dreamsigns might be?
[19:35] <Rush2112> Now since I'm in the WILD class too, It IS possible to practice both WILDs and DILDs simultaneously right
[19:35] <Rush2112> Oh me!
[19:35] <atras> me!
[19:35] <Xqtftqx> Me!
[19:35] <james2302> i know what they are
[19:35] <@naiya> Rush: sure, I do both DILD and WILD
[19:35] <@naiya> Very very good
[19:35] <Rush2112> Ok.
[19:35] <james2302> but i dont know what mine are
[19:35] <atras> i got an idea from inception
[19:35] <atras> spinning a coin
[19:35] <BagO> I cant find any of my dreamsigns..
[19:35] <Ravemaster7> I have a good idea of what they are, but I don't usually have consistent dreamsigns
[19:35] <james2302> lol inception
[19:36] <Rush2112> I see drugs, mostly pot in a ton of my dreams
[19:36] <BagO> and i probably have 100 dreams written down
[19:36] <Rush2112> And I've never used any in real life so...
[19:36] <@naiya> Well, we'll get to RCs like the totems in Inception later. The totems were not done as well as they could be so I will definitely mention that later
[19:36] <atras> looking at hands
[19:36] <james2302> i need to see inception
[19:36] <Ravemaster7> I became lucid looking at my hands twice. it was freaky
[19:36] <Rush2112> So I guess seeing or using pot is my dreamsign that's repeated a lot
[19:36] <atras> same
[19:36] <Ravemaster7> yes you do, james. so good!
[19:36] <@naiya> So to define a Dreamsign--this is an object, place, person, feeling, ect. that appears in your dreams regularly.
[19:36] <atras> amazinh
[19:36] <GabrielG> well in a lot of my dreams i am in danger of dying but they're not all that scary and my dreams have a lot of video game stuff in them
[19:37] <@naiya> In order to identify your dreamsigns, you must keep track of your dreams, which means journaling them in detail.
[19:37] <GabrielG> like video games i play a lot
[19:37] <@naiya> reamsigns CAN and DO change over time.
[19:37] <@zebrah> Naiya the point of totems was not to see if you were dreaming. It was to see if you were in your dream. Cob's top spinning forever was secondary
[19:37] <james2302> you should rc anytime you play them
[19:37] <atras> ya but it can be used to see if ur dreaming
[19:37] <@naiya> Ah, that's right Zebrah. I need to see the movie again
[19:37] <@zebrah> Lol
[19:37] <@zebrah> I just watched it
[19:37] <@naiya> Well, anywho.
[19:37] <Rush2112> I definitely have a dreamsign category
[19:37] <GabrielG> just did an RC
[19:37] <Rush2112> That appears mos toften
[19:37] <Rush2112> Is that useful?
[19:38] <@naiya> I will now make a shameless plug for our website
[19:38] <james2302> were you dreaming?
[19:38] <GabrielG> nope
[19:38] <GabrielG>
[19:38] <james2302> lol
[19:38] <Ravemaster7> actually, a totem was only good for seeing if you were in another person's dream
[19:38] <@naiya> IF you use Dreamviews DJ system, it will help your track your dreamsigns.
[19:38] <Ravemaster7> as dreams are created from our expectations, if you are in your own dream, you could expect it to behave normally
[19:38] <@naiya> All you have to do is tag the things in each dream, and the tag cloud in your menu will show the things that appear most often.
[19:38] <Rush2112> I use Lucidipedia for dream journaing because the interface is easy
[19:39] <atras> i use an ipod app called reams
[19:39] <atras> dreams
[19:39] <james2302> i should use the tags more often
[19:39] <@naiya> Either way, if you want to DILD, knowing your dreamsigns is very important.
[19:39] <GabrielG> atras ima check that out now
[19:39] <@naiya> I have that app. xD
[19:39] <atras>
[19:39] <GabrielG> but i usually use the notes part of my ipod
[19:39] * Xqtftqx goes to check if its on android
[19:39] <atras> tht wud work too
[19:40] <GabrielG> lol
[19:40] <james2302> i bet it is
[19:40] <@naiya> Anywho...the point of the dreamsign is to be aware of it, and RC when you see it IRL.
[19:40] <GabrielG> atras is it just called dreams? :d
[19:40] <GabrielG> ;D
[19:40] <atras> yes
[19:40] <GabrielG> hmm cant find it
[19:40] <@naiya> This habit, just like a normal RC, will eventually carry over into your dreams and get your lucid.
[19:41] <james2302> lol how is rush supposed to rc with pot if he doesnt do it?
[19:41] <GabrielG> nvm found it okay continue Naiya
[19:41] <Ravemaster7> the only RC that ever carried over for me was looking at my hands :/
[19:41] <atras> has a moon as the label
[19:41] <@zebrah> Might I add it is important to remind yourself why you are doing a reality check. Simply doing it doesnt help
[19:41] <@naiya> hehe
[19:41] <@naiya> Yeah.
[19:41] <Ravemaster7> even though i do the finger-through-palm and nosehold ones quite often..
[19:41] <@naiya> We will be getting deeper into RCs in the next lecture
[19:41] <GabrielG> oh dreambook?
[19:41] <@zebrah> ok lol
[19:41] <Ravemaster7> right, you have to seriously question your state of consciousness
[19:42] <atras> purple background witha moon
[19:42] <atras> it just says dreams on my ipod
[19:42] <Ravemaster7> 'is this a dream? could this be happening in a dream?'
[19:42] <GabrielG> oh dream journal
[19:42] <@naiya> With a moon, yes
[19:42] * naiya has that one too
[19:42] <GabrielG>
[19:42] <atras> ahha
[19:42] <GabrielG> 2 bucks D;
[19:42] <GabrielG> i might get in trouble for buying it but w/e
[19:42] <atras> rlly
[19:42] <Xqtftqx> Android app is a double rainbow lol
[19:42] <GabrielG> lol
[19:42] <atras> i got it for 99 cents
[19:43] <Ravemaster7> lolol
[19:43] <@naiya> But yeah...dreamsigns are pretty simple that way. Keep track of your current ones, read your dream journal, read other people's journals, and spot the dreamsigns.
[19:43] <Ravemaster7> all the way across the sky
[19:43] <GabrielG>
[19:43] <GabrielG> It's beautiful *breaks into tears*
[19:43] <@naiya> Hmm 15 minutes left....
[19:43] <GabrielG> guys shut up
[19:43] <@naiya> Shall we go over awareness or Rcing?
[19:43] <GabrielG> continue naiya
[19:43] <GabrielG> Okay *stares with eyes bulging out*
[19:44] <james2302> don't you mean 8D ?
[19:44] <@naiya> Mayhaps we'll try to get through RCing
[19:44] <GabrielG> 8D
[19:44] <@naiya> OK, so everyone probably knows basically what a reality check is yeah? You're testing to see if you're dreaming or not.
[19:44] <kookyinc> I vote save awareness for next time. That's just me though.
[19:44] <atras> ya
[19:45] <@naiya> The concept is very simple, but a lot of people fall into the trap of doing it wrong
[19:45] <Ravemaster7> critical state test!
[19:45] <@naiya> The most important thing about RCing is to be AWARE of what you're doing. Don't just mindlessly go "am I dreaming? *pinch* nope"
[19:45] <@naiya> IF you spend less than 5 seconds RCing, generally it's not gonna help much.
[19:46] <@naiya> When you RC, you first need to step back, take a deep breath, and look around you.
[19:46] <@naiya> Look at the world objectively.
[19:46] <@naiya> Does it make sense?
[19:46] <@naiya> How did you get here?
[19:46] <@naiya> Who are these people?
[19:46] <@naiya> Why are you here?
[19:46] <@naiya> What were you doing last? Can you remember?
[19:47] <@naiya> It's VERY important to answer these questions with LOGIC.
[19:47] <Xqtftqx> So punching the wall = bad idea?
[19:47] <@naiya> hehehe
[19:47] <Ravemaster7> only if you honestly expect it to hurt
[19:47] <GabrielG> oh btw xqt how are your fingers?
[19:47] <Xqtftqx> A little sore..
[19:47] <atras> lol
[19:47] <GabrielG> * tsk tsk*
[19:47] <atras> u can feel pain in dreams
[19:47] <@naiya> Now ask yourself, "Why would this be real?" --so start off ASSUMING that it is a dream.
[19:47] <@zebrah> In dreams your mind will try to rationalize. It will make up a story so it is important to do a mental check
[19:48] <@naiya> This will make it easier to RC when you ARE dreaming.
[19:48] <@naiya> Now, you may try to confirm the RC by doing the test.
[19:48] <@naiya> Pinch your nose, try to make a pen float, ect. ect.
[19:48] <atras> can i say something
[19:48] <@naiya> Sure
[19:49] <@naiya> And btw--don't sorry about assuming reality is a dream. You're not gonna go crazy and end up believing reality is a dream and jumping off a cliff
[19:49] <atras> i find tht rc's tht regard pain or unability to breathe dont always work becuz i sometimes feel pain in my dreams, and have had the feeling of not being able to breathe before
[19:49] <@naiya> don't worry* <<
[19:49] <@naiya> Yes, you do actually feel pain in dreams.
[19:50] <james2302> sometimes
[19:50] <atras> so i find those rc's unreliable
[19:50] <@zebrah> Pain is in the mind
[19:50] <@naiya> And like you, I've not been able to breathe in a dream, too.
[19:50] <@naiya> This is why you have to select these tests carefully.
[19:50] <@naiya> For example, the finger through the palm always seems to work for me.
[19:50] <@naiya> It may not work for another person.
[19:50] <james2302> same here
[19:50] <atras> unless ur mind makes it so ur finger doesnt go through :p
[19:50] <@naiya> If you do the test in a dream and it FAILS, then stop doing that test.
[19:51] <@naiya> atras: that's the thing, it always does
[19:51] <Ravemaster7> atras, the thing is, in your dreams you control your mind
[19:51] <kookyinc> The memory recall almost always works for me. Just saying.
[19:51] <@naiya> But the reason it works is that I have already RCed--so I already expect to see my finger go through.
[19:51] <atras> never tried memory recall but it makes sense
[19:51] <BagO> question
[19:51] <@naiya> Bag0: yup?
[19:52] <BagO> Is it OK to do multiple reality checks at one time like look at hands pinch nose and push your finger through your palm? Or should they be done seperate times
[19:52] <@naiya> yes, it's very ok
[19:52] <@naiya> As long as you don't mind looking weird doing all those things, lol.
[19:52] <james2302> at the exact same time?
[19:52] <BagO> lol
[19:52] <@zebrah> Well I would make them separate
[19:52] <Ravemaster7> is it ok to chain combo moves in mortal combat?
[19:52] <@naiya> lol.
[19:53] <BagO> noooo
[19:53] <@zebrah> Yes
[19:53] <atras> the thing with rc's is i find tht the habbit never carries over to my dreams
[19:53] <BagO> not at the same time
[19:53] <Ravemaster7> crap no i might win that way
[19:53] <BagO> at the same reality check you do them in order
[19:53] <@naiya> Ok, so to make RCing really work.
[19:53] <james2302> ah, gotcha
[19:53] <@naiya> You need to be consistent with them
[19:53] <@zebrah> You don't want RCs to be a habbit but a state of mind
[19:53] <@naiya> That is the key
[19:53] <atras> ya i havent been very consistent XD
[19:53] <@zebrah> If you just do it by habit you most likely will not become lucid
[19:53] <@naiya> Doing random RCs helps, but it helps much more to do them for dreamsigns and always at the same things.
[19:54] <james2302> as soon as were done, imma go back and re-tag all of my new dj entries
[19:55] <atras> same
[19:55] <@zebrah> Why does it help more with dream signs?
[19:55] <james2302> see if i can find me a dreamsign
[19:55] <@zebrah> just like an anchor?
[19:55] <@naiya> Anywho, other good RCs include reading the same thing twice to see if it's the same, checking to see if electronics are working properly, looking at your hands, ect.
[19:55] <Ravemaster7> flick a lightswitch
[19:55] <atras> i do the read same thing twice once in a dream and it stayed the same..
[19:55] <@naiya> It helps more with dreamsigns because it ensures that the habit will carry over when you are actually dreaming.
[19:55] <atras> lol
[19:55] <@naiya> So let's say I dream of a dog every night
[19:55] <@zebrah> Ok I see
[19:55] <@naiya> If I RC every time I see a dog IRL, soon this will become a habit
[19:56] <@naiya> That habit will eventually carry over into my dreams. I will see a dog, and then RC.
[19:56] <Rush2112> What if it's something you do NOT see daily or ever
[19:56] <Ravemaster7> but that's if your *dreams* are consistent
[19:56] <Rush2112> Like for me, marijuana
[19:56] <james2302> lol thats what i said
[19:56] <atras> then u need to get some weed...lol jk
[19:56] <@naiya> Rush: if you don't see your dreamsign IRL, that is actually even better
[19:57] <Rush2112> Yeah but how?
[19:57] <Rush2112> How can I associate my mind with it then
[19:57] <james2302> do an RC every time you think of pot
[19:57] <@naiya> When this is the case, what you want to do is, associate that object with dreaming.
[19:57] <@naiya> Whenever you think of it, RC, and remind yourself that if you DO see it, you're dreaming
[19:57] <atras> so seeing pot in reality is like an impossibility for u
[19:58] <atras> so if u see it u know ur dreaming
[19:58] <atras> lightbulb
[19:58] <@naiya> yup
[19:58] <atras> :p
[19:58] <@naiya> I have a certain DC
[19:58] <@naiya> he doesn't exist IRL
[19:58] <@naiya> but he's in a lot of my dreams
[19:58] <Ravemaster7> watch the news; industrial growing just became legal in oakland CA so you might see it more on TV
[19:58] <@naiya> I get lucid the second I see him
[19:58] <Rush2112> Thing is, I have ADD and my memory isn't great
[19:58] <Ravemaster7> do an RC then
[19:58] <Rush2112> I wont' "remember" that pot is a dreamsign if I see it
[19:58] <@naiya> ADD is no excuse!!
[19:58] <Xqtftqx> Rush2112, dont worry you will
[19:58] <Ravemaster7> if you think you won't, you're right
[19:58] <Rush2112> Growing hemp became legal?
[19:59] <@naiya> My brother has ADD and he's an avid lucid dreamer
[19:59] <Rush2112> Awsome
[19:59] <Rush2112> Good to know
[19:59] <Ravemaster7> no, growing medicinal marijuana
[19:59] <@naiya> hehe
[19:59] <Rush2112> Oh
[19:59] <GabrielG> Naiya i have a question, are you like friends with any DCs that dont exist irl? I've always wanted that to happen to me
[19:59] <Xqtftqx> I have ADD too, and youll only have problem remembering things if you dont want to
[19:59] <Rush2112> Growing hemp shouldn't be illegal
[19:59] <Rush2112> That's the biggest BS law
[19:59] <Ravemaster7> hemp should have been legal decades ago, it's better than paper and fabrics
[19:59] <@naiya> GabrielG: I am with some of them, yep.
[19:59] <Ravemaster7> but that's off topic
[19:59] <GabrielG> cool
[19:59] <Rush2112> EXACLTY'
[19:59] <atras> hemp is good as a fabric
[19:59] <@naiya> We're just about out of time, so...hmm.
[19:59] <GabrielG> but do they act weird or are they pretty realistic?
[19:59] <@zebrah> and paper
[19:59] <Rush2112> It was legal during WW2 because the gov was desparate for it
[19:59] <atras> focus
[20:00] <@naiya> They act very very realistic. Scarily so.
[20:00] <Rush2112> But then when it was over they returned to their shitty "no hemp" stance
[20:00] <GabrielG> guys let's stay on topic here
[20:00] <GabrielG> lol
[20:00] <GabrielG> cool
[20:00] <@naiya> Well, let's see. I think that just about covers RCing.
[20:00] <@naiya> I will probably ramble about it some more next time cause I'm sure I forgot a bunch.
[20:00] <@naiya> All I want to say is that I don't recommend using RCs by themselves.
[20:00] <Ravemaster7> it's about time for some of us on the east coast to put some of this knowledge to work!
[20:00] <@naiya> IMO, RCs go best with MILD.
[20:01] <@naiya> hehe
[20:01] <BagO> What is MILD again?
[20:01] <Rush2112> OK, what's our assignment again
[20:01] <@naiya> Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dream
[20:01] <atras> so our workbooks r supposed to be our dream journals?
[20:01] <james2302> Mnemonic
[20:01] <atras> mantras
[20:01] <@naiya> And we'll cover MILD next time, or the time after
[20:01] <@naiya> Workbooks are your dream journals + your assignments, yes.
[20:01] <GabrielG> So how do we get to our workbooks?
[20:01] <GabrielG>
[20:01] <GabrielG> What's our homework?
[20:01] <@naiya> Assignment: Each student must start a mandatory dream journal and post in it for the duration of the course, even if no dreams are remembered students must still post something, professors should be actively monitoring and giving suggestions to those students who have poor/no recall, and helping students identify dream signs
[20:02] <james2302> sleep
[20:02] <Xqtftqx> Sounds exciting
[20:02] <@naiya> Assignment: Practice RCs throughout the day
[20:02] <@naiya>
[20:02] <atras> DV Academy section is where they r
[20:02] <james2302> lol already started
[20:02] <@naiya> Yep. The Student Workbook forum
[20:02] <@naiya> This pretty much concludes this class.
[20:02] <Xqtftqx> Thank you naiya
[20:02] <@naiya> I'll stay after for an hour for any questions, though.
[20:02] <Rush2112> Thanks a bunch
[20:02] <atras> next class is wednesday?
[20:03] <james2302> thanks for the class
[20:03] <Rush2112> Next class Weds?
[20:03] <@naiya> yup, weds
[20:03] <BagO> Yeah thanks a lot
[20:03] <atras> thanks
[20:03] <james2302> i needs to sleep now
[20:03] <james2302> bye everyone
[20:03] <GabrielG> how do i go to the workbook forum?
[20:03] <Rush2112> Bye
[20:03] <Ravemaster7> bye everyone!
[20:03] <kookyinc> Later guys
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[20:03] <kookyinc> Thanks for the lesson
[20:03] <Ravemaster7> good luck dreaming tonight
[20:03] <GabrielG> cya everyone!
[20:03] <@naiya> It's a subforum of DVA
[20:03] <@naiya> http://www.dreamviews.com/f86/
[20:03] <atras> http://www.dreamviews.com/f86/
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[20:03] <@zebrah> Night
[20:04] <Xqtftqx> Ive still got +3 hours of my night xD
[20:04] <atras> same
[20:04] <@naiya> it's only 8pm here
[20:04] <GabrielG> So do i just reply to it or what?
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[20:04] <atras> start a thread
[20:04] <GabrielG> how?
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[20:04] <atras> post new thread button
[20:04] <GabrielG> i dont see that D:
[20:04] <atras> r u logged in
[20:05] <Xqtftqx> you gotta be to see the forum
[20:05] <GabrielG> yeah
[20:05] <atras> r u in the workbook section
[20:05] <GabrielG> yeah
[20:05] <atras> at the top of the page
[20:05] <atras> it says post new thread
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[20:06] <GabrielG> i dont see it
[20:06] <atras> right above the thing tht says Forum: Student Workbooks
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[20:06] <GabrielG> i just see Thread:student workbooks how do i go to the forum for it? lol
[20:06] <@naiya> thread? o.O
[20:06] <@naiya> http://www.dreamviews.com/f86/
[20:07] <GabrielG> I
[20:07] <atras> click on students workbooks
[20:07] <GabrielG> Ah
[20:07] <GabrielG> Okay
[20:07] <atras> yaaaa XD
[20:07] <GabrielG> lol ty
[20:07] <atras> see it now
[20:07] <@naiya>
[20:07] <GabrielG> so once i put my thread then yo enter new stuff to it what do i do?
[20:08] <GabrielG> I dont really understand this stuff
[20:08] <@naiya> Hehe. You make a thread in student workbooks.
[20:08] <@naiya> It will be your thread--your workbook.
[20:08] <GabrielG> how do i add something like a dream journal entry to my thread?
[20:08] <@naiya> You will post all the dreams you have each day while you're in the class, plus assignments.
[20:08] <atras> just reply
[20:08] <@naiya> copy and paste the text from your dream journal
[20:08] <@naiya> or reply and type up the dream
[20:08] <GabrielG> oh reply?
[20:09] <GabrielG> Okay thank you
[20:09] <GabrielG> alright it's up so im gonna go now good night everybody sweet dreams!
[20:09] <atras> hey Naiya
[20:09] <GabrielG> Naiya thank you so much for the help and stuff
[20:10] <GabrielG> you're the best
[20:10] <atras> my dream journal is on my ipod which cannot connect to interentt for like a couple days so i wont have any dreams in my workbook until i can concect it
[20:10] <atras> is tht ok
[20:10] <@naiya>
[20:10] <@naiya> no prob, atras.
[20:10] <atras> ok cool
[20:10] <GabrielG> night atras
[20:10] <atras> night gabe
[20:11] <@naiya> as long as your journal every day, I mean ideally you post them too, but it's more important for yourself to journal them somehow.
[20:11] <GabrielG> Cya wednesday Naiya
[20:11] <atras> ya theyll be up prolly by wednesday
[20:11] <@naiya> bye gabriel
[20:11] <@naiya> no prob, weds is fine
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[20:12] <atras> ok im gonna go..thanks so much for the class night
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[20:13] <@naiya> night
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[20:28] <@naiya> Oh right...I should record the logs

In this lecture we covered awareness and MILD.

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[18:45] == naiya [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
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[18:46] <Xqtftqx> Hola naiya
[18:46] <@naiya> hey
[18:47] <Xqtftqx> Saw inception today
[18:47] <@naiya> oooh
[18:47] <@naiya> did you like it?
[18:47] <Xqtftqx> Yeah, but not gonna lie, kinda scared me about this xD
[18:47] <Xqtftqx> dont wanna enter limbo
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[18:48] <GabrielG> hey
[18:48] <@naiya> hi
[18:48] <GabrielG> sup
[18:49] <@naiya> Not much
[18:49] <GabrielG>
[18:50] <GabrielG> MY dreams are making me angry > there is one that I really like that is in my dream journal
[18:51] <@naiya> aww why?
[18:51] <GabrielG> but a lot of the others just put me in a bad mood
[18:52] <GabrielG> Well one one of them i dont really wanna type it all out cuz the actually dream journal is on my ipod**but I was in a dark city and there were gangster people and everything and when i woke up i was just like
[18:52] <GabrielG> And the fact that they're getting shorter and less vivid
[18:53] <@naiya> aww yeah
[18:53] <Xqtftqx> naiya, after watching inception, i realized why the RC you told us about yesterday made sense
[18:53] <@naiya> well, just keep journaling them
[18:53] <@naiya>
[18:53] <GabrielG> I will
[18:53] <@naiya> Woot.
[18:53] <Xqtftqx> you never remember the beggining of a dream
[18:53] <Xqtftqx> atleats, i dont
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[18:53] <atras> hey guys
[18:53] <GabrielG> Ya i dont
[18:54] <GabrielG> hey atras
[18:54] <atras> hey Naiya sorry I wasnt at the WILD lecture last night i was away from my computer and my iphone wasnt working
[18:54] <GabrielG> Lol atras it turned out my friend did have a cousin my age with brown hair(like the girl from the dream) but she isn't as beautiful as the dream girl
[18:54] <GabrielG> does*
[18:54] <GabrielG> not did D:
[18:54] <GabrielG> lol
[18:54] <atras> hm maybe a shared dream?
[18:55] <GabrielG> Maybe, i dunnp
[18:55] <GabrielG> dunno*
[18:55] <@naiya> No prob, atras.
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[18:55] <GabrielG> I was at my friends house I was like "Hey do you have a cousin my age with brown hair?" He said yeah and showed me a picture, i looked**and said "nah that's not her"
[18:56] <kookyinc> Yeah, made it with 5 minutes to spare, SUCKAAAAAAAAA
[18:56] <GabrielG>
[18:56] <GabrielG> I made it with like 10 or 15 but i've been waiting to join
[18:56] <atras> ah haha so she didnt look anything like her
[18:56] <GabrielG> no
[18:56] <atras> did the girl in ur dream give u a name
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[18:57] <GabrielG> Naiya did you read the thing in my workbook called "I night to remember"?
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[18:57] <@naiya> Not yet, Gabriel I usually read journals before bed.
[18:57] <GabrielG> OH and also I actually do see a lot of billboards in my dreams
[18:57] <GabrielG> It's not a dream journal but something that made me think about dreaming and stuff
[18:57] <atras> oh by the way i got my dreams in the workbook Naiya
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[18:58] <@naiya> cool
[18:58] <GabrielG> wait is today the 28th?
[18:58] <james2302> ha, came early today
[18:58] <@naiya> yes
[18:58] <atras> yep
[18:58] <GabrielG> i gotta check if i posted my dream journal entry for today in the workbook D:
[18:58] <GabrielG> i forgot
[18:58] <atras> lol my dreams were too freaky that i didnt write them down today
[18:58] <GabrielG> lol
[18:59] <atras> it was wierd i was like mentally unstable in my dreams
[18:59] <GabrielG> ok good i did
[18:59] <GabrielG> lol
[18:59] <atras> not as much attendance today
[18:59] <kookyinc> I haven't gotten around to typing up my dreams yet. I have a lot of catching up to do.
[18:59] <GabrielG> Hmmm anyone seen that "post pictures of you without discussion" ting?
[19:00] <GabrielG> thing*
[19:00] <atras> yep i haev
[19:00] <atras> i havent posted my pic tho
[19:00] <GabrielG> IM gonna post my picture there
[19:00] <atras> not yet at least
[19:00] <GabrielG> Check it out
[19:00] <atras> im to lazy to find a good pic haha
[19:00] <GabrielG> just gotta get my camera
[19:00] <GabrielG> lol
[19:00] <@naiya> We'll start in a few minutes, guys. :0
[19:00] <james2302> ok
[19:00] <GabrielG> I am gonna post a pic that makes me look older then 13
[19:00] <GabrielG> ok brb
[19:01] <Xqtftqx> naiya, mind if i ask you some stuff after the lecture? Im considering working on a iPhone application
[19:01] <@naiya> sure
[19:01] <@naiya> I'll stay for a while after class for any questions.
[19:01] <atras> a dreamviews app?
[19:01] <GabrielG> whats it gonna be like
[19:02] <atras> u shud make a mobile version of dreamviews :p
[19:02] <GabrielG> ya
[19:02] <Xqtftqx> Hopefully an app that will monitor your sleeping state
[19:02] <Xqtftqx> and when you start to dream
[19:02] <GabrielG> hmm
[19:02] <atras> thts cool too
[19:02] <Xqtftqx> tell you
[19:02] <atras> u program?
[19:02] <Xqtftqx> i do
[19:02] <atras> cool
[19:02] <james2302> how will it know? timer?
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[19:02] <!Alex> there you go
[19:02] <atras> the accelerometer?
[19:02] <@naiya> ~_~
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> james2302, accelerometer
[19:03] <AspirationRealized> Hello everyone. I am more or less sitting in
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> gonna take a lot of work though, and a lot of studying
[19:03] <james2302> ah, like movements
[19:03]*** AspirationRealized sits in the back of the class
[19:03] <GabrielG> lol
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> yes, either an iPhone application or a small piece of hardware. Much cheaper than the glasses
[19:03] <atras> um ok :p
[19:03] <atras> ok just a suggestion
[19:03] <james2302> *throws paper airplane
[19:03] <atras> make it work :p
[19:04] <Xqtftqx> Whats the point if it doesnt work
[19:04] <atras> a lotta iphone apps dont work
[19:04] <atras> haha
[19:04] <GabrielG> *shoots spittball at naiya*
[19:04] <GabrielG> hehehee
[19:04] <atras> detention!
[19:04] <@naiya> >_>
[19:04] <GabrielG>
[19:04]*** AspirationRealized takes notes
[19:04] <Xqtftqx> im done talking
[19:04] <atras> takes notes on what :p
[19:04] <james2302> our bad behavior
[19:05] <atras> exactly
[19:05] <AspirationRealized> Am I not welcome here?
[19:05] <AspirationRealized> I figured being a member I was ok for this
[19:05] <atras> course u r :p
[19:05] <AspirationRealized> I'll leave if anyone has a problem with me being here
[19:05] <AspirationRealized> I'm a guest
[19:06] <GabrielG> Hey naiya Andra say's she's having trouble getting into this
[19:06] <@naiya> Yeah lemme PM her
[19:06] <GabrielG> ok
[19:06] <atras> was Andra here last time
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[19:07] <atras> hi
[19:07] <BagO> Hello
[19:07] <AspirationRealized> What was the subject last time? And what's the subject this time? I heard it was DILD
[19:07] <atras> u heard correctly
[19:07] <kookyinc> Oh, Jesus, I'm in a LD class and watching Billy the Exterminator at the same time. How epic is this? Also, yes,
[19:07] <kookyinc> DILD
[19:08] <AspirationRealized> last subject was?
[19:08] <atras> DILD
[19:08] <atras> reality checks
[19:08] <kookyinc> And recall
[19:08] <atras> dream recal
[19:08] <AspirationRealized> oh ok
[19:08] <@naiya> OK, PMed, hopefully that will help.
[19:08] <AspirationRealized> I think I should've been here for that
[19:08] <AspirationRealized> but anyway, continue
[19:08]*** AspirationRealized tries not to further disrupt
[19:08] <atras> naiya posts the lectures
[19:08] <@naiya> Yeah let's get started.
[19:08] <kookyinc> I'm excited.
[19:08] <atras> i mean i was saying u post them afterwards
[19:08] <atras> lol i wasnt saying to start :p
[19:09] <@naiya> OK so last time we covered recall, RCing and dreamsigns
[19:10] <GabrielG> http://www.dreamviews.com/f28/post-p...ml#post1507341 Im at the bottom :O
[19:10] <@naiya> This time I want to talk a little bit about awareness and hopefully spend the rest of the time on MILD since that's the main focus of the class.
[19:10] <GabrielG> I look girly but im a guy D:
[19:10] <atras> u dont look girly lol
[19:11] <GabrielG>
[19:11] <@naiya> So does anyone here meditate?
[19:12] <atras> i do
[19:12] <atras> well i just started
[19:12] <BagO> I do
[19:12] <kookyinc> Yes
[19:12] <AspirationRealized> I used to, in martial arts class. its likely not the same thing however
[19:12] <@naiya> Good Meditation teaches the kind of awareness that helps you get lucid without really trying.
[19:12] <GabrielG> I've done it a few times but I might start doing it a lot
[19:12] <atras> i just need tips on good meditation
[19:12] <GabrielG> Ya me too
[19:12] <atras> cuz i just kinda guessed
[19:12] <@naiya> Well, Google is the best place for that
[19:12] <GabrielG> woosaaa
[19:13] <@naiya> most meditations are extremely simple, so don't worry.
[19:13] <@naiya> Most people go through their days thinking about where they need to be going next, and what they need to be doing, and wondering where they should be eating. They spend very little time being truly aware of their surroundings.
[19:13] <AspirationRealized> Hmm. I'm almost never aware of my surroundings.
[19:13] <@naiya> The easy way to LD is a state of constant awareness. Make your day one big long reality check. Only instead of a specific RC, begin to question everything around you at once. Quiet your mind, and simply be aware of your state of consciousness. Be aware of the FEELING of LIVING and being AWAKE. It's a much different feeling than being asleep or even astral projecting.
[19:13] <atras> me neither
[19:13] <GabrielG> lol
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[19:13] <@naiya> Yay
[19:13] <@naiya> Glad you made it
[19:13] <Andra> yep
[19:14] <GabrielG>
[19:14] <Andra> me to :d
[19:14] <AspirationRealized> my friend, Billybob... he could identify any object in a room, and its position, after being there for three minutes and leaving
[19:14] <GabrielG> yay
[19:14] <AspirationRealized> is that what you mean?
[19:14] <@naiya> Well, yes, kind of
[19:14] <@naiya> You definitely want to pay attention and be an observer in your own life
[19:14] <GabrielG> thats pretty awesome
[19:15] <Andra> and king of weird...in a good way
[19:15] <@naiya> The goal is to always have yourself unconsciously aware of your surroundings.
[19:15] <@naiya> IMO natural lucid dreamers all do this.
[19:15] <AspirationRealized> could you elaborate on what you mean though?
[19:15] <xergius> specifically the people?
[19:15] <@naiya> But that's just my theory
[19:15] <AspirationRealized> define "aware" and "surroundings" in this context, I mean
[19:15] <AspirationRealized> if you like o0 I'm just curious
[19:15] <@naiya> Aspir: basically, on some level, you always are aware of where you are, what you're doing, how you got there and why.
[19:16] <atras> so r u constantly asking and telling urself tht
[19:16] <@naiya> instead of being focused on what you are doing now, what you need to do, ect.
[19:16] <AspirationRealized> and not concentrated on what you're doing
[19:16] <AspirationRealized> ok
[19:16] <@naiya> exactly
[19:16] <AspirationRealized> but surroundings
[19:16] <AspirationRealized> what do you mean by that?
[19:16] <atras> well wht if we r at school and have to concencatre on like a lecture or such
[19:16] <AspirationRealized> is it sensational, is it mental placement?
[19:16] <@naiya> if you're too zoned out or too focused on what you're doing, you will never notice anything around you
[19:16] <AspirationRealized> spatial awareness?
[19:16] <@naiya> for example a purple elephant could walk by your laptop and you wouldn't notice
[19:17] <GabrielG> that happened to me once
[19:17] <atras> lol
[19:17] <GabrielG> ... dont ask
[19:17] <Andra> hehe
[19:17] <@naiya> If you're at school, ys you have to concentrate on the lecture, but this is something you learn to do unconsciously. So every time you look up from your paper, you'll be scanning the room.
[19:17] <atras> ya
[19:17] <AspirationRealized> hm
[19:17] <Xqtftqx> Ive been doing that for a long time
[19:18] <@naiya> Good
[19:18] <AspirationRealized> well. I'll ask you later, so as not to slow down the class on my account alone
[19:18] <atras> i find sometimes when im at the beach to just look at my surroundings
[19:18] <AspirationRealized> I'll listen more now
[19:18] <kookyinc> Any tips as for how to increase awareness or practice increasing awareness? Meditation helps me relax, not be more aware of my surroundings, methinks.
[19:18] <@naiya> The best thing is to practice meditation.
[19:18] <kookyinc> Alright.
[19:18] <AspirationRealized> I heard once, in a study utilizing brain scans
[19:18] <atras> well when u meditate dont u keep ur eyes closed
[19:18] <AspirationRealized> that when people are in deep meditation
[19:18] <AspirationRealized> the part of the mind that deals with "vigilance" is most active
[19:18] <@naiya> You do keep your eyes closed, but what you cultivate is awareness and mindfulness.
[19:18] <AspirationRealized> I think that's what Naiya is talking about
[19:19] <@naiya> yeah
[19:19] <atras> true
[19:19] <@naiya> Also, some meditations you do have your eyes open
[19:19] <@naiya> Like walking meditations.
[19:19] <GabrielG> Hey naiya my family is going into our hot tub and I want to go in but i want to stay here D:
[19:19] <AspirationRealized> I wish I had saved the study, it'd be nice to show you all, but alas, I never bookmarked it. I am sorry
[19:19] <@naiya> Gabriel: your call.
[19:19] <GabrielG> hm
[19:19] <@naiya> In any case, there is a second part to learning awareness.
[19:20] <kookyinc> I mostly do the one in which I clear my mind by focusing on a candle flame. Should I try another method?
[19:20] <GabrielG> Do you have the lecture like already written down or typed out on your computer?
[19:20] <@naiya> When you DO have a lucid dream, pay close attention to the way it FEELS.
[19:20] <@naiya> No, I don't
[19:20] <GabrielG>
[19:20] <@naiya> I do it live
[19:20] <@naiya> DO IT LIVE!
[19:20] <GabrielG> ;D
[19:20] <kookyinc> looooool
[19:20] <atras> she will post the lecture right?
[19:20] <@naiya> I'll post it in the syllbaus after it's over.
[19:20] <AspirationRealized> I'll write it, and Naiya will do it live
[19:20] <@naiya>
[19:21] <@naiya> ok don't get me started or I'll be quoting that all night lmao.
[19:21]*** AspirationRealized apologizes
[19:21] <@naiya> what does that mean, to play us out?!
[19:21] <GabrielG> Okay if you read in my workbook the night to remember happened in my hottub**so I would like to go so will it be in the syllabus?
[19:21] <@naiya> anyways XD
[19:21] <@naiya> yes it will always be posted in the syllabus.
[19:21] <GabrielG> Okay, one second
[19:21] <@naiya> So yeah...you want to pay attention to the difference between the dream and reality.
[19:22] <@naiya> These differences are very subtle
[19:22] <@naiya> So I couldn't explain them to you--you need to feel them yourself.
[19:22] <atras> when i have ld's i feel like my mind is racing
[19:22] <@naiya> Most Lders just say "well, the dream feels dreamy!"
[19:22] <@naiya> Good that brings up another point--everyone may be different in how they experience dreams.
[19:22] <GabrielG> Okay naiya im going cya guys! and naiya i will try meditating tomorrow im so sorry im leaving i'll be early and stay next class okay?
[19:23] <@naiya> bye, Gabriel
[19:23] <kookyinc> Later Gabe
[19:23] <atras> cya
[19:23] <GabrielG> bye everyone
[19:23] <Andra> Bye!
[19:23] <GabrielG> pce and sweet dreams
[19:23] <@naiya> If you aren't lucid, you can still do this by thinking about how the dream felt just after you wake up, and trying to remember how it felt.
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[19:24] <@naiya> cultivating awareness to become lucid is extremely effective when mastered--however, it can take years to learn.
[19:24] <@naiya> That about sums that up
[19:24] <AspirationRealized> dream yoga right?
[19:24] <@naiya> yup, dream yoga.
[19:24] <atras> things are always strange when im dreaming, and unlife like, i just dont realize it
[19:24] <@naiya> Let's move on to MILD.
[19:24] <AspirationRealized> like that workshop...
[19:24] <@naiya> ty
[19:24] <kookyinc> Simply put, we should focus on the feeling of being alive and being in a dream and unconsciously think of it all the time?
[19:25] <@naiya> Yes, if you want to go that route.
[19:25] <kookyinc> Thanks for the clarification.
[19:25] <@naiya> As has bee said, you can also check out dream yoga to learn more about it.
[19:25] <AspirationRealized> its definitely the most effective
[19:25] <AspirationRealized> all the really really adept dreamers don't even RC
[19:25] <AspirationRealized> this is like the RCless RC
[19:25] <@naiya>
[19:26] <@naiya> Anywho.
[19:26] <AspirationRealized> as has bee? o0
[19:26] <AspirationRealized> oh
[19:26] <AspirationRealized> been
[19:26] <AspirationRealized> sorry
[19:26] <@naiya> Moving on to MILD: Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams
[19:26] <@naiya> We already talked about RCing, so we'll skip that.
[19:26] <@naiya> MILD is always done in the time just before you go to bed.
[19:27] <@naiya> Always try to set aside at least 20 minutes for you to MILD, especially if you do the visualization.
[19:27] <@naiya> MILD, is, IMO, the easiest to learn and the method that requires the least amount of work and commitment
[19:27] <@naiya> Which makes it perfect for beginners.
[19:27] <AspirationRealized> and lazy people. like me
[19:27] <Andra> make that 2
[19:27] <kookyinc> I'm interested
[19:28] <@naiya> Because of that, MILD is often looked down upon, but actually a good 80% or more of my LDs are from MILD.
[19:28] <@naiya> So once you master MILD, you will be able to LD at will.
[19:28] <@naiya> If you do it every night, it can take a few weeks to a few months to master.
[19:28] <@naiya> I have to stress once again that you MUST be as consistent as possible
[19:29] <AspirationRealized> Naiya, does time spent sleeping need to be consistent
[19:29] <@naiya> Learning to MILD is like learning to drive a car--at first you are forcing yourself to go through the motions and it will feel awkward and hard.
[19:29] <AspirationRealized> or the before bed practice?
[19:29] <@naiya> But eventually you will internalize it, and at that point it will get you lucid.
[19:29] <@naiya> just like driving will come without even thinking
[19:29] <james2302> both
[19:29] <atras> so how do we mild
[19:29] <@naiya> The practice before bed needs to be consistent.
[19:30] <Andra> what do you mean by that?
[19:30] <AspirationRealized> but time of night, hours spent sleeping, etc can be erratic?
[19:30] <@naiya> Because that is the actual method. However, MILD and DILD in general do best when we have a relatively stable sleep schedule
[19:30] <AspirationRealized> ohh
[19:30] <AspirationRealized> ok.
[19:30] <@naiya> generally*
[19:30] <james2302> not if you want to WBTB
[19:30] <@naiya> You can combine WBTB with MILD, too
[19:30] <james2302> thats the only exception
[19:31] <@naiya> You don't have to WBTB at the same times, but you want to be consistent in MILDing--so you must try to MILD every time you WBTB or go to sleep at night.
[19:31] <james2302> im too lazy to WBTB
[19:31] <@naiya> Because I wake up at different times naturally every night and it never causes problems
[19:31] <kookyinc> Should one MILD before short naps as well?
[19:31] <atras> wait so if i wann a attempt to WILD WBTB when shud i MILD
[19:31] <@naiya> naps are best for WILD.
[19:32] <@naiya> You can try MILD, though.
[19:32] <@naiya> Atras: if you want to MILD, WBTB and WILD?
[19:32] <Andra> lol
[19:32] <atras> like wake up then WILD
[19:32] <@naiya> you MILD the first time you go to sleep at night, and then do your WILD during the WBTB of your choosing.
[19:32] <atras> ok
[19:32] <james2302> lol its a super lucid
[19:32] <AspirationRealized> this may be off the subject
[19:32] <@naiya>
[19:32] <atras> cuz i am practicing both
[19:32] <AspirationRealized> but why are naps best for WILD?
[19:32] <atras> light sleep
[19:33] <@naiya> Because you're in a light sleep and it's easy to go right into the dream.
[19:33] <AspirationRealized> hm.
[19:33] <@naiya> if you try to MILD during a nap, you'll probably WILD by accident.
[19:33] <AspirationRealized> does REM cycle targeting matter? maybe I should come to WILD class. ignore me, continue
[19:33] <atras> lol
[19:33] <@naiya> REM targeting doesn't matter with MILD
[19:33] <@naiya> that's another reason it's easier
[19:34] <AspirationRealized> well I was referencing WILD, but like I said, I am derailing so place ignore me
[19:34]*** AspirationRealized uses a zipper on his mouth
[19:34] <xergius> ok so 20 minutes before you go to sleep you visualize what you want to dream about? (in MILD)
[19:34] <@naiya> WILD is the other class
[19:34] <@naiya> Yes. OK, so getting into the methods of MILD. There are two main ones we haven't talked about.
[19:34] <@naiya> The first one is using mantras.
[19:35] <@naiya> The most popular mantra is just "I will have a lucid dream tonight"
[19:35] <@naiya> You repeat the manta, verbally or mentally as you fall asleep.
[19:35] <@naiya> You can also write or type the mantra many times before bed.
[19:35] <@naiya> Focus on the mantra, and believe it can happen.
[19:35] <Xqtftqx> Question
[19:35] <@naiya> yup?
[19:36] <Xqtftqx> I should repeat " will have a lucid dream tonight" for 20 minutes?
[19:36]*** Xqtftqx is confused
[19:36] <@naiya> I wouldn't use a timer
[19:36] <james2302> well, its best to repeat it until you fall asleep
[19:36] <@naiya> I would just begin the MILD at least 20 minutes before you need to be asleep.
[19:37] <@naiya> With the mantra, you don't have to spend that much time on it
[19:37] <Xqtftqx> Oh, I understand now. Thank you
[19:37] <@naiya> With the visualization (which I'll get to), you should spend at least 20 minutes though.
[19:37] <@naiya> With MILD, it's very important to keep postive.
[19:37] <@naiya> positive*
[19:38] <Xqtftqx> Ive been hypnotized, i know my mind is a crazy thing I believe anything now xD
[19:38] <@naiya> Just remember that every night is a clean slate--even if you haven't had a lucid dream in X days, you can still have one tonight!
[19:38] <@naiya> Try to believe that you will have a lucid dream as much as possible, be happy and excited that you will be lucid.
[19:38] <atras> hey naiya i know this is kinda off topic but is it a bad idea for me to be trying to learn different tequniques at the same time?
[19:38] <@naiya> OK, so now the visualization--this is what I always use.
[19:39] <@naiya> Atras: you can try different techniques--however--you always want to ADD, not subtract them
[19:39] <atras> okay
[19:39] <@naiya> For example, whatever you do, NEVER do something like trying RCs one day, then trying MILD for 3 days, then only WILD
[19:39] <atras> ok ty
[19:39] <@naiya> Because DILD really depends on you being consistent in your methods and routine.
[19:40] <AspirationRealized> should you try one tech for like... a few weeks. then try another for a few wees?
[19:40] <@naiya> So if you stop doing something or switch around too much, you never give anything a chance to work.
[19:40] <@naiya> A lot of people make that mistake so thank you for bringing it up
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[19:42] <@naiya> Anywho, visualization is my main method.
[19:42] <Mario92> Yes!
[19:42] <Andra> question
[19:42] <@naiya> Andra: yup?
[19:42] <Andra> usually before I fall asleep I imagine I'm in a dream I'd like to have and from time to time remind myself I'm in a dream only I don't do it for long.Is that MILDing?
[19:42] <@naiya> Yeah that is essentially MILD
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[19:43] <Andra> I was doing it without even knowing lol
[19:43] <@naiya> hehehe
[19:43] <@naiya> I was the same way--I learned to do that without knowing, either.
[19:43] <atras> so how do u do MILD naihya
[19:43] <atras> *naiya
[19:44] <@naiya> LaBerge also learned to LD at will using MILD
[19:44] <@naiya> Yeah, getting back to it This is how I do it.
[19:44] <@naiya> I cheat a little bit now, though, haha
[19:44] <@naiya> Basically, I remember my most recent dream.
[19:44] <@naiya> And I imagine myself being back there, only lucid (but with me a lot of times I was already lucid in that dream, hence the cheating)
[19:45] <atras> so thts why good dream recall is good
[19:45] <@naiya> I do this for 20-30 minutes before falling asleep the first time to bed, and maybe 10 minutes for each WBTB.
[19:45] <@naiya> yes
[19:45] <@naiya> using your previous dream is very ideal because you don't have to mentally construct an entire reality.
[19:46] <AspirationRealized> can it be any dream from the past?
[19:46] <AspirationRealized> or does it need to be "fresh"
[19:46] <@naiya> I mean, of course you can daydream a new place and imagine yourself lucid in it, but if you use an actual dream I believe it has a stronger effect.
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[19:46] <@naiya> Yes, it can be any dream from the past--I recommend a recent dream because you're more likely to remember it beeter
[19:46] == mode/#DVA [+y Alex] by irc.dreamviews.com
[19:46] <atras> hey Naiya i have to go
[19:46] <atras> bye everyone
[19:46] <@naiya> Ah, ok, ttyl Atras.
[19:46] <AspirationRealized> seeya
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[19:47] <@naiya> So, to visualize yourself lucid--
[19:47] <@naiya> You have a few things you can do
[19:47] <@naiya> either have yourself practicing dream control and reminding yourself you can because it's a dream
[19:47] <@naiya> Or you can imagine a DC telling you it's a dream, or all DCs periodically saying it's a dream
[19:47] <@naiya> or you can imagine that you just know
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[19:48] <@naiya> The great thing about MILD is, you can do this in your daydreams during the day, too.
[19:48] <GabrielG> Hey guys im back!
[19:48] <Mario92> Welcome back
[19:48] <GabrielG>
[19:48] <@naiya> So that way, you can practice MILD and practice visualizing without having to wait until bedtime.
[19:48] <@naiya> WB
[19:48] <GabrielG> I saw the second shooting star i've ever seen in my life
[19:48] <@naiya> To sum it up, remember to use the same MILD every time.
[19:48] <GabrielG> While in my hot tub
[19:48] <@naiya> So if you choose a mantra, always use the same mantra
[19:48] <Mario92> Okay, I have a question on semantics...if I'm basically doing a VILD before bed, could that be considered a V-MILD?
[19:48] <GabrielG> lol sorry naiya
[19:49] <@naiya> hehe, np xD
[19:49] <GabrielG> Im just excited
[19:49] <@naiya> Mario: Well, yes and no.
[19:49] <@naiya> V-WILD is used to talk about a WILD that specifically uses visualization because the classic WILD does not.
[19:50] <@naiya> But MILD includes using visualization, so the term V-MILD is, while accurate, redundant
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[19:50] <Mario92> Ah, I see. Thanks!
[19:50] <Xqtftqx> Question, Is Visualization better than repetition?
[19:50] <@naiya> np
[19:51] <@naiya> hmm--tough one. No method is really "better" than another. For one person, mantras might work best. For another, visualization and so on.
[19:51] <@naiya> In my personal experience, visualization is easiest and the most effective.
[19:51] <Xqtftqx> i need to have a dream i can actually remember enough to use visualization
[19:52] <@naiya> If you don't have a dream, you can just use your imagination.
[19:52] <Mario92> If I may interject, Xqt-etc, you can use a place outside a dream you know well. Like a happy place or something.
[19:53] <@naiya> Yup that's a good idea.
[19:53] <@naiya> You can use a place IRL that you want to visit.
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[19:53] <kookyinc> I understand that mantras will increase the chances of your mind acting to make one lucid, but how does visualization work?
[19:53] <@naiya> Or an imaginary place--if so, look at pictures or something before you MILD for better results.
[19:54] <kookyinc> Do you end up having the same dream again?
[19:54] <@naiya> Visualization is kind of like doing a practice run for a real lucid dream.
[19:54] <Xqtftqx> I was thinking the same thing ^
[19:54] <@naiya> So after many practice runs, it tricks your mind into getting you lucid in the real dream. Basically.
[19:55] <@naiya> I could get all technical about prospective memory but I don't think that would help. XD
[19:55] <kookyinc> Thanks
[19:55] <Mario92> Kinda like lucid incubation?
[19:55] <@naiya> kook: You might have the same dream, yup
[19:55] <@naiya> Mario: exactly like lucid dream incubation.
[19:55] <@naiya> but you can always change it or teleport later.
[19:55]*** AspirationRealized writes prospective memory in his notes
[19:56] <Sean999> For how long should one MILD before falling asleep? As long as they can?
[19:56] <@naiya> Yah, google it if you're interested. xD
[19:56] <@naiya> About 20-30 minutes.
[19:56] <@naiya> Again, it's different for everyone, but 20 minutes I've found has been the best.
[19:56] <@naiya> Any more time than that never really increased the effectiveness.
[19:56] <Sean999> Thanks! Gives me a target to shoot for
[19:57] <@naiya> Also, more time than that and you'll have a hard time falling asleep.
[19:57] <Mario92> Oh, that is fantastic.
[19:57] <kookyinc> And to so this, one just lays in bed and visualizes the dream?
[19:57] <@naiya> Kook: yup, that's right.
[19:57] <kookyinc> Woah, dyslexia.
[19:57] <james2302> how long should i repeat mantras?
[19:57] <@naiya> MILD is very simple and like I said, one you master it, you will LD at will.
[19:58] <@naiya> Mantras--it varies. Ideally, you lay in bed and repeat the mantra for as long as it takes to fall asleep. Best case scenario it will be the last thought in your mind.
[19:58] <Mario92> Okay, so another question I had...when you MILD, do you create dream plots and let things kind of evolve, or do you repeat the same thing over and over again?
[19:58] <james2302> ok cool, that wont be long lol
[19:58] <@naiya> In reality, when you first practice it may keep you awake because you'll be forceful in doing the mantra. Be gentle and allow yourself to drift off. Even saying it a few times will help.
[19:58] <@naiya> Mario: you can create a whole dream plot, yes
[19:59] <xergius> naiya, how does alcohol affect MILD?
[19:59] <Xqtftqx> lol^
[19:59] <kookyinc> lawl
[19:59] <xergius> haah
[19:59] <@naiya> hehehe, I have a story about that
[19:59] <@naiya> Since we're out of time I'll tell the story, lol.
[19:59] <Mario92> Sweet. Thanks!
[19:59] <@naiya> I have had one drunk lucid, ever.
[20:00] <@naiya> So that should tell you how much drinking hurts LDing.
[20:00] <@naiya> Even though I don't drink too often, it tends to kill my recall and my brain just stops working.
[20:00] <Xqtftqx> and how was it? xD
[20:00] <@naiya> Anywho, in the lucid I was still very much drunk.
[20:00] <@naiya> Well...I got into a flying car that led me to some kind of fashion industry party
[20:00] <xergius> haha
[20:00] <@naiya> someone shoved me into the back room and the models got all catty at me
[20:00] <james2302> lol a drunk lucid
[20:01] <kookyinc> Ow ow!
[20:01] <@naiya> Being drunk and Irish, of course, I demanded a fight
[20:01] <Andra> lol
[20:01] <Mario92> XD
[20:01] <GabrielG> lol
[20:01] <james2302> lmao
[20:01] <@naiya> So we went into the back alley and I was about to kick their asses.
[20:01] <@naiya> And then....I passed out when I threw the first punch
[20:01] <xergius> nice
[20:01] <xergius> you could see yourself passed out, or you don't remember?
[20:01] <@naiya> I woke up (FA) still in the dream, on a couch, with a regular DC glaring at me for causing a scene
[20:01] <@naiya> No, I completely blacked out.
[20:01] <xergius> ahh
[20:02] <kookyinc> I gotta wake up early for work tomorrow. Thanks for the lesson! Pax tecum, fellow scholars.
[20:02] <@naiya> He wouldn't let me off the couch for the remainder of the dream cause I was too drunk. than I woke up for real.
[20:02] <@naiya> ttyl Kook
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[20:02] <xergius> funny dream
[20:02] <@naiya> Yeah, it was a fun experience hehe
[20:02] <@naiya> Also, I didn't wake up hungover!
[20:03] <james2302> well, i gotta go too, bye everyone
[20:03] <xergius> the best part!
[20:03] <Xqtftqx> Haha
[20:03] <@naiya> Dunno how that happened XD
[20:03] <GabrielG> vya
[20:03] <@naiya> Yeah, for the record, technically the lecture is over
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[20:03] <Sean999> Thanks Naiya!
[20:03] <@naiya> Next time we'll cover dream stabilization and dream control.
[20:03] <@naiya> ty sean
[20:03] <Mario92> Carpe noctem, y'all.
[20:04] <Mario92> Thanks Naiya!
[20:04] <Xqtftqx> so naiya, how long does your LD last?
[20:04] <Andra> yep thanks it was very informative
[20:04] <xergius> in your exp. with other LD'rs, have you noticed that a couple nightly drinks affects MILD?
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[20:04] <@naiya> My LDs vary every time.
[20:04] <@naiya> From 10 seconds to an hour or longer.
[20:04] <Xqtftqx> Hm
[20:04] <@naiya> Of course that's based on my subjective perception of the time.
[20:04] <Xqtftqx> Yeah
[20:04] <Xqtftqx> I assume real world time and LD time are different?
[20:05] <Xqtftqx> or feel different
[20:05] <AspirationRealized> very nice lesson, Naiya. I mean that sincerely
[20:05] <@naiya> Xergius: generally, alcohol is bad for MILDing and LDing because it is a depressant. So when I drink, I have less recall and I don't get lucid.
[20:05] <AspirationRealized> you handled my slightly rude methods of learning well
[20:05] <@naiya> ty Aspir
[20:05] <@naiya> According to Laberge, LD time is the same as real time.
[20:05] <Kar> Gonna go now. Awesome class, Naiya!
[20:06] <xergius> thanks naiya, it makes sense =]
[20:06] <@naiya> So it depends on how well you--the dreamer--can tell how much time passes IRL. When lucid you'll tell time the same way.
[20:06] <AspirationRealized> Naiya...
[20:06] <GabrielG> Okay naiya im gonna meditate now
[20:06] <AspirationRealized> you said according to Laberge. tell me what you believe
[20:06] <@naiya> That of course doesn't get into things like time dilation which is something that dreamers like to speculate about.
[20:06] <@naiya> Personally? I've experienced time dilation.
[20:07] <@naiya> So I've had dreams that felt that they lasted days.
[20:07] <GabrielG> I'll read what i've missed of the lecture tomorrpw
[20:07] <@naiya> Or longer.
[20:07] <GabrielG> tomorrow*
[20:07] <AspirationRealized> hm
[20:07] <Andra> that's so cool
[20:07] <AspirationRealized> I would say that...
[20:07] <Kar> Wait a sec. I'm curious about TD too. That's what I do for my games.
[20:07] <@naiya> In my lucid, I tell myself "you have to remember how long this was! This was all real! It all happened!"
[20:07] <AspirationRealized> Laberge is wrong, based on my personal experience
[20:07] <@naiya> Of course.....when I wake....I have no way to know.
[20:07] <GabrielG> Bye guys!
[20:07] <AspirationRealized> I've dozed off, dreamed for say thirty minutes, woke up and only seconds passed
[20:07] <AspirationRealized> I could tell by the song on the radio
[20:07] <@naiya> Well, Aspir, that was simply based on LaBerge's study where he had LDers counting in real time with their eyelids.
[20:08] <AspirationRealized> maybe 10,000 blinks only registered 10 blinks XD
[20:08] <Sean999> I guess it just differs on every occasion
[20:08] <xergius> INCEPTION!
[20:08] <xergius> haah
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[20:08] <@naiya> Hahaha...no it's not like inception lol
[20:09] <xergius> lol, i know.. time goes slower deeper into the dream
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[20:09] <@naiya> Like I said, no one knows how time dilations works for sure, because it is subjective.
[20:09] <xergius> how come the common understanding of dreams is that most only happen for 3 seconds?
[20:10] <Andra> I find that strange
[20:10] <Sean999> That's a common understanding? o.O
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[20:10] <Xqtftqx> Sorry bout that, lappy battery died
[20:10] <@naiya> Dreams usually last about the same time that REM lasts, which can be from a few minutes to more than 30 minutes.
[20:11] <xergius> thats what i've heard many times... from different people.. granted they may be completly miss-informed =]
[20:11] <@naiya> That's the scientific understanding, dunno about the common one :x
[20:11] <@naiya> No offense of course--but the general public has a lot of misconceptions about dreaming.
[20:11] <xergius> yeah, after i started doing more research i found that dream time was based on actual time...
[20:11] <Sean999> Gotta go, dinner
[20:11] <@naiya> part of that comes from our society just not caring much about dreams or teaching about them
[20:11] <Sean999> Thanks again for the lesson, Naiya!
[20:11] <xergius> but before that I assumed most dreams only lasted a very short time
[20:11] <@naiya> ty sean
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[20:12] <@naiya> It depends on the time of night, too--early on, in your first sleep cycles, dreams are very short
[20:12] <@naiya> In the morning, they get longer.
[20:12] <AspirationRealized> Naiya...
[20:12] <@naiya> Hm?
[20:13] <Xqtftqx> naiya, does the method of becoming Lucid make a difference?
[20:13] <@naiya> Hmm that's a tough question.
[20:13] <AspirationRealized> I have this belief that if kids were taught to lucid dream, around when they were taught to brush their teeth, that most people would be lucid fairly easily
[20:13] <@naiya> different methods work for different people.
[20:13] <@naiya> Aspir: I would be inclined to agree
[20:13] <xergius> I love/hate that, because i feel like i hit the deepest REM cycle 30 mins to an hour before i have to wake up for work...
[20:14] <@naiya> Generally, the quality of the lucid will be the same if it's a MILD, or a DILD or whatever.
[20:14] <Xqtftqx> I ask because i see a bunch of people saying they mastered/want to master certain techniques. and i wonder why they would want to master another technique if they already have one that works
[20:14] <@naiya> There DOES tend to be a difference between DILD and WILD sometimes, though.
[20:14] <AspirationRealized> Naiya are you well versed in the way REM cycles work?
[20:14] <AspirationRealized> perhaps I should ask outside of class, since its over
[20:14] <@naiya> I know some about sleep science and the sleep stages, but I'm not an expert.
[20:15] <@naiya> If it's about REm and sleep stages, Google is probably better than me lol.
[20:15] <Xqtftqx> AspirationRealized, i will teach my kid how to lucid when i teach them to brush there teeth
[20:15] <Xqtftqx> dunno when im gonna have kids though xD
[20:15] <xergius> lol
[20:15] <AspirationRealized> its probably a good idea
[20:15] <@naiya> My mom taught me when I was a kid
[20:15] <AspirationRealized> I can't really process your name, so...
[20:15] <@naiya> Xqtftqx -- can you give and example of which techniques?
[20:15] <Andra> you were lucky
[20:15] <AspirationRealized> its difficult to remember it
[20:16] <Xqtftqx> naiya, huh?
[20:16] <Xqtftqx> AspirationRealized, X-q-t then an F then X-q-t backwards
[20:17] <AspirationRealized> x cute
[20:17] <Xqtftqx> lol
[20:17] <AspirationRealized> x cutie*
[20:17] <AspirationRealized> got it. thats your name for me from now on
[20:17] <Xqtftqx> xD
[20:17] <Xqtftqx> naiya, have you ever tried bineural beats?
[20:17] <@naiya> Xqtftqx: you said people were switching techniques? from what to what?
[20:17] <@naiya> yes I've tried them--I find that they do not work well.
[20:18] <Xqtftqx> Oh. I dont know. I havent paid much attention, just something i noticed.
[20:18] <@naiya> For me anyway.
[20:18] <@naiya> Generally they are too distracting for me. I prefer white noise
[20:18] <Xqtftqx> i know the owner of ?Binaural Beats
[20:18] <@naiya> Also, they sometimes come off as "this track gives lucid dreams!" when that's not the case at all.
[20:18] <@naiya> Even with the tracks you still have to learn to LD.
[20:18] <Xqtftqx> so i asked him to set me up with the lucid dream one, just to try it
[20:18] <Andra> and about WILDs...when I started lucid dreaming I tried to Wild the first days and it never worked when I tried,instead I'd have WILDs spontanously
[20:19] <@naiya> Well, no harm in trying it, see if it works for you.
[20:19] <Andra> how did that happen?
[20:19] <@naiya> Andra: my guess is, you weren't relaxing enough when you tried to WILD.
[20:19] <AspirationRealized> well...
[20:19] <AspirationRealized> I'm going to guess that
[20:19] <AspirationRealized> the reason binatural beats don't work is they haven't been proven
[20:20] <@naiya> WILD is pretty difficult to learn, too.
[20:20] <AspirationRealized> and unlike a lot of things, what they claim to do is actually test-able
[20:20] <AspirationRealized> so
[20:20] <AspirationRealized> until they test them, I won't believe them
[20:20] <Xqtftqx> im not saying i believe they will instantly make you lucid, just saying could help a little bit. you know?
[20:20] <AspirationRealized> brainwaves CAN be analyzed
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[20:20] <@naiya> Aspir: there have been studies--they work only as well as white noise. But the studies only used the tracks for helping anxiety, there is no research for the LD inducing tracks at all.
[20:20] <AspirationRealized> so if they work, they should be proven
[20:20] <atras> hey is
[20:20] <atras> there still lecture
[20:20] <@naiya> No, lecture is technically over
[20:20] <AspirationRealized> well... they say that lucid inducing is a certa type of brainwave
[20:21] <AspirationRealized> and that binatural beats inflence brainwaves
[20:21] <@naiya> I usually stay an hour after lecture for questions and chat
[20:21] <Xqtftqx> http://i-dose.us/music1/Lucid-dreams-long.mp3
[20:21] <Xqtftqx> Please do not share that link.
[20:21] <Xqtftqx> My friend still wants to make money, but he said your all free to try it
[20:21] <Andra> well I have to go now
[20:21] <atras> u heard bout getting high off of binaural beats
[20:21] <Andra> thanks again naiya
[20:21] <@naiya> np
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[20:21] <@naiya> getting high from them--also no studies on that, so I couldn't say.
[20:22] <@naiya> I've tried a lot of different tracks personally.
[20:22] <@naiya> They all just annoy the crap out of me. xD;
[20:22] <atras> oh i saw it in the news and i tried it and i felt a light headed
[20:22] <Xqtftqx> lol, i find it funny they charge ~$35 for a 2 track audio file
[20:22] <BagO> I feel that binaural beats are more of just a placebo type thing.
[20:22] <@naiya> yikes, too much $$$
[20:22] <atras> yaa mostly
[20:22] <atras> lol wow
[20:22] <@naiya> IMO they aren't bad or anything and might be helpful
[20:23] <@naiya> but for God's sake don't spend money on them
[20:23] <AspirationRealized> BagO, have you been here the whole time?
[20:23] <atras> i used to try binauarl beats but they never worked for me, however sometimes they give me some pretty intense halucination
[20:23] <xergius> naiya, you LD every night?
[20:23] <@naiya> Pretty much, yeah

[20:23] <atras> thts cool
[20:23] <Kar> Naiya, do you think that it's better to teach a child to LD, or to just tell them that it can be done and let them find their own way?


[20:33] <BagO> What MILD mantra do you find works the best
[20:33] <atras> YouTube - Binaural Brainwaves For Lucid Dreaming Hemi - Sync
[20:33] <atras> its basically binaural beats with a soft voice
[20:33] <atras> saying
[20:33] <@naiya> The best mantra? Shoot, I should have said that earlier, but "I am dreaming"
[20:34] <atras> the next time i am dreaming i will realize i am dreaming
[20:34] <atras> and stuff

the MILD lecture actually helped me
I had a lucid last night followed by a FA in which I immediately became lucid again
also during the dream I was thinking of you Naiya and the second DILD class especially about the part of how one feels in a dream

Originally Posted by Andra

the MILD lecture actually helped me
I had a lucid last night followed by a FA in which I immediately became lucid again
also during the dream I was thinking of you Naiya and the second DILD class especially about the part of how one feels in a dream

So how did it feel? Can you describe your experience as you thought about that?

So, I was paying close attention to where the subject of 'awareness' was talked about. For my job, I have to enter data into a computer program, and I have to constantly double-check myself for the accuracy of the data, but often I have headphones in, listening to talk radio or some music. I understand what Naiya meant by being aware of your surroundings and of yourself, but I feel like this doesn't carry over into my dreams very well. I don't get many chances to use logic or to question if I'm dreaming :/ I just end up going with the flow of the dream. What should I do about this? Does the job I perform daily affect how I perceive reality? Are my attempts at lucid dreaming in vain because I'm never aware in my dreams?

Well it felt a bit odd but I don't really know how to explain...all I knew for sure was that I was happy in a lucid :d

OK guys, the first week was our lectures--this week we'll be concentrating on the assignments.

Please complete all of the assignments by the end of the week in order to receive your badge for completing the class! Be sure to post them in your workbook.

I updated the first post with a link to instructions for a mindfulness meditation in case anyone is having trouble finding one.