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      Quote Originally Posted by Luanne View Post
      That my friend would be you. Cause I expressed my subjective opinion, and explained it once more and you still want to debate. But that's ok, don't get me wrong.
      How do you figure? What, because I don't see a problem with debating the points of one's opinion against another person's opinion?

      I very deliberately stated my reply to you as being "just my opinion" (more than once, actually). Something you neglected to do. My issue was mostly with the condescension being thrown at the people who liked the movie, which I didn't think was warranted (and still don't). If you disagree, then so be it.


      Quote Originally Posted by Luanne
      Yes, that would make me a lot happier! But instead of the second part of your sentence, imagine now if Cameron used his creativity instead! Yeah, it's a lot harder. You seem to limit your criteria by the fact that he wanted it to be a mainstream. I can't respect this. When it comes to art, I express what I feel is missing from my own personal satisfaction. If it shoots for the sky, so be it. There are plenty of movies that I truly love and respect as art. Avatar is not one of them.
      And that's fine. Truly. Since I believe that film is multi-faceted, and that it takes more than an original story and flowery dialogue to categorize a movie as art, I still disagree with you.

      To each, his own.

      Quote Originally Posted by Luanne
      Yes, exactly! But when did I say that background should be flashed out for idiots? I said it should give us just a glance, it should be mind puzzling. I'm sorry if you still don't get what I mean.
      I "got" what you mean, the moment I read it. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I lack understanding. I simply don't agree that all movies have to be mind-puzzling. I don't agree that all characters have to have back-story. It, to me, is not a requirement of good entertainment (or art, necessarily). Yes, if a movie has it, then that's great. I appreciate the attention to detail. But if a villain doesn't even give us a glimpse into his back-story, but does a great job of portraying his persona at present, then it is just as effective, to me. In my opinion, it gives us more to ponder. It leaves more to interpretation.

      That Quaritch was drinking a cup of coffee during the final battle; that his arm was on fire as he climbed into his mech, and he calmly looks over and snuffs it out; the serious, overly-dramatic, quintessentially military tone he took during his address to the other soldiers; to me, all of this gives us glances into what kind of man Quaritch is. And I think it's fun to have a bit of mystery behind characters like that.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut View Post
      How do you figure? What, because I don't see a problem with debating the points of one's opinion against another person's opinion?
      Mhm, in this kind of topics. I don't like to go against another's subjective opinion. But you summed up the difference in our opinions pretty well, this is exactly what I disagree on:

      But if a villain doesn't even give us a glimpse into his back-story, but does a great job of portraying his persona at present, then it is just as effective, to me. In my opinion, it gives us more to ponder. It leaves more to interpretation.

      That Quaritch was drinking a cup of coffee during the final battle; that his arm was on fire as he climbed into his mech, and he calmly looks over and snuffs it out; the serious, overly-dramatic, quintessentially military tone he took during his address to the other soldiers; to me, all of this gives us glances into what kind of man Quaritch is. And I think it's fun to have a bit of mystery behind characters like that.
      To me, it simply isn't done well.
      Come on! What if Martin Luther King said: "I kinda have a dream... nah, I don't wanna talk about it."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Luanne
      EVERY CHARACTER NEEDS A BACK STORY AND REASON TO BREATHE

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      My god, you'd love The Hitcher.

      Quote Originally Posted by Luanne
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      When did I post what you quoted?
      Since your first post on the thread, I just simplified it for you.

      You think the characters are generic, taking away from how epic Avatar could have been. Whereas, it's a brillaint strategy that has worked time and time again, and always will.

      The movie has a large target audience, so making a backstory of how Jack was raped with a chainsaw so vigorously that he became a cripple is going to distance his relation with viewers. There are love scenes, people like love scenes. There is action, people like action. There are amazing visuals, which people also like. The characters are acceptable, and, throughout the movie, I came to like them even more.

      Don't forget that Cameron has stated that Avatar will branch sequels. This will further give more backstory and reason to the characters which you seem to have a problem with.

      As for the mercenaries in general hating the Na'vi, racism and hate have been around for ever. What's so hard to accept about things like this and just move on to enjoy the movie?

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      lol this thread has become a big debate, i don't see it ever getting resolved. it's like the whole debate over god thing in r/s, dont judge me just my opinion!

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      Quote Originally Posted by James2302 View Post
      lol this thread has become a big debate, i don't see it ever getting resolved. it's like the whole debate over god thing in r/s, dont judge me just my opinion!
      I agree. I expressed my opinion which caused a lot of questions, which is fine, and one rude, definitely against the forum rules misquoting on which I don't have any intention replying to.
      Come on! What if Martin Luther King said: "I kinda have a dream... nah, I don't wanna talk about it."

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      I thought it was pretty funny how the robot suits were equipped with big ass hunting knives.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
      I thought it was pretty funny how the robot suits were equipped with big ass hunting knives.
      haha yeah i literally laughed out loud at that point.
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      Just finished my second viewing, and it was even more impressive. I caught a ton more visual detail and was able to take in more of the performances, being less overwhelmed.
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      Cool I have seen it four times so far all in 3D

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      Quote Originally Posted by Leviatahon View Post
      Cool I have seen it four times so far all in 3D
      We have a winner.

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      Winner of what

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      of who has seen it the most lol, although id buy the dvd and watch it again and again.

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      Quote Originally Posted by James2302 View Post
      of who has seen it the most lol, although id buy the dvd and watch it again and again.
      me too lol

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      Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
      I thought it was pretty funny how the robot suits were equipped with big ass hunting knives.
      Really? I thought the hunting knife was the single, best part of the mechs even being in the movie.

      I mean, mechs have been using cutting tools like swords and whatnot, since the days of Voltron. To me, mechs with blades are as inherently badass as mechs with .50 cal. bullets and/or rocket launchers. Hehe.

      By the way. I just heard that the sex scene was cut from the theatrical release, but will be in the DVD. Though a bit odd to think about, I can't help but wonder what that's going to be like. Lol.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut View Post
      Really? I thought the hunting knife was the single, best part of the mechs even being in the movie.

      I mean, mechs have been using cutting tools like swords and whatnot, since the days of Voltron. To me, mechs with blades are as inherently badass as mechs with .50 cal. bullets and/or rocket launchers. Hehe.
      damn strait

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      Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
      We have a winner.
      Five here.

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      Hey, Check out this new Avatar Featurette on the Apple trailers site:

      http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avatar/hd/

      Just click on 480p, 720p, or 1080p to begin playing it.


      DO NOT WATCH IT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE!!!
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      Quote Originally Posted by James2302 View Post
      dvd
      Anyone who buys this on DVD rather than blu-ray should be ashamed.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Carôusoul View Post
      Anyone who buys this on DVD rather than blu-ray should be ashamed.
      Yeah, I'm gonna be buying a blu-ray player especially for this movie.
      With the detail in this movie, you need the blu-ray version to see it all,
      and to be able to get the nice vibrant colors HD offers.

      It just won't look the same on DVD.

      Seeing as I have a 40" 1080p LCD TV, there's no excuse for me not to
      get the blu-ray version of Avatar.

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      i couldnt get that link to play

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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut View Post
      Really? I thought the hunting knife was the single, best part of the mechs even being in the movie.

      I mean, mechs have been using cutting tools like swords and whatnot, since the days of Voltron. To me, mechs with blades are as inherently badass as mechs with .50 cal. bullets and/or rocket launchers. Hehe.
      well of course it was badass... im not going to disagree with you there.. it just seems so... impractical dont you think?
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      Quote Originally Posted by FluBB View Post
      well of course it was badass... im not going to disagree with you there.. it just seems so... impractical dont you think?
      dude u alwase need a backup for if u run out of bulits or ur gun gets smashed in 2 pices

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      Knives are in no way impractical in any situation. They're a last resort, and every soldier (or mech) should have one. I can't remember seeing if the mech's assault rifles had bayonettes on them, but I'm guessing that they did.

      You've got to remember, the mechs in Avatar were based on humanoid forms, and were very mobile. They were in no way tanks or cars with legs. And because of their anatomy and flexibility, knives were oki-dokey I thought the fight between the mech and Jack was probably the best part in the movie, action wise.

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      dude it had a serated blade as part of the gun Jake used it at the end of the movie to fight with

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      Quote Originally Posted by Leviatahon View Post
      i couldnt get that link to play
      Try downloading it from here:

      http://www.hd-trailers.net/movie/avatar/

      To save to Computer: Right-click on link and click "Save Target As..."

      or "Save Link As" in Firefox.

      You'll probably need VLC Media Player or Quicktime to play it though.

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