Conspiracy theories.

**Bonsay** · 08-08-2010 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Noogah

Don't be stupid. That makes no sense. If there is a good reason to believe something is a conspiracy, come up with a theory. Otherwise, don't. Following your logic, let's set out to prove that every person that dies of heart disease, is actually dying because the government intentionally poisoned them. After all, why not? Let's set out to prove that the Japanese actually bombed Hiroshima, and that the United States actually bombed Perl Harbor. After all, why not? Let's set out to prove that Obama is actually a space alien. After all, why not? Lives are at risk. People have been killed.

Don't be stupid? I'm sorry if I look stupid, it was not my intention. But this part does sort of remind me why I stopped debating you on anything. Hey maybe we should prove that evolution is a conspiracy or at least that the scientists are stupid and you're smart... right? Why not?

Maybe instead of proving that the Japanese bombed Hiroshima, why don't we prove that the Japanese were going to surrender. And that maybe the bombs didn't have to be dropped? But we don't want that to happen! No... all the Americans would be disharted to hear that mass murder might not have been necessary.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Investigate, yes. If the investigations show nothing, and there is nothing that doesn't ultimately add up, quit pursuing it. The deed is done, and, yes. People's feelings will be hurt. Now, I understand that this means nothing to you, but in reality, it does. And, in any case, the conspiracy theory ultimately holds no water anyways.

In one paragraph you piss on me, on the other you agree with me...no comment. I don't know what kind of world you want to live in, but I'd rather have a bunch of people with "hurt feelings" and saved lives than live your fantasy, where nothing is questioned because we might crush somebodies illusions.

Originally Posted by Noogah

It's not something I would "like not to believe". I simply don't believe it. Why? Not because I am in some shocking state of denial, but for the simple reason that the said suspicion is both baseless, and ludicrous... History itself will speak such. People are corrupt, but, if the theory makes no sense, then there is no reason to mark obviously innocent people.

And if you don't care at all, history will repeat itself. And I'm not arguing for 9 11 here. Just "conspiracies in general".

Originally Posted by Noogah

Prove it. You've provided nothing so far that even gave a shred of reason to believe that.

Search it yourself. But you won't. You'd rather declare victory. Anway... the two things I put forth were officially declassified.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Sometimes it's the people who's lives are ruined that you're hurting.

Asking why, for example, Vietnam was necessary or why the US - the best military and intelligence agencies - couldn't do anything on 9 11 probably wouldn't phase either the Vietnamese or 9 11 victims. I'm not advocating that we go and throw bricks at peoples houses because their friends died in the attacks or anything.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I don't explicitly trust the government. I don't explicitly doubt them either. If I worked like you, I would trust no one. Not my friends, relatives, siblings, or even parents. Not a shred.

I don't. They are all after me.

Originally Posted by Noogah

There needs to be a balance between trust and and suspicion. Your problem is you don't want to be led.

Those in power have the duty to "work for the people". As you implied before, this often isn't the case. All I have to do is turn on the TV to see how somebody is protesting because some bureaucracy screwed his life or how some corruption happened here or there. And don't tell me where I'd like to live, because I never said that.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Have you stopped to consider that maybe the reason the world seems so irrational to you is because you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist, and not the other way around?

No, not really. The world is pretty rational, actually. If you are some bad ass elite who gets to play chess with peoples lives. Have you stopped to consider the reality... Why do you think that there is an Al Quaeda? The CIA made them to stop the spread of socialism in Afghanistan. There is no conspiracy here, as I said, just normality, sadly. Do you think the world leaders just sit in a chair and things randomly happen around them? No there are agendas and things happen to fit.

Originally Posted by Noogah

"Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted[citation needed] and the proposals included in the plan were never executed."
This.

Yes sure, "this"...What was executed though, were a bunch of people around the world who didn't fit in the world plan USA had. And that's what I'm talking about. It does fit the official definition of the word conspiracy in the end. At least they never got Castro.